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Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 06 2018 11:00am
by Warekiwi
Although I access the website regularly and have found it extremely useful as I learn about the technology- I've never used the wiki-- not even sure what it is??

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 06 2018 11:42am
by mark5
trazor wrote:
Aug 06 2018 12:36am
As an example, I'm on a new project and need this https://endless-sphere.com/w/index.php? ... less_Motor

and this

https://endless-sphere.com/w/index.php? ... _chart.jpg
Some files* can be found at archive.org:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140713184 ... less_Motor

Hope this is the troubleshooting chart you wanted.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180101213 ... _chart.jpg

* files they have:
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://e ... re.com/w/*

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 06 2018 4:38pm
by neptronix
trazor wrote:
Aug 06 2018 12:36am
neptronix, what is the plan? if the wiki is gone, can you publish the last backup tarball to the community?
Well, we don't have a replacement for it, and not a lot of people used it, so i wasn't planning on replacing it.
I can give you a zip, but let me warn you..

1) It doesn't 'boot', so the data isn't useful to anyone.
2) the database was already corrupted during upgrades due to a flaw in the mediawiki software, and i manually patched it up just enough to get it working. There are probably other issues i did not find.
3) it was either hacked or killed itself and was causing our server load to be about 30 times what it normally is.
4) You will need a php version @ 7.0.x or below to work with it.
5) It won't upgrade to the newest version with the security patch until you fix what caused #1 and #2.

This is most likely a big job that would require a decent knowledge of SQL and a lot of time. If you want a copy to play with to see if you can restore it on a server of your own, i'm okay with handing out a copy since it doesn't contain sensitive information ( we use a phpbb login plugin ).

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 17 2018 9:13am
by marcexec
That's a bummer - I spent a good bit of time collecting the motor overview data and learned how to make a sortable table in the Wiki.
easily 30 hours - plan was to have a DB with all available motors, similar to the intent of https://www.board-db.org/...

Question is if the effort is pointless or if it was a "critical mass" thing...

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 19 2018 9:57am
by mark5
In case there was some wiki content that someone wanted to salvage, here's an MS OneDrive link to w.zip (536 files, 3.8MB). It's supposed to contain the latest version of any E-S wiki file that archive.org might have. File structure looks odd to me but it beats having nothing.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 19 2018 11:02am
by DrkAngel
mark5 wrote:
Aug 19 2018 9:57am
In case there was some wiki content that someone wanted to salvage, here's an MS OneDrive link to w.zip (536 files, 3.8MB). It's supposed to contain the latest version of any E-S wiki file that archive.org might have. File structure looks odd to me but it beats having nothing.
Contains a fair percentage of info, viewable in html format.
Subdirectories and most pictures are missing.
My early posts, before I knew the "proper" way to build sub directories, seem salvageable.
MeanWell S-150 mods etc. (missing pictures, of course)

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 19 2018 7:21pm
by atlascwm
I just want to put in my word that I thought it was a valuable resource.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 20 2018 1:19am
by trazor
@neptronix, seems there is some need for the wiki content. Can you put the latest backup of the wiki online? This page describes the proper method https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki.

Thanks!

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 20 2018 9:18pm
by neptronix
trazor wrote:
Aug 20 2018 1:19am
@neptronix, seems there is some need for the wiki content. Can you put the latest backup of the wiki online? This page describes the proper method https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki.

Thanks!
Oh, we have backups, it's just that you won't be able to read the data because it's corrupt. I do have a chap helping to work on the problem to get the wiki back up though. Hang in there.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 21 2018 8:45am
by trazor
neptronix wrote:
Aug 20 2018 9:18pm
trazor wrote:
Aug 20 2018 1:19am
@neptronix, seems there is some need for the wiki content. Can you put the latest backup of the wiki online? This page describes the proper method https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki.

Thanks!
Oh, we have backups, it's just that you won't be able to read the data because it's corrupt. I do have a chap helping to work on the problem to get the wiki back up though. Hang in there.
Sounds good!

Anyway... I was thinking about this site policy content. What we write here is owned by who? I mean, shouldn't be a great gesture of openess to the EV community to publish daily dumps of the forum, wiki, and any kind of user generated content? This is more a question for the "owner" of ES. I don't know.. maybe I'm too used to the open source world and "publish all on github" attitude of any project. Is ES "for profit", doesn't look so.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 21 2018 12:09pm
by amberwolf
Since it's all right here on the internet, it's already "open".

Anyone can, at any time, download the entire site if they wish, using tools like DTS (download this site), though external stuff like people's videos and pics that members won't attach to their posts may not exist.

The same would be true of the wiki if it were functional enough to be able to run and access.

No one "owns" the content of ES itself, though Grin Tech "owns" the site name / forum.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 21 2018 7:24pm
by trazor
amberwolf wrote:
Aug 21 2018 12:09pm
Since it's all right here on the internet, it's already "open".

Anyone can, at any time, download the entire site if they wish, using tools like DTS (download this site), though external stuff like people's videos and pics that members won't attach to their posts may not exist.

The same would be true of the wiki if it were functional enough to be able to run and access.

No one "owns" the content of ES itself, though Grin Tech "owns" the site name / forum.
As an IT worker I understand the concept of "scraping", and consider it a method to retrieve information when no cooperation with the publisher exists. Usually is a method that nags web administrators mantaining the site. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_scraping

In this particular thread, we faced the fact that because some technical issues the wiki was gone, making all the content unavailable to whom values it. So, we can say that the community editing the wiki is not sovereign, the value of the system was taken from them.

I wonder what can happen if for other technical issues this phpbb system is wiped out. I don't doubt of the technical abilities of the people behind this site and this probably will never happen (but happens sometimes https://threatpost.com/hacker-puts-host ... ss/106761/ ).
I'm arguing about a political choice. This site look so "not for profit" that openly publishing a dump of the system regularly (to github?) seems so logical to me. That, in fact, will prevent Grin Tech to sell this site as an asset. IIRC Grin Tech brought the site from a guy at some point... maybe that should not happen again. Obviously is a decision of Grin Tech.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 22 2018 8:09am
by fechter
trazor wrote:
Aug 21 2018 7:24pm


I wonder what can happen if for other technical issues this phpbb system is wiped out. I don't doubt of the technical abilities of the people behind this site and this probably will never happen (but happens sometimes https://threatpost.com/hacker-puts-host ... ss/106761/ ).
It happened before with the old VisforVoltage site, the predecessor of this forum. Russian hackers wiped it out and there was no viable backup.

All was lost.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 22 2018 9:26am
by neptronix
trazor wrote:
Aug 21 2018 8:45am
Anyway... I was thinking about this site policy content. What we write here is owned by who? I mean, shouldn't be a great gesture of openess to the EV community to publish daily dumps of the forum, wiki, and any kind of user generated content? This is more a question for the "owner" of ES. I don't know.. maybe I'm too used to the open source world and "publish all on github" attitude of any project. Is ES "for profit", doesn't look so.
I also work in open source, but name a single site that publishes complete backups to the public. I have never heard of such a thing.
Anyway, this would relinquish people's control of their content because anyone could spin up their own ES and run it and claim it's the real one.

Another thing is that a full database backup contains passwords, private messages, email addresses, etc. You can remove this information, but the site will not operate without it. You could polyfill it with false information, but then you wouldn't know who is who in a discussion.

If we had a problem with phpbb i would put everything aside and fix it and/or get other people on the job. phpbb is very well supported. wikimedia... not as much. We have redundant resources to keep phpbb running and secure. We also have 2 layers of backup. And unlike with wiki, problems get noticed in short order, due to the daily use of the site.

The problem with the wiki was has been busted for months at a time and nobody seemed to notice, and our backups were outside of the rotating window by the time it was gone. I started this thread to figure out if it was just troublesome abandonware or not.

We've determined that it's just troublesome. :lol:

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Aug 25 2018 2:23pm
by marcexec
neptronix wrote:
Aug 22 2018 9:26am

I also work in open source, but name a single site that publishes complete backups to the public. I have never heard of such a thing.
Anyway, this would relinquish people's control of their content because anyone could spin up their own ES and run it and claim it's the real one.

Another thing is that a full database backup contains passwords, private messages, email addresses, etc. You can remove this information, but the site will not operate without it. You could polyfill it with false information, but then you wouldn't know who is who in a discussion.

If we had a problem with phpbb i would put everything aside and fix it and/or get other people on the job. phpbb is very well supported. wikimedia... not as much. We have redundant resources to keep phpbb running and secure. We also have 2 layers of backup. And unlike with wiki, problems get noticed in short order, due to the daily use of the site.

The problem with the wiki was has been busted for months at a time and nobody seemed to notice, and our backups were outside of the rotating window by the time it was gone. I started this thread to figure out if it was just troublesome abandonware or not.

We've determined that it's just troublesome. :lol:
I'm happy to adapt if there's something better. If this requires extra effort to implement I'm pledging €10 for a license/developer/whatever. (need to stick to what I replied to the FB group's poll ;))

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Sep 11 2018 2:09pm
by Garen
Atlassian Confluence is one option, and they offer free licenses for open-source or community projects:

https://www.atlassian.com/software/view ... se-request

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Sep 11 2018 2:11pm
by wturber
This forum is owned by Grin Technologies. I don't think Grin or this forum would qualify as being a non-profit.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Sep 12 2018 4:12am
by marcexec
Wouldn't hurt to ask :)
commercial version not really viable as costs explode - there would be an overhead (read: barrier) to maintain a number of editors' accounts :(

Edit: found https://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Co ... MediaWiki/ interesting. Can import but is Java-based :?

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Nov 11 2018 11:58am
by neptronix
Java based.... :cry:

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Jan 07 2019 12:32am
by tomjasz
A mess. When a n00b
I found it hard to use.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Jun 09 2019 8:38pm
by tomjasz
Boss?

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Sep 16 2019 3:11am
by Stanislavchik
Tryed, sometimes.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Sep 21 2019 11:05am
by AngryBob
Have never used it, and likely will not, for several reasons.

Commonly, the explanation of a concept I do not fully understand, involves other concepts I do not fully understand, so not very useful. Also, so very many things are good, or useful, or not, IN SPECIFIC SITUATIONS, and in other situations, very much different.

It is the real-world usage info which is useful. Very often, it is an off-hand comment relating one concept to another being discussed which provides the missing piece.

In short, Wiki definitions are just too limited in scope.

One example - in the last few months, there have been at least two people who have done damage to their battery, due to gaining info in limited scope. They read somewhere that charging to 80% leads to longer battery life. They did NOT get the info that you need to either, a) charge the battery fully on a regular basis, or b) have a BMS that will balance at lower than full voltage.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Sep 21 2019 11:53am
by wturber
AngryBob wrote:
Sep 21 2019 11:05am

One example - in the last few months, there have been at least two people who have done damage to their battery, due to gaining info in limited scope. They read somewhere that charging to 80% leads to longer battery life. They did NOT get the info that you need to either, a) charge the battery fully on a regular basis, or b) have a BMS that will balance at lower than full voltage.
Example of what? A good wiki entry on battery charging would cover those fundamentals. What you described sound more like the answer to a question that does not get a more full and complete explanation and/or review by few others who are appropriately knowledgeable. I don't see how "The read somewhere ... " demonstrates a problem with wikis.

Re: How many of you really use the wiki?

Posted: Sep 21 2019 6:14pm
by AngryBob
It was intended to illustrate how I find many such entries lacking in full and complete details, as these tend to daisy-chain into other areas, with simple definitions not providing a context.

It was more a conceptual thing rather than a concrete example.