EKartGo Project

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Oct 14 2020 11:50am

Sheet dropped off, parts should get cut either tomorrow or early next week by this monster. Can't wait to get soldering on the nickel and getting this pack completed.

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Oct 22 2020 3:58pm

Just picked up the parts - look good. I think the scaling between mm and decimal inches was a hair off, but nothing that it going to cause a problem. Now to get the MOT solder station completed, soldered, and then fire up the KWeld to attach them to the cells.
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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Oct 27 2020 1:05pm

Battery base and holder are complete, other than cutting out the upper right corner. Ice storm today, so that will have to wait a day or two.
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Now to get the nickel strips attached to the copper. Not going as easily as hoped. I'm going to try baking them together instead of MOT soldering.

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 05 2020 12:26pm

WooHoo... Signed up for more details!
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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 05 2020 3:41pm

Requested information and testing for the Peregrine 60 144v motor. Nix the heavy under-powered Motenergy motor series, I'll wait and make 2021 fun with this instead.

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 12 2020 6:49am

Introduction video for my project. More to come!

[youtube]zGnPLBW8xb0[/youtube]
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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 12 2020 8:08am

Planned episodes:

EP01: Intro - Done!
EP02: A Salt and Battery
EP03: BusBar Mania
EP04: Avoiding Wiring Spagetti
EP05: It's all about the BMS
EP06: Charge!
EP07: Merry Christmas
EP08: Batteries Included
EP09: Ground Control to Major Tom
EP10: Velocity Control and Cleanup
EP11: First Spin!
EP12: Up in Smoke

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 16 2020 2:09pm

Episode 2: EKartGo Spreadsheet

This episode shows how to make use of the EKartGo Spreadsheet. Includes selecting a battery runtime, motor choice, and a controller choice to provide resulting battery solutions.

[youtube]xKfQeJxk5RA[/youtube]

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by Upperfoot » Nov 17 2020 11:30am

Brilliant work! I can see you've put a lot of time, effort and passion into this project, the spreadsheet is especially helpful. Loved your video content on youtube as well

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 17 2020 3:11pm

Thanks for your comment! :D

Hopefully it gets better as I go along. There will be much more video from now on.

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 20 2020 8:29pm

If you are using the spreadsheet with lower power motors and cylindrical cells, I would download a new copy. I improved it for these, as before it only used high C test results, which are not as valid for low power motors. This improvement uses the runtime to determine the continuous amperage from test results. I've also added a lower power motor and controller as well.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17zbJZl ... sp=sharing

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by nuxland » Nov 21 2020 6:21am

Pouch AMP20M1HD-A C-rate and max amps are not right in your table :)
Due of that also my 4kwh battery specs are wrong in your excel.
As I know AMP20M1HD-A has 15C or 300A.
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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Nov 22 2020 10:29am

nuxland wrote:
Nov 21 2020 6:21am
Pouch AMP20M1HD-A C-rate and max amps are not right in your table :)

Due of that also my 4kwh battery specs are wrong in your excel.
As I know AMP20M1HD-A has 15C or 300A.
Noted. I don't remember where I originally obtained those values. The site I referenced in the spreadsheet now shows it as:

"Continuous discharge rating: 10C(200A)"
"Nominal capacity: 20Ah"

So... I'll use your input since you actually have used them and have updated the file. :D

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 01 2020 8:26pm

I finally have a useful method (still needs some refinement) to produce bus-bar nickel strip sandwiches for my battery!

Video to follow soon.
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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 02 2020 12:38pm

That had too much flux on it, I want it all removed. I had added water-based flux, but the resin flux from the middle of the solder is what you see. Several posts suggested this, so I ordered some ethanol to dissolve the solder flux quickly.

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by Upperfoot » Dec 02 2020 12:54pm

I wonder if rather than using solder which can be time-consuming, opposed spot welding could be another choice?

Copper sandwiched between nickel could potentially work, as I know that spot welding copper to nickel alone is difficult to get right even with specialist equipment.

I'll do an experiment as I've never really tried this before.

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Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 02 2020 1:36pm

Spot welding... been there, tried that. MAYBE that is possible with a high power spot welder, but defiantly not with a KWeld (it will just timeout at 200ms). The thick copper bus bar absorbs the heat energy too quickly.

Also using a MOT solder station does not work well. For me that was because of the wide surface area and differences in expansion rates. But it is great for any connector you want soldered. However, for large cable crimps I bought a hydraulic crimper and am using that instead.

So shake and bake it is... :D Although a fluxless solder might work better.

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by Upperfoot » Dec 02 2020 4:19pm

hallkbrdz wrote:
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Spot welding... been there, tried that. MAYBE that is possible with a high power spot welder, but defiantly not with a KWeld (it will just timeout at 200ms). The thick copper bus bar absorbs the heat energy too quickly.

Also using a MOT solder station does not work well. For me that was because of the wide surface area and differences in expansion rates. But it is great for any connector you want soldered. However, for large cable crimps I bought a hydraulic crimper and am using that instead.

So shake and bake it is... :D Although a fluxless solder might work better.
Depends how thick your busbar needs to be really, as its all about cross sectional area, most tend to overshoot it with little benefit, and can actually be a hindrance in execution (no ability to spot weld)

With resistance welding there's a few tricks other than parallel welding which most people think is the only way, there's two other methods which don't require as much energy, step and opposed.

https://sunstonewelders.com/resources/c ... e-welding/

Got a question actually, whats the cross sectional area of your bus bar at its thinnest point? And what current are you hoping to push through it?

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 03 2020 10:20am

Using the correct units now...

For the 4x5 bars the square area is 44.7mm, larger than a 1 AWG wire. For the 2x10 bars the current flow is 50.19mm, larger than a 1 AWG wire. For the battery connection bars the square area for that narrow section is 55.27mm, larger than a 1/0 AWG wire (larger mainly to allow for connection losses).

In B&S 206 mode I anticipate about 42 Amps average, 47 peak.
In 100cc TAG mode I anticipate about 96 Amps average, 108 peak.

Of course full-out for a drag race to about 120 MPH - 350 amps!

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 05 2020 5:16am

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 16 2020 11:25pm

Enjoy... more to come as soon as the 3D printed parts arrive.

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Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 17 2020 4:23pm

Teaser for next video...
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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 27 2020 11:35am

I'm STILL waiting on the 3D printed parts to arrive, or even a confirmation email that they have shipped. However the strip copper from Georgia Copper showed up ahead of Christmas so I can get started on the connector strips.

I was hoping to make an upload a video with the new printed parts... but it appears it will be just a bit longer. In the mean time, I think I'll release what I have, which is the new design with a special spoof intro.

https://www.gacopper.com/022-CopperStrap.html

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Post by hallkbrdz » Dec 27 2020 7:32pm

Latest video is now up... enjoy.

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Re: EKartGo Project

Post by hallkbrdz » Jan 08 2021 5:09pm

The good: The 3D printed parts showed up today

The bad: Some are unusable due to layer shifting and sticking to the printbed. Waiting for re-prints.

I should just buy a printer - but... I thought sending the job to someone who does it all the time would be better for the first crack at it. I'll have a video up this weekend, but for now here are a few pictures.
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