[AUSTRALIA] Sur-Ron Light Bee / Fire Fly - Mid drive ebike

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[AUSTRALIA] Sur-Ron Light Bee / Fire Fly - Mid drive ebike

Post by Hyena » Sep 05, 2017 1:49 am

Hey guys,
Allex is organising a group buy of these bikes for Europe, I'm looking to do a group buy for the Aussie market.
You can read his EU thread here: https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=90196

But the bottom line is these are a new, pretty exciting bike out of China from a company call Sur-Ron.
The bike is called Light Bee, which appears to be a literal and incorrect translation of Fire Fly. LOL
I'll translate it again. Line up kids, and feel the sting of the BURNING WASP :lol:

This isn't an e-bicycle, it's an e-moto. It has foot pegs not pedals so you can't ride this around the street and pretend it's a bicycle :P
But you could probably ride it all the other places around local bush land that you can't get away with riding a noisier motorbike ;)
Power is 3kw continuous but seems to burst a fair bit more than that



I'm still finalising details, and production only kicks off today, but I'll update as more info comes to hand.

The base model bike is 48v and costs 2000USD
There's a 60v upgraded model that's 2350 USD. I suspect this is a no brainer upgrade.
Bike comes with 5A charger with a 10A charger being $70 USD.
The battery capacity is just over 30AH so I'd suggest the charger upgrade is a worthwhile one.
If you're impatient you can get one airshipped for $720 USD. Otherwise sea shipping will take around 6-7 weeks but will be MUCH less.
The price isn't finalised at this stage and is pending calculation of fees and charges, and how many people we can divide up these fees.
But approximately we're looking at a per bike cost of :

$3050 AUD (at today's exchange rate) + 10% GST and 5% customs duty = $3507
On top of that would be the actual shipping fee + customs brokerage.
If you want air shipping it'll cost just shy of $1000 so around $4500 in total.
For sea shipping I'm going to throw out a total ballpark figure of $1000 for actual sea shipping charges, port fees, brokerage and local delivery from the shipping depot to me.
Divided between 10 people that only works out about $100 each. If the total charge is only $800 it'll be $80 ea, if it's $1200 it'll be $120 and so on. That's based on 10 people and obviously more people make it cheaper, less make it more expensive.

Ideally we need at least 10 people to make this work but if we get close to that I might get an extra to sell later. I'm sure people will come along after the group buy has closed but at the same time I dont have $20k laying around to stock up on these!
There's always some unexpected added costs but I'm going to go with a ballpark figure of $3750 AUD delivered to Sydney.
It'll probably come in a shade under that, if so great, but if it's $20 more don't chew me out :P
I think SamD is happy to help with Victorian orders - elsewhere I'll look into the cheapest local road freight options.

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Post by Hyena » Sep 06, 2017 9:20 pm

No takers so far ?? I would have thought there'd be alot of interest in these.
I guess the no pedals thing is a deal breaker ?
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Post by Sean9002 » Sep 06, 2017 9:30 pm

Im Keen as, but wont be able to pull the trigger until later in the year =( :oops:
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Post by Hyena » Sep 06, 2017 11:06 pm

Sean9002 wrote:Im Keen as, but wont be able to pull the trigger until later in the year =( :oops:
Are you in a position to put down a chunk of a deposit ? It's going to be a month before they ship out and then another 6 weeks on the water before they arrive so it'll be pretty much the end of the year by the time they land, but I'll need to fix up the actual product cost before they leave China
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Post by Animalector » Sep 07, 2017 9:49 pm

have you considered import legality? what about Infrastructure.gov.au application? I am interested.

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Post by Hyena » Sep 07, 2017 10:50 pm

Yeah I haven't gone into depth with that yet! I need enough people on board to make this work at all before ticking all those boxes. I'm hoping it's just an 'approval to import' given it's not for road use etc.
The other option I'm looking at is importing them as kits that can be assembled locally...
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Post by Animalector » Sep 07, 2017 11:05 pm

There's an application for a non road use vehicle. Have a read of the website.

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Post by Hyena » Sep 07, 2017 11:13 pm

Yep I've just been reading it, thanks! Seems it's in the same category for non-road use or in pieces so either way it's the same process.
It should be just a formality and the fees fairly trivial when split across a few bikes.
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Post by KalSteve » Sep 11, 2017 8:17 pm

I'm very interested. How much are we looking at for deposit and what is the timing on the final payment?

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Post by Hyena » Sep 11, 2017 9:50 pm

I'd need most of the money up front for the actual purchase of the bikes and to get them on the ship. Then in 4-6 weeks the balance would be payable for the local fees, taxes and then onwards shipping from the depot.
So realistically it'd be around 3k up front.
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Post by ridethelightning » Sep 12, 2017 12:23 am

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Post by KalSteve » Sep 13, 2017 10:43 pm

Working on how to get this past the minister for finance and warfare...

Going prospecting the week after next. Maybe find enough to fund the project.

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Post by Sean9002 » Sep 14, 2017 12:54 am

Hyena wrote:
Sean9002 wrote:Im Keen as, but wont be able to pull the trigger until later in the year =( :oops:
Are you in a position to put down a chunk of a deposit ? It's going to be a month before they ship out and then another 6 weeks on the water before they arrive so it'll be pretty much the end of the year by the time they land, but I'll need to fix up the actual product cost before they leave China

As its looking like I wont be in my house before Christmas, I dont have much 'play money' until atleast christmas. I'll just have to play the waiting game otherwise I'd be all over it!
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Post by JuiceMeUp » Sep 25, 2017 4:55 pm

Yes. chalk me up as interested. I suppose money would be required when we reach a critical mass of interest? Can you let us know
In the mean time, will be taking a closer look at their specs

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Post by Hyena » Sep 26, 2017 11:24 pm

OK it's go time.
Surprisingly there's not been alot of interest but we need to finalise this so if you've got the cash now and haven't already PM'd me please do so now or you'll miss out.
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Post by JuiceMeUp » Oct 01, 2017 10:17 pm

I just downloaded the APP for iPhone and had a look at it. Most of it is in Chinese (I'm not bi-lingual)

It appears that these things are GPS enabled. They track their journeys and last recorded point before power off. All this information is uploaded through the App for all to see. EG: There's a fleet of them buzzing around China that can be viewed through the App.
Also looks to have a Geo-fencing function as well as issuing remote commands and log viewing. Um. Yeah......

I can't help but wonder if a DJI engineer was involved in this one.

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Post by Aebrennan » Oct 02, 2017 5:48 am

So have you ordered one?

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Post by Volts » Oct 02, 2017 8:46 am

Yes one of these would be boss, now how do i get the money. Do you think they are going to be a better version of this somewhere down the line, because with 80-100 volts and a slightly wider frame for moto tyres this could replace dirt bikes?

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Post by Aebrennan » Oct 02, 2017 5:51 pm

From Sur-Ron regarding the app

For the APP, it’s like this. For light bee, which are for Chinese market, can insert a SIM card into the bike. And the mobile phone APP can locating the bike through the SIM card. If the bike was stolen, the user can use the APP to locate the bike’s position, and find the bike back. Also, the APP can show the riding route, riders can know which places they ever reached.

But you need to check whether your local mobile network company offer this kind of service. And this moment, all the samples for foreign customers, do not have the APP, if they check with the local mobile network company can do this, then, no problem, we will add the APP for future orders.

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Post by Aebrennan » Oct 10, 2017 5:23 am

From Sur-ron marketing manager

Dear Adam Brennan,

Good day to you!

This morning, I confirmed with our storage. For 60V battery, this moment, is already out of stock. And will wait for one week to come. So, the delivery date will be about Oct. 20-25.

Best regards!

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Post by JuiceMeUp » Oct 18, 2017 4:08 pm

Aebrennan wrote:From Sur-ron marketing manager


This morning, I confirmed with our storage. For 60V battery, this moment, is already out of stock. And will wait for one week to come. So, the delivery date will be about Oct. 20-25.

Best regards!

Thanks Adam.

If you can keep us abreast of communications from the factory

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Post by Aebrennan » Oct 18, 2017 6:49 pm

The comms has slowed dramatically since sending money, but this is also coincidental with a 8 day holiday for new year and a bunch of trade shows.
I suspect the production images we saw was a small batch being assembled for promo and these trade shows.
I think that the Us will have the first bike outside of China hopefully any day now.
I have been told that the order is scheduled in the factory awaiting the 60v batteries and will be shipped out ASAP.
The original est shipping date was 15-20, but then changed to 20-25 October so we will see what happens next week...

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Post by PRW » Oct 19, 2017 4:56 pm

Does anyone know where Jay (Hyena) has disappeared to? I have been trying to contact him, but just no response....

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