Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike group buy EU

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Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike group buy EU

Post by Allex » Aug 25 2017 6:47am

***This Group buy is now closed***


Will start a possible group buy here for “Light Bee”
Original thread with info:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 28&t=89902

See attached PDF

Battery is made of 18650 Panasonic PF cells
"48v is 140 cells 25ah 1300wh"
Should be 14s10p and would make it 140 cells 29Ah, maybe some typo from them?

"60v is 176 cells 32ah 1900wh"
Should be 16s11p and would make it 176cells 31,9Ah

Prices are not set but this is what we have for now:
The 48v bike is 2000USD and the 60v is 2350 USD for a sample
Bike comes with 5A charger
You can choose to upgrade to a 10A charger for about 70USD

Please use the Google sheet link below to put your name and rest of the info so we know the amount of ppl interested.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Post by Joachim » Aug 25 2017 8:08am

wheel size 17 19 inch?
How looks the battery box and can you take the battery easy of the motorbike?
I like to buy exl battery and charger...maby more volts and a bigger rear chainring improve power and speed,dont know the controller setup?

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Post by Allex » Aug 25 2017 8:57am

You cannot buy with things left out, they only sell complete bike.
Battery is probably interchangeable.
Controller handles up to 70V
Moto rim rear and MTB in front, see size in PDF.

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Post by macribs » Aug 25 2017 11:19am

I misseed the spreadsheet :)
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Post by SlowCo » Aug 25 2017 11:20am

Now I'm getting really interested as this would (hopefully) mean we can help each other out when there are problems with the "Light Bee". As I'm still a n00b at this that would be reassuring. I have never participated in a group buy so would like to know more how that works. At this moment I only see the pricing in the Google document as it would be if I ordered one directly from the factory to my door myself. Is it so that the pricing will drop with more people participating? I take it that shipping all of them together to Sweden first will be a lot less costly per unit than one at a time. Although shipping them from Sweden individually to other countries within the EU will have to be added again.

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Post by Allex » Aug 25 2017 1:04pm

Shipping one unit to you by Air is 720USD, from the factory that is. Price in the Google at 200USD/pcs is just an estimate if we go for the group buy.
Next week I will get the shipping price for ~20pcs. Only then we can know if this is doable. Because Shipping from Sweden to other EU countries is not that cheap.

Best thing here is if we could orginze the shipping to Luxembourg or similar. Because taxes are around 19% instead of 25%

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Post by Joachim » Aug 26 2017 4:18am

the price is low for a good frame&parts...incl a battery -Panasonic 18650pf cells,too good to be thru?

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Post by SlowCo » Aug 26 2017 3:32pm

Joachim wrote:the price is low for a good frame&parts...incl a battery -Panasonic 18650pf cells,too good to be thru?
I agree. It seems a very well engineered bike with good components and a very reasonable price when imported (y)ourself(s). I would expect it to retail at or over €5000,- when bought at a dealer (as soon as there will be some).
Why did you pull out of the group buy, Joachim?

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Post by Rouckie » Aug 27 2017 5:38pm

If shipping would be done to Luxembourg, It is not so far for me to drive.

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Post by brumbrum » Aug 29 2017 2:32am

So once this reaches Sweden and taxes and shipping are accounted for, will there be an extra charge to ship it out across Europe to destination countries and addresses?

It does seem like a lot of bike for the money, maybe too good to be true. The rear shock and front forks will serve very little purpose and will need immediate replacement. But I am very glad to see a company filling a gap in the market with a decent powered mid-drive off-road bike for a very tempting price. I want one for sure
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Post by Allex » Aug 29 2017 4:31am

Correct, there will be an extra charge to ship it out across Europe to destination countries and addresses.
We don't know anything about the suspension, it could be decent.

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Post by brumbrum » Aug 29 2017 6:59am

Translation page for purchase.... https://mytaofocus.com/shop/item.php?id ... 1016202818

60v version is 18500 chinese yuan = £2165.00 GBP for those in the U.K for single purchase ( so much cheaper to do the group buy option with Allex which will be around 1800gbp). Plus you only get a postage cost AFTER paying the full amount of purchase through the website.

***Edited to say that there is a postage calculator on the site. Around 700usd from China to U.K with EMS for single unit***
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Post by MoonBassMan » Sep 02 2017 11:28pm

I'm interested, but is shipping to the US an option?

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Post by Hardergamer » Sep 03 2017 7:36am

Same bike? looks punchy for the rated power. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0iTzzc ... e=youtu.be

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Post by SlowCo » Sep 03 2017 9:16am

Hardergamer wrote:Same bike? looks punchy for the rated power. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0iTzzc ... e=youtu.be
No new info or review unfortunately. EvNerds just made a video composed of some of the already posted videos and photos from Sur-Ron.

I'm still thinking of getting in on the group buy. But I don't know if they will have a CE certification (not a CoC) to be able to import it into the EU. Although it seems very good value for money it would be very expensive to pay around €3500,- and receive nothing...

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Post by madin88 » Sep 03 2017 11:46am

Anyone else noticed that there are two different variants of the rear supension?
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Post by SlowCo » Sep 03 2017 1:01pm

madin88 wrote:Anyone else noticed that there are two different variants of the rear suspension?
Yes the linkage seems to be different. There are more differences like the front fork and rear shock. It would be best to wait until they can sent pictures and specs of the final production bikes.


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Post by Hyena » Sep 06 2017 11:08pm

I've asked for detailed pics of the final production version before my sample ships out so I'll post those when I get it
www.HyenaElectricBikes.com
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Post by litespeed » Sep 07 2017 6:26am

Hyena,

Have you already paid? First online purchase with a new company always makes me a bit gun shy......

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Post by Hyena » Sep 07 2017 11:16pm

Not yet, still waiting for more final production pics, and I've also requested a video which should ease some of the concerns you mention.
I think they've certainly gone beyond vaporware, and the scale they're doing stuff from the supplied pics seems to check out as it all pointing to being more than just a prototype (even if the chick in the picture is on steroids :P )
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Post by Allex » Sep 18 2017 2:42pm

Ok guys getting close to the real orders, get your money ready! Hope the list is still "a go" for those who signed up!

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Post by SlowCo » Sep 18 2017 4:29pm

Allex wrote:Ok guys getting close to the real orders, get your money ready! Hope the list is still "a go" for those who signed up!
I haven't signed up yet. Not only because I'm still not sure I should buy one but also because it's not clear to me who I pay the money to and who is liable if anything goes wrong. Although I think it is a very good price for what you seem to get it's a serious amount of money to lose if it doesn't work out. So will you, Allex, collect all the money and order the bikes? Or do we each separately pay Sur-Ron the money for each bike and will you organize the shipping? Can you please explain this group buy in more detail?
Thanks in advance.

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Post by brumbrum » Sep 18 2017 5:09pm

Any idea how much shipping will be?
My NYX and cromotor build
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My LMX 161 dirt bike build
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Post by Allex » Sep 19 2017 2:37am

I can receive your funds and then forward the money to the factory. It is probably easier for them to receive one amount instead for several from different people.
As for the shipping, I am checking out the dimensions and weight of the crate, will get back to you about the price.

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