Living with a Tesla.

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Living with a Tesla.

Post by Hillhater » Dec 15 2016 5:31pm

A day in the life of a Tesla owner ?....
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Post by liveforphysics » Dec 15 2016 6:18pm

I took a friends Tesla from Santa Cruz to Canada, never had any charging issues (all supercharger, 20-30min fast and no lines) and it was more convenient than any gas car I've road tripped.
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Post by TheBeastie » Dec 16 2016 1:34am

Don't know if folks miss this but Tesla has stopped free charging for new Tesla owners.
https://www.wired.com/2016/11/tesla-gro ... -charging/
At least locally for me it was quite fitting week as it was the same week one of Australias biggest coal power stations would shut down Hazelwood, so local electricity prices will go up. I can see why its just money down the drain for Tesla to provide free power from Melbourne stations when these affluent Tesla owners should have no issues paying for it them selves.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/co ... 3549dda440
Because of the complex tariffs on electricity generators that have emissions their power is the most expensive even though technically it was actually the cheapest to produce. The problem is the money that is sucked out of high emissions electricity to prop up wind turbine energy to make it more affordable disappears once the coal power station actually closes and the only thing thats left is extra expensive electricity.


I keep hearing that Tesla cars are a rare sight in Australia but for me I have internally worked out a consistent rule of thumb formula and that is if I spend more then 30mins walking around my neighborhood I will most certainly see a Tesla either parked somewhere or on the road. This might be because I live in a more affluent area but every time I see people claim expensive electricity does not matter and electric vehicles won't really exist in Australia for a very long time I get annoyed.

And when you consider the fact that in Australia the recent discovery that our cars are far more polluting than previously believed I think at least for the short term coal powered electric cars aren't as a bigger crime than potentially killing EVs all together with over-priced electricity in the first place.
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Post by spinningmagnets » Dec 16 2016 7:32am

Because of the complex tariffs on electricity generators that have emissions their power is the most expensive even though technically it was actually the cheapest to produce. The problem is the money that is sucked out of high emissions electricity to prop up wind turbine energy to make it more affordable disappears once the coal power station actually closes and the only thing that's left is extra expensive electricity
This is something that state and federal governments are wrestling with. Fuel taxes (added to each gallon of gasoline and diesel sold) fund the federal and state highway maintenance and expansion. Hybrids and full-electrics do not pay any fuel taxes, so...how can the gov squeeze their "fair share" out of them?

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Post by Hillhater » Dec 16 2016 4:47pm

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This is something that state and federal governments are wrestling with. Fuel taxes (added to each gallon of gasoline and diesel sold) fund the federal and state highway maintenance and expansion. Hybrids and full-electrics do not pay any fuel taxes, so...how can the gov squeeze their "fair share" out of them?
.....No, they have that all ready figured out in advance...its called road Tolling...Bridges, Tunnels, new roads, Freeways etc.
I ( and most other city dwellers down here), already pay far more in tolls than fuel
That and parking fees and ever increasing annual registration costs, gives mr Gov man a huge sackfull of money :x
In future, GPS tracking linked to a auto tolling system will replace most of these various venicle tax systems.
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Post by Gregory » Dec 17 2016 12:17am

I read today Tesla is starting a $0.40/ minute fee for loitering in the supercharger bay after charge finishes. With a 5minute grace period.

That should clear up queues.

https://electrek.co/2016/12/16/tesla-su ... idle-fees/


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Post by Ykick » Dec 17 2016 12:32am

Gregory wrote:I read today Tesla is starting a $0.40/ minute fee for loitering in the supercharger bay after charge finishes. With a 5minute grace period.

That should clear up queues.

https://electrek.co/2016/12/16/tesla-su ... idle-fees/
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But I liked the idea of auto-parking moving the cars out of the way when finished charging.
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Re: Living with a Tesla.

Post by liveforphysics » Dec 17 2016 3:44am

Gregory wrote:I read today Tesla is starting a $0.40/ minute fee for loitering in the supercharger bay after charge finishes. With a 5minute grace period.

That should clear up queues.

https://electrek.co/2016/12/16/tesla-su ... idle-fees/

Not a bad thing with respect to using the resource optimally.

A little LED that lights green for whichever station is not on the circuit of any cars charging at the time would be excellent as well (they share circuits and drop to half power when another car is charging from it's channel). It's not uncommon to be supercharging and have another Tesla pull in on an otherwise empty set of stations, but they pull into the stall that shares power from the one you're charging from. Just letting the cars auto-pilot park at superchargers seems most simple.
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Post by dingoEsride » Dec 17 2016 5:55am

Hillhater wrote:If she is in SA, she should be using it to power her house ? :lol:
It gets used, somewhat of a pioneer imo..

travel blog of their trip to Broome from Mandurah and back, over 5000 k's round trip

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Post by speedmd » Dec 18 2016 9:19pm

spinningmagnets wrote:
Because of the complex tariffs on electricity generators that have emissions their power is the most expensive even though technically it was actually the cheapest to produce. The problem is the money that is sucked out of high emissions electricity to prop up wind turbine energy to make it more affordable disappears once the coal power station actually closes and the only thing that's left is extra expensive electricity
This is something that state and federal governments are wrestling with. Fuel taxes (added to each gallon of gasoline and diesel sold) fund the federal and state highway maintenance and expansion. Hybrids and full-electrics do not pay any fuel taxes, so...how can the gov squeeze their "fair share" out of them?

I see some taxes added to solar generation in its near future! :shock: http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 77096.html

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Post by craneplaneguy » Dec 19 2016 10:38am

This time of year, I'm a poster child for the utilities as to why they may not like solar.

I'm sucking down power big time this time of year Like right now: 2 or even 3, 750 watt flat panel radiant wall heaters, cyclying off and on (thermo controlled). Plus a 100 watt panel in the bathroom that's mounted right by the toilet, (no thermo, left on all night, it warms the entire small bathroom wonderfully, especially the mass of the toilet, a warm place to go first thing, life is good). A 300 watt panel, left on 24/7 for most of the winter, under the kitchen snack bar. An additional 4,000 watt wall mounted fan forced heater also under the snack bar counter (no matter what, I'm warm while drinking the morning coffee, and getting rid of it.) Then, there's the 5 KW electric boiler in the basement that is timer controlled, most of the winter it works from 5 in the afternoon to 9. In the hangar, I have a newly installed thermo controlled 4 KW wall heater, plus another 4 KW heater up in the shop though only used sparingly when working on a project that involves reaching certain temp.

There's never a time when I'm using these all at once, and I also have 9 hot water solar thermal panels as part of my heating system, but this months elec bill will I'm sure show around a 1200 to 1500 KW consumption. This time of year of course has short days and long nights, so my solar contribution is lessened along with the high consumption. Sure, my 11,800 KWH credit (as shown on my last bill) will "pay" for this months bill, I only need to cough up 5 bucks for the monthly basic connection fee. My utility is largely hydro powered, except for this time of year, when their system is low on water thanks to the winter. So, probably 40 to 60% of the power powering my place is coming from Wyoming coal fired plants. On the other hand, during the summer when I am producing a large surplus INTO their system, it turns out to be quite beneficial to them as summertime loads are their peak loads, not winter. Bottom line is, I have no problem paying 5 bucks a month to use their system as my own personal 100% efficient, infinitely large, maintenance free, battery. After dealing with actual batteries in my off grid system for 28 years, it is great getting RID of them, along with the propane tank. I would not bitch if they jacked my connection rate up a bit, it'd still be a great deal.

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Post by TheBeastie » Dec 20 2016 4:54am

craneplaneguy wrote:This time of year, I'm a poster child for the utilities as to why they may not like solar.
Yeah there are a lot of happy stories out there but a lot of it was built from unviable companies that have gone broke like SunEdison with its $11billion debt..
http://www.wsj.com/articles/sunedison-s ... 1471004122
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunEdison

I was thinking that it must suck being Bill Gates and giving away your $40billion fortune in philanthropy and still be hated by a lot of people because he didn't invest in some particular renewables technology because he didn't think it would scale etc and instead concentrate on gen 4 nuclear or more radical ideas.. I think the actual hate has gotten to him a bit and hes more careful with his words these days.
I was reading this article below where this guy lashes out a Bill Gates because article creator instead believes in a minimized grid with "distributed renewable energy" blah blah and how it works for Sun Edison but I though how fitting that the company he works for is dead.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... ean-energy
To me there seems to be a lot of renewable companies that just want to rip money holes for pressure folks like Bill Gates to just hand over their money without facing the fact their stuff isn't viable..

I like this video of Buffett vs Musk where Elons SolarCity company is loading some folks up with $40k worth of debt to put a massive solar array on their roof knowing that it could be any day/week when the tariffs from the major power generators could be pulled leaving the unsuspecting home solar roof owner stranded with something that will never ever pay for its self.
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016 ... t-vs-musk/
SolarCity is just merely just to brute force money out of people/powercompanies/governments instead of actually being viable them selves not caring what kind of damage they could do to ordinary folks and even trying to use them as a shield to get their own way.
The power companies only care about the power generated via roof solar for about 3 seconds when they pull different sources for the grid on and offline to help smooth out power the rest of the time if they give you money for your solar energy is just to be nice.

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Post by craneplaneguy » Dec 20 2016 9:56am

I try and stay out of the politics of it all, and as long as I can store my excess power in their grid, for a 5 buck monthly connection fee, I'm good! I get people who see my setup for the first time, say something like "So, you think you're going to save the earth or something?" Or, doomsday preppers thinking I'm getting ready for Armageddon, and they want to start a religious rant. Neither, for me and the way I did it and most importantly as long as I have been doing it, it made sense financially.

Being in construction early on, with the boom and bust financial cycles, I liked the idea of in effect, paying off my power bill in advance for years to come, when I had a chunk of cash to blow. Installing it myself, buying quantities, all helped, and an unexpected bonus was I got into the business as a sideline, and thus got my gear at dealer prices! Another 20+ mph windy day here, cloudy though, glad I got the wind turbine putting out 2500 watts all day long!

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Post by speedmd » Dec 20 2016 12:05pm

Another 20+ mph windy day here, cloudy though, glad I got the wind turbine putting out 2500 watts all day long!
Do you have enough wind to add a few more without slowing down the earths rotation any? :lol:

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