Some files* can be found at archive.org:trazor wrote: ↑Aug 06 2018 12:36amAs an example, I'm on a new project and need this https://endless-sphere.com/w/index.php? ... less_Motor
https://endless-sphere.com/w/index.php? ... _chart.jpg
Well, we don't have a replacement for it, and not a lot of people used it, so i wasn't planning on replacing it.
Contains a fair percentage of info, viewable in html format.mark5 wrote: ↑Aug 19 2018 9:57amIn case there was some wiki content that someone wanted to salvage, here's an MS OneDrive link to w.zip (536 files, 3.8MB). It's supposed to contain the latest version of any E-S wiki file that archive.org might have. File structure looks odd to me but it beats having nothing.
Oh, we have backups, it's just that you won't be able to read the data because it's corrupt. I do have a chap helping to work on the problem to get the wiki back up though. Hang in there.trazor wrote: ↑Aug 20 2018 1:19am@neptronix, seems there is some need for the wiki content. Can you put the latest backup of the wiki online? This page describes the proper method https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki.
Sounds good!neptronix wrote: ↑Aug 20 2018 9:18pmOh, we have backups, it's just that you won't be able to read the data because it's corrupt. I do have a chap helping to work on the problem to get the wiki back up though. Hang in there.trazor wrote: ↑Aug 20 2018 1:19am@neptronix, seems there is some need for the wiki content. Can you put the latest backup of the wiki online? This page describes the proper method https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki.
As an IT worker I understand the concept of "scraping", and consider it a method to retrieve information when no cooperation with the publisher exists. Usually is a method that nags web administrators mantaining the site. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_scrapingamberwolf wrote: ↑Aug 21 2018 12:09pmSince it's all right here on the internet, it's already "open".
Anyone can, at any time, download the entire site if they wish, using tools like DTS (download this site), though external stuff like people's videos and pics that members won't attach to their posts may not exist.
The same would be true of the wiki if it were functional enough to be able to run and access.
No one "owns" the content of ES itself, though Grin Tech "owns" the site name / forum.
It happened before with the old VisforVoltage site, the predecessor of this forum. Russian hackers wiped it out and there was no viable backup.trazor wrote: ↑Aug 21 2018 7:24pm
I wonder what can happen if for other technical issues this phpbb system is wiped out. I don't doubt of the technical abilities of the people behind this site and this probably will never happen (but happens sometimes https://threatpost.com/hacker-puts-host ... ss/106761/ ).
I also work in open source, but name a single site that publishes complete backups to the public. I have never heard of such a thing.trazor wrote: ↑Aug 21 2018 8:45amAnyway... I was thinking about this site policy content. What we write here is owned by who? I mean, shouldn't be a great gesture of openess to the EV community to publish daily dumps of the forum, wiki, and any kind of user generated content? This is more a question for the "owner" of ES. I don't know.. maybe I'm too used to the open source world and "publish all on github" attitude of any project. Is ES "for profit", doesn't look so.
I'm happy to adapt if there's something better. If this requires extra effort to implement I'm pledging €10 for a license/developer/whatever. (need to stick to what I replied to the FB group's poll )neptronix wrote: ↑Aug 22 2018 9:26am
I also work in open source, but name a single site that publishes complete backups to the public. I have never heard of such a thing.
Anyway, this would relinquish people's control of their content because anyone could spin up their own ES and run it and claim it's the real one.
Another thing is that a full database backup contains passwords, private messages, email addresses, etc. You can remove this information, but the site will not operate without it. You could polyfill it with false information, but then you wouldn't know who is who in a discussion.
If we had a problem with phpbb i would put everything aside and fix it and/or get other people on the job. phpbb is very well supported. wikimedia... not as much. We have redundant resources to keep phpbb running and secure. We also have 2 layers of backup. And unlike with wiki, problems get noticed in short order, due to the daily use of the site.
The problem with the wiki was has been busted for months at a time and nobody seemed to notice, and our backups were outside of the rotating window by the time it was gone. I started this thread to figure out if it was just troublesome abandonware or not.
We've determined that it's just troublesome.