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Post by Bison_69 » Mar 10 2017 12:38am

Hi guys,

I have been really amazed since I discovered all the items available on this website EASTGEM... mostly about the quality and prices.
http://www.eastgem.net/

I have found a bicycle front wheel hub that has 10G X 36holes... the best thing an ebiker ever wanted to adapt to a solid motorcycle 19'' rim.
(no more hassle using washers with the nipple for small spokes gauges)
http://www.eastgem.net/hub.html

I have ordered one front hub and the quality is awesome...

I also found some rare good quality 24'' X 3'' tires (including thick tubes)... which I also ordered and is very happy about it.
http://www.eastgem.net/tire-24x3.html

They have an on-line chat seller (Alex / a devoted and really nice guy) which will help you as much as he can to get you what ever is available among their nice products...

I have been able to obtain stainless steel 10G spokes & nipples set for my 19'' rims.... awesome!.

Those are only a few items among so many to describe... they have complete eBikes solutions, they have really nice frame made with aluminum alloy and some with
carbon fiber... many interesting eBike accessories and so on... it is a must see!...

I know some of you would prefer to pay more and get very high quality parts... but if you are like me and like to save on parts and still get some good quality this is the place.

I forgot... they also have an incredible 3KW mid-drive motor which is perfect for the ebike beginner... (very nice build and good price)
http://www.eastgem.net/m3000.html

I also found that you can use their mobile solar panel to recharge your ebike... really handy...
https://vimeo.com/207626465

EASTGEM is a place that has offer me the chance to overhaul my ebike at a minimum cost and satisfaction...

(Please understand that the seller is in China... so be kind and patient to reach him for any questions... you also can leave your questions in the email box)

I don't have to tell you also that the shipping can be long if you choose the cheapest otpion (like I do)... but if you chat before ordering with the representent (Alex)
you might have the option for faster shipping at extra cost as you wish.


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Post by eflyersteve » Mar 10 2017 12:16pm

It looks like most are carbon fiber frame and swingarm with metal dropouts. 2.2kg for a frameset (Boxon) seems insanely low.

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Post by eyebyesickle » Mar 10 2017 3:01pm

The whole frameset is closer to 7kg... EASTGEM is a good company. I am actually starting to distribute for them now that we got some shipping issues worked out. They are not as experienced when it comes to shipping/distribution, but that is getting worked out through the proper channels! =)

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Post by eflyersteve » Mar 10 2017 3:54pm

eyebyesickle -

That is cool that you will be distributing for them. Some questions:

Will you be able to come close to their direct prices?

Can you comment on the swingarm construction and in particular the dropout area? It looks like a carbon swingarm with aluminum dropout inserts so I'm not sure how well that would handle a 3kw hub.

Why do you think they have such a large discrepancy on the weights? When they mention the full frame weighing 2.2kg, are they just talking about the main part of the frame without any swingarm or bottom bracket?

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Post by eyebyesickle » Mar 10 2017 5:29pm

eflyersteve wrote:eyebyesickle -

That is cool that you will be distributing for them. Some questions:

Will you be able to come close to their direct prices?

Can you comment on the swingarm construction and in particular the dropout area? It looks like a carbon swingarm with aluminum dropout inserts so I'm not sure how well that would handle a 3kw hub.

Why do you think they have such a large discrepancy on the weights? When they mention the full frame weighing 2.2kg, are they just talking about the main part of the frame without any swingarm or bottom bracket?
I do what I can on the prices... alot of prices will be the exact same some are extra... Some of their products that they don't manufacture they overpay on (batteries and hubs) but there are pros and cons everywhere.

The swingarm has a steel insert... has been very reliable for the 3k

the weight discrepancy was the carbon frame stripped down...add in the alum controller cover/heatsink,hardware etc.etc. it climbs rapidly. Still very light though!

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Post by StinkyGoalieGuy » Mar 10 2017 5:58pm

What's the price on the Boxxon frame? I couldn't find it anywhere.

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Post by Bison_69 » Mar 10 2017 7:24pm

Hi StinkyGoalieGuy,

Here is the Eastgem price list for the frames...
http://www.eastgem.net/price-frame.html

Have a good day...
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Post by madin88 » Mar 11 2017 10:30am

good to see another therad about eastgem products

the boxxon middrive with the motor on the swingarm is one of my favourite bikes

I wonder if it can be compared with other popular frames (like the Qulbix or NYX) in terms of stability.
In view of the price they should be at least as good as mentioned frames.

any reviews or tests already done, or is there a link to a topic somewhere?
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Post by spinningmagnets » Mar 11 2017 1:36pm

The Escort frame has a moto seat, and the Boxon has a standard bicycle-seat post. Both have all the same drive system options.

https://www.electricbike.com/denzel-e-bikes/

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Post by eyebyesickle » Mar 11 2017 9:45pm

Good article. I'm OCD about the mid drives on the swinger... but you can fall back on a BBSHD and run it @ 72v w/ an external controller so I was very happy with that style. You can get a bracket for the BBS if you get the hub style swinger... as with all the accessories the price is reasonable... EASTGEM/DENZEL has GREAT STUFF go holler at ALEX or JEAN and get on one! :mrgreen:

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Post by macribs » Mar 12 2017 4:07am

@eyebyeS nice frames. Can you share some more details about the frames? Like what are the average frame thickness? If added layers of carbon for extra strength, where on the frame are extra layers and what is frame thickness on those reinforced places? What about that weight limit per 200 kilo riders. Have Eastgem actually tested frames until frames caved or is that limit a theoretical limit, or one that is gotten from sw simulations?

Those carbon wheels are nice too, any more details about those? Hollow spokes? Wall thickness? Max load? Do you know if Eastgem would possible make carbon fiber motorcycle rims with e-bike hubs to give customer a wider choice of tires? 17"-19" would be great. A lightweight yet grippy and knobby tubeless 4 ply trial tire would be the perfect tire for a carbon fiber rim, and something I would order instantly to improve handling. Wouldn't mind to be able to choose between rear rim for dd hubs or mid drive setups. Imagine a carbon fiber wheel, lightweight tubeless motorcycle/trial tire and how much that light wheel would impact your ride quality, feedback and suspension handling.

Reason I ask is that the frame weights are exceptionally low, yet their max riders weight are high. So I try to wrap my head around how eastgem has achieved that without making frame pig heavy. Really cool product line you got there eyebyeS.
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Post by madin88 » Mar 12 2017 8:39am

macribs wrote:@eyebyeS nice frames. Can you share some more details about the frames? Like what are the average frame thickness? If added layers of carbon for extra strength, where on the frame are extra layers and what is frame thickness on those reinforced places? What about that weight limit per 200 kilo riders. Have Eastgem actually tested frames until frames caved or is that limit a theoretical limit, or one that is gotten from sw simulations?
there are some vids of how eastgem test the strength of theire frames (with stress variation tests).
It seems to be reliable^^
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Post by eyebyesickle » Mar 13 2017 12:46pm

macribs wrote:@eyebyeS nice frames. Can you share some more details about the frames? Like what are the average frame thickness? If added layers of carbon for extra strength, where on the frame are extra layers and what is frame thickness on those reinforced places? What about that weight limit per 200 kilo riders. Have Eastgem actually tested frames until frames caved or is that limit a theoretical limit, or one that is gotten from sw simulations?

Those carbon wheels are nice too, any more details about those? Hollow spokes? Wall thickness? Max load? Do you know if Eastgem would possible make carbon fiber motorcycle rims with e-bike hubs to give customer a wider choice of tires? 17"-19" would be great. A lightweight yet grippy and knobby tubeless 4 ply trial tire would be the perfect tire for a carbon fiber rim, and something I would order instantly to improve handling. Wouldn't mind to be able to choose between rear rim for dd hubs or mid drive setups. Imagine a carbon fiber wheel, lightweight tubeless motorcycle/trial tire and how much that light wheel would impact your ride quality, feedback and suspension handling.

Reason I ask is that the frame weights are exceptionally low, yet their max riders weight are high. So I try to wrap my head around how eastgem has achieved that without making frame pig heavy. Really cool product line you got there eyebyeS.
Thanks I appreciate it, but its all EASTGEM/DENZEL not me. I am really impressed with what they are doing. I had been watching them for a while and liked what I saw, but now - I truly feel they are at that point as a company. That point, being a good one, ha. Anyway now that we got shipping sorted, it is time to get these things out to people... some great options they have. Took months of me pestering and then we tried my shipping agent... routes changed and to-the-door-delivery then wasn't an option for my usual shipping agent... but now its all sorted!

As usual, you have some very good questions =P. I only know so much about the wheelset, but as with the frames themselves - they are plenty strong - your max load is going to depend on your tires which typically I see around 200kg... the warranty is unreal at 10 years... I mean you could fit some different tires on it... but obviously there is only so many options that will fit this exact size optimally. Me personally, I recommend the carbon wheelset on street only, with street tires only... that's just me personally, Alex or anyone at EASTGEM may differ in opinion... I have had a bad experience with solid wheels...(not from eastgem) not that you want to thrash on the nice expensive wheelset, but the mention of different tires prompted me to mention that. Yeah you can get internal hub wheelset, or solid for mid drives... you could also get anything made (wider/moto rim etc etc) but that obviously would be more expensive... as far as I know, there are not more wheelsets in design now, but he is cranking out products, so you never know. The junior moto frame man... you gotta check it out.

I will get back to you on the rest of the questions but I am fairly certain they took em to failure, or ridiculously high impact... A safe margin to where we feel comfortable with the tires being the max load 'canary'. They are very thorough over there. Located in China, but other than that, lacks similarities with most Chinese companies I have done business with - in a good way. No offense to anyone, no offense to anyone - pros and cons people - business is business =) ehehe

also, to be clear... once again - this is about EASTGEM, not me - I am just a petty lil third party that wants to help get these things out to the people. I just could've help but to keep my mouth shut in this thread though =) ha
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Post by Bison_69 » Mar 14 2017 8:49am

EASTGEM has also some really nice accessories which are rarely seen on other bikes...

I have watched many of theirs videos and seen some really interesting options for eBikers...

Such as this nice rear LED bar system:
Eastgem Break Light.jpg
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Video: (where the item was seen)
https://vimeo.com/205523146
http://www.eastgem.net/rear-lamp.html

Also a mini Horn... which you know is so handy during a ride.
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Video: (where the item was seen)
https://vimeo.com/205007028

And a safety Lock with a carrying case... just great.
Eastgem Lock.jpg
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Video: (where the item was seen)
https://vimeo.com/193149397

Those are only a few items available on special order when you ask to Alex on-line chat (or any Eastgem dealers) and
always at incredible affordable prices...

So if you are curious visit EASTGEM and you be will surprise about what you can find...
http://www.eastgem.net/
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Post by rustycar » May 06 2017 4:19am

Waiting for delivery of the Sparta 3000W, should be here next week. Good company to do business with.
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Post by torker » May 06 2017 8:27am

Rustycar.. Looks like the 48v mid drive is 2700 dollars.. how much for 3000 watt hub drive?
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Post by skeetab5780 » May 06 2017 10:20am

Ive been waiting 45 days for a motor from them now...he responds when i email him but he still cannot send me a US tracking number at this point I think they may not even be sending anything and are just taking my money and waiting for the file a claim grace period to be over so its too late to get a refund.

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Post by macribs » May 06 2017 12:12pm

What shipping did you choose? If you got by sea then anywhere from 1,5 month to 3 months is expected. Us tracking will not be possible before parcel is reached US territory.

Some shipping companies take on various small cargo that they won't release before a standard container i filled. And that will add to sea fare itself. Check with the seller what way of shipping was selected as 45 days can be rather normal.

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Post by eyebyesickle » May 06 2017 2:34pm

skeetab5780 wrote:Ive been waiting 45 days for a motor from them now...he responds when i email him but he still cannot send me a US tracking number at this point I think they may not even be sending anything and are just taking my money and waiting for the file a claim grace period to be over so its too late to get a refund.
Are you talking to Jean or Alex? What type of shipping was specified? Seems like something is missing here. They have had shipping issues in the past but the main issue was that they could only offer reliable sea shipping... They would always advise the customer if the situation however, and are always very ethical in my experience. They do not make motors or batteries however, but if there was a third party delay I would think they would have advised...

Could you elaborate on the situation at all?

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Post by skeetab5780 » May 08 2017 9:17am

Yes I talked to alex a few times. He has sent me a china post tracking with everything in Chinese saying it left on 4/9 from China. I have not tried to google translate it. The first motor I order from them only took one week and arrived Via FedEx ground and I was amazed.

This one now being 45 days since the order and im just worried.

Like I said he is responsive and does not ignore me, I am just letting it be known here about the lead time. He said he would give me a refund if I wanted but id have to pay for the motor to be shipped back to them after it does come in.

I told him I ordered the motor so obviously I want it...I guess now its just a waiting game.

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Post by macribs » May 08 2017 12:52pm

Don't know what to say really. If you pay for express shipping you can get your stuff from China in 5 days to 3 weeks most of the time. If you choose economic shipping AKA by sea of course you got to expect longer delivery times. And for bulky & heavy items like motors etc rarely it will pay off to go express shipping as it might double (or more) the initial cost of the ordered goods.

And to top it all up sometimes there are issues beyond control of the shipping company. Could be a shipmen or even a whole ship is held back due to paper misshaps, or custom or even a terminal or harbor being to busy so some will have to wait. The harbor authorities makes the call if things get backed up, and all the shipping companies can do is to follow along.

Then there could be issues on the other side as well, when reaching your shore. Again terminal could be packed, or custom might hold back some or all cargo for full on search. Then when cargo is finally released you will get your tracking number and can follow the parcel on US ground.

To be honest it is not much seller can do about it, sometimes a shipment flows on a wave and things go super smooth other times things will take longer. Especially for goods shipped by sea.

For others that will be ordering from China, just worth keeping in mind when ordering. Place the order so early in your planning/building that you can live with max shipping time 2-3+ months without holding up the rest of your build.

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Post by skeetab5780 » May 19 2017 9:57am

Over 50 days still no motor...these guys are real "gems"

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Post by eyebyesickle » May 22 2017 12:30pm

skeetab5780 wrote:Over 50 days still no motor...these guys are real "gems"
Yeah... China Post can be huge delays... I don't know if you thought it was fedex, or what was discussed... but unless that was a misunderstanding - then that's shipping for ya... sometimes it's like that. Definitely sucks...

I was talking to Jean of EASTGEM last night about this thread... and about business in general... they are really good people over there... my personal recommendation is to buy parts and frames from them express, they are they best. For full builds, sea shipping, no problem. Anything custom or express for big items... we will discuss. For Motors, and Batteries, if you already have a source, it may be best to stick with that. This isn't always a perfect solution for some people, who prefer plug and play, etc... so sometimes delays, and shipping issues arise. Of course not everyone can order just the frame and the parts and order compatible motor and battery and have easy assembly themselves, and some prefer not to.

Anyway, let me outline situation as I have assessed. This is an analysis, I mean no disrespect nor am trying to pilfer sales etc... as I said I was talking to them last night, discussing business. Anyway, let me get to it:

LIMITATIONS:

- NO CUSTOM RETAIL ORDERS (wiring mods, battery mods, NOTHING)
- MOTORS ARE THIRD PARTY, SOMETIMES DELAY, WINDS ARE 4T ONLY
- BATTERIES ARE THIRD PARTY, SOMETIMES SLOW PRODUCTION, MAX CONTINUOUS DISCHARGE IS 50 AMPS
- BIG ITEMS SHIPPED FEDEX/UPS/EXPRESS METHODS ARE UNSTABLE, AND SOMETIMES VERY HIGH PRICES


PROS:

- EXCELLENT PRODUCTS
- ECELLENT PRICES
- EXCELLENT COMMUNICATION
- REASONABLE SEA SHIPPING, AND SMALL ITEMS EXPRESS SHIPPING


WHERE I COME IN:

-INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING AGENTS AND ROUTES IN PLACE WITH RELIABLE EXPRESS SHIPPING - AND EXPERIENCE
-CUSTOM BATTERIES UP TO 100 AMP CONTINUOUS DISCHARGE 10% CHEAPER THAN ANYWHERE
-MOTORS WITH 3T WINDS ALSO VERY FAIRLY PRICED
-FULL CUSTOM ORDERS IN A MONTH

I only encourage anyone to do business with east gem, but if you want a whole build shipped quick, want a motor wind that isn't 4T, and quick, want a battery with a discharge over 50amp continuous, or custom connectors or wiring at all, then you might want to call me =)

Ok ok ok, I said it! =)

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Post by skeetab5780 » May 24 2017 8:09am

Motor finally came in! Just so everyone knows I just posted here to keep this documented. Like I said they were good with responses during this process.

I just found it odd that the first one I ordered took under 10 days and this one 55days...either way it made it safely to me

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Post by macribs » May 24 2017 10:09am

Happy to hear it is all OK.

Well that is international shipping for you, and overseas specific. Sometimes one gets lucky other times not so much.
If your first order was a bulky motor I would say you must have been really lucky to receive it in 10 days. Too fast for sea, so must have somehow been shipped express via air. A 15 kilo hubmotor in a wooden crate is expensive as express, because they usually charge you for weight and volume, so you where lucky first time and second time was more what is worst case for sea.

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