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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by robocam » Nov 08 2019 3:41pm

The speed limit varies depending on who you buy it from. Maybe you can ask Frey to see if they can have it programmed to 56mph.
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I've read the bafang M600 is governed at 28 mph and there is no way to override factory lock through the display. Is this accurate?

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Animalector » Nov 08 2019 3:47pm

Yes they are programmed to 45km/h. You cannot adjust the speed limit because it is set in firmware. It won't go much faster than 45km/h anyway. There is not enough power

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Kepler » Nov 08 2019 9:22pm

My experience is that the pedal assist cuts out at 40kph (25mph). It will only go to 45kph (28mph) if you use the throttle. I was thinking it was just my version of the M600 but the Luna X1 boys are reporting the same. At first it was thought that the gearing was the governing factor but this has since been taken out of the equation with many now using a 38 or 40 tooth chainring.

There is also a convoluted speed override that you can do through the control buttons that will give you 45kph through the pedal assist but i have never bothered to try it.

As Animalector said, there really isn't enough power to go much faster then 45kph and even with a 40 tooth chainring, you would be spinning like a mad man to get above 45kph.
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Post by robocam » Nov 08 2019 11:34pm

Actually, it appears they were too quick to assume that a speed limit existed for the pedal assistance. Michael has shown that he can activate the assist as high as 30mph. It seems that people weren't pedaling hard enough.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum/kn ... #post95769

To activate the "override"/boost function, press the + button until the boost icon is displayed (it's a letter B with three lines next to it). Then press and hold the power button.

Here's a chart I made for a 42T front chainring. The cadences at the higher speeds aren't too extreme. I made one for km/h as well. I will install a 42T in mine to confirm fit. I also have a 40T I will test.
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My experience is that the pedal assist cuts out at 40kph (25mph). It will only go to 45kph (28mph) if you use the throttle. I was thinking it was just my version of the M600 but the Luna X1 boys are reporting the same. At first it was thought that the gearing was the governing factor but this has since been taken out of the equation with many now using a 38 or 40 tooth chainring.

There is also a convoluted speed override that you can do through the control buttons that will give you 45kph through the pedal assist but i have never bothered to try it.

As Animalector said, there really isn't enough power to go much faster then 45kph and even with a 40 tooth chainring, you would be spinning like a mad man to get above 45kph.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by brake034 » Nov 19 2019 4:17am

I am getting a M600 soon, it's being packed today.
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Post by tsellers » Nov 19 2019 4:38pm

Took delivery of the bike yesterday. Frey was able to supply me with 3 empty battery cases.

Now I need to make a plan to assess feasibility to build a 52V battery with 21700 cells, and also to make a connection for an external 48V battery pack, which I already have 2 of. For the latter, the plan is to run external wires through an empty battery case and out the port on the right side of the frame and use it to make my connection, which will also keep the mud and debris out of the battery compartment.

I have asked Frey for a wiring diagram for the battery and battery compartment.

Also I have a question with respect to the coax charger port that is on the bike frame. When I test it with a multi meter, it shows a closed circuit between the center pin and the outer barrel, so they have continuity. Would anyone that also has this model be able to tell me if this is how it is supposed to be, or is there a short circuit? I suspected originally that it connects to the 'A' and 'B' pins that are in battery compartment for charging the battery. When I check, there in fact is continuity between all four pins in the battery compartment, as well as both the center pin and outer barrel of the external frame mounted charge port.

Any feedback on this would be appreciated.
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Post by tsellers » Nov 19 2019 9:18pm

Perhaps you can help with this. When I try to install the front wheel using the spacers that were enclosed, the fit does not work. It looks to me that the space between the dropouts on the Yari is 109mm. When I place these spacers on the wheel, their width is about 113mm, so the wheel will not fit between to forks. Can anyone tell by looking at the picture if these match the spacers you had to use for your front axel with the Yari forks? Image
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Post by tsellers » Nov 20 2019 12:24am

I managed to figure out what the problem was, so it's probably worth it to post the solution here as it is possible someone else in future may unbox an M600 bike and have a problematic assembly with the same problem. The picture below shows the right side.

The axel tube was not sticking out far enough on the left side. Using an assortment of nuts, bolts and washers, I had to push the axel tube from the right side to the left side. Then, with another assortment to make up a DIY bearing press, I had to press the bearing in on the right side so that the spacer would seat. Now I can get the wheel onto the fork.

Here is how to tell if you may have this problem. In the picture below, this is the right side. Notice how the axel tube is pushed out and extrudes about 4mm past the bearing race. That is backwards to how it is supposed to be. The axel tube should be sticking out the other side (left) by 4mm, and the bearing on the right side should be recessed by 4mm so that the right side spacer can seat into it. When the bearing is sticking out like in this picture, your cannot press the bearing back into the axel tube (I tried with a home made bearing press and I'm lucky I didn't break something). The axel tube is obviously machined so it stops the bearing.

I got the impression from Frey they tested the bike before shipping. But could not have, because there would be no way they would have got the front wheel onto the bike like this, and axel tubes don't just slide around during shipping. Yeah, so happy to have spent 6 hours just trying to mount my front wheel. Have yet to power it up, hopefully no more surprises.

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Re: Latest FREY M600 2.0 pictures and video

Post by FREYebikes » Nov 20 2019 8:15am

Hi John,

all the components are in standard specs and dimension. at beginning we put on the 2 spacer on the hub not removed, but some customer missed or dropped the spacer when they put on the wheel, that's the reason we removed and put in the carton instead of leave them on hub.
L is for left side and R for right side, they should fit just well if you put them in right position.
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Post by tsellers » Nov 20 2019 11:31am

they should fit just well if you put them in right position.
Thanks, but I think you missed the explanation of what the problem was: IE, they did NOT fit because the axel tube was not positioned properly when sent from the factory.

Just some friendly advice for your production or testing team. It took me 6 hours to get my front wheel on. I did not have a bearing press tool so I had to make one from nuts, bolts and washers. The axel tube was not sticking out far enough on the left side. I had to push the axel tube from the right side to the left side. Then, with another assortment to make up a DIY bearing press, I had to press the bearing in on the right side so that the spacer would seat.

I actually sent the above picture to Frey while the staff were working (we were corresponding back and forth at the time). I think for anyone that is familiar with the spacers and how they mount on the Frey M600, the above picture makes the problem easy to spot. Unfortunately it was not spotted until my spouse noted in one of the pictures that Frey had sent me of the positioning of the spacers that the axel tube on the left side of the example picture was protruding out more than mine was. So, because I am not nearly as smart as my spouse is, I had already spent quite a few hours trying to figure out why I could not press the bearing on the right side further into the axel tube with my DIY bearing press. Once I pushed the axel tube further to the left side, I was then able to push the bearing further back into the tube so that the spacer would then seat correctly.

6 hours is a long time to try and figure out what the problem is just to get a front wheel on the bike, and I'm lucky I did not damage it. I had the impression that this bike was tested before shipment, but it could not have been tested because the front wheel could not be placed on the bike. For the sake of your business and reputation, I'd suggest that you might want to look at your assembly
and QC procedures to try and prevent this sort of mistake from happening in the future, and, if you think that errors like this might happen again, you may want to provide some assembly instructions to accompany the bike.
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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by robocam » Nov 20 2019 11:54pm

I just installed a 42T chainring on my X-1, and I can confirm that the pedal assist on the M600 does not stop at 25mph. In fact, I got it up to 30mph on flat ground using pedal assist (no throttle).

https://youtu.be/amzIyAd5pn8
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My experience is that the pedal assist cuts out at 40kph (25mph). It will only go to 45kph (28mph) if you use the throttle. I was thinking it was just my version of the M600 but the Luna X1 boys are reporting the same. At first it was thought that the gearing was the governing factor but this has since been taken out of the equation with many now using a 38 or 40 tooth chainring...

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Post by robocam » Dec 02 2019 5:27am

I have just confirmed with Frey that you can order the M600 with a 60 km/h (37 mph) speed limit.
Animalector wrote:
Nov 08 2019 3:47pm
Yes they are programmed to 45km/h. You cannot adjust the speed limit because it is set in firmware...

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The FREY ebike group buying program for US customers and 2020 Sea Otter Classic meetup.

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Re: The FREY ebike group buying program for US customers and 2020 Sea Otter Classic meetup.

Post by NoFanBoiz » Dec 02 2019 10:12pm

I would be in, but wrong continent. Australia...

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Post by mlt34 » Dec 03 2019 5:06am

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Map Paddy » Dec 03 2019 6:57am

My controller burnt out after less than 500 km now trying have it replaced by Frey had to bypass battery mount to prove it was controller 3weeks of back and forth to get faulty components replaced really hoping Frey don't try pull a fast one have a 5 grand paper weight after 2 months if they do

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Animalector » Dec 03 2019 4:13pm

are you using a throttle? is it speed limited?

I'm interested to know if it's a failure because it pushing the limits or if it is just a failure.

Thanks

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Map Paddy » Dec 03 2019 6:53pm

I was riding on a trail bike switched off Screen flashed when I restarted it then nothing had to push and wheel bike for about an hour back to where I parked my van its hilly but wasn't been overly aggressive ,so annoying was loving the bike

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Map Paddy » Dec 03 2019 6:55pm

Normal riding in the hills no throttle 160 pound rider.i will update with there solution I still have hope never a problem with my ht 1000 other than hub which they replaced

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Post by litespeed » Dec 03 2019 11:05pm

December is a little to quick for me but if you decide to do a spring buy I may be ready by then..

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Post by formula101 » Dec 19 2019 9:46pm

That's an interesting idea for a group buy, Ivy.

Will Frey have any demo models available to test ride at Sea Otter Classic or other shows in the USA?

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Post by 999zip999 » Dec 26 2019 10:38pm

What are the prices ?

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Post by formula101 » Dec 26 2019 11:40pm

Prices are as listed on Alibaba. However, the shipping charge is $300 vs. $800+ for a single buy.

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Post by Map Paddy » Feb 03 2020 12:50am

They replaced motor controller failed had to send old one back fair play to them

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