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Re: What's more compact then folding bike? - SoloWheel

Post by sk8norcal » Aug 05 2015 1:36am

For Solowheel maker, a patent rights nightmare in China

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-c ... tml#page=1



It's unclear when the Solowheel conquered Beijing.

The personal transport device is a self-balancing electric unicycle with a hubcap-sized wheel and footholds on either side — a sort of Segway but on one wheel and without a handle.

Over the last few years, China's capital is seeing more upright commuters zipping through traffic like minnows among migrating trout. That should be cause for celebration to Shane Chen, a Camas, Wash., businessman who invented the Solowheel in 2010.

But his "dream of creating the simplest mode of transportation meant for everyone" has left Chen, 58, neck-deep in the country's fledgling intellectual property rights system, rife with lawsuits, counter-lawsuits and so many knockoff brands that he's lost count.


"There were a few [knockoffs] in the beginning. Then last year, all of a sudden there were over a hundred," he said. "Then there were 150 of them. Now they're not even copying us — they're copying the copies. And they're selling them worldwide.

"It's unbelievable," he said. "No other countries do this."

China has long been notorious as a hotbed of counterfeit consumer goods, from fake Chateau Lafite wine to fake Ikea stores, and in recent years, the Chinese government has begun an earnest campaign to overhaul its image.

Beijing began encouraging domestic companies to file patents in 2010, and by 2013 — when Chen first brought his Solowheel to China — patent applications had tripled to more than 600,000 a year, more than twice as many as in the U.S.

Last year, authorities opened the country's first intellectual property courts in Beijing, Shanghai and the southern city Guangzhou.


And in April, Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang told a visiting delegation of American executives that "the protection of intellectual property rights plays a vital part in the mainland's efforts to encourage industrial growth."

Yet experts said the law remains incomplete and selectively enforced.

James Zimmerman, chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce in China, said the trade group representing U.S. business interests has a dim view of Chinese efforts to honor intellectual property.

Though most of the chamber's members praised the development of China's intellectual property laws, only 21% of the group's members in the latest annual survey described the enforcement of the laws and regulations as "effective or very effective," he said.

Dan Harris, a Seattle lawyer specializing in Chinese business, said that despite high-profile government crackdowns on some counterfeit products such as DVDs and apparel, the problem's true scope and potential consequences are impossible to gauge.

In some cases, counterfeit products might even be dangerous to consumers.

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Since then, he developed an obsession with how people get around. Besides the Solowheel, Chen also invented a jointed, electric skateboard called the Hovertrax and a waterborne bike-like device he named the Aquaskipper.

Chen's company, Inventist Inc., just north of the Oregon border in Camas, began struggling with Chinese counterfeiters in September 2013, when the Solowheel was featured on a Chinese television show called "Happy Camp."

"There were different waves" of counterfeiters, said Kelvin Lo, a managing director at Invanti, Inventist's Beijing subsidiary. The first were primarily electric bike manufacturers.

"They'd just reverse engineer the thing," he said. "They'd buy it, they disassemble it and they make their own."

Inventist first decided to take its grievances to China's courts. The company sued its two biggest Chinese imitators, AirWheel and IPS. Both companies then countersued, claiming that Inventist's patents were themselves problematic.

"We can sue, but it takes a year to sue, then they start a new company in that time," Chen said. "So basically there's no way we can do anything."

Chen said that Inventist won both cases. AirWheel and IPS declined to comment for this article.

In recent months, Chen has been ensnared in a bizarre dispute involving Segway Inc., the manufacturer of the two-wheeled self-balancing vehicles, and Ninebot, a 3-year-old Beijing company whose flagship product, the Ninebot-E, looks like a pared-down Segway.

On March 31, Ninebot acquired Segway Inc. for an undisclosed sum.

When Chen first read about the acquisition, he was astounded. Segway had been like an ally in his crusade against Chinese counterfeiters. Last fall, it had filed a complaint with U.S. trade authorities alleging that Ninebot and other Chinese firms duplicated the "design and operation" of Segways.

Chen, too, had clashed with Ninebot. A year ago, Ninebot executives flew him to China, gave him a tour of their factory and offered him $5 million for a majority stake in Inventist, he said. After mulling it over for three days, Chen refused.

"They're not like regular businesspeople — they're like gangsters," he said. "They said, 'We're just going to get around you anyway.' They threatened me. It's a different way to talk business. It was kind of scary to work with them."


Two months later, Ninebot unveiled its own self-balancing electric unicycle: a shiny white disc called the Ninebot One.

In an interview, Ninebot Chief Executive Gao Lufeng denied all allegations of intellectual property theft. He then accused Chen of using Segway's intellectual property — its gyroscopic self-balancing technology — to develop the Solowheel.

"Segway didn't file any complaints against Inventist," Gao said. "But that doesn't mean Ninebot will not do the same in the future."

Harris said that the Segway acquisition, and even Inventist's court battles with counterfeiters, may in fact speak to the growing strength of China's intellectual property protections.

"Legitimate Chinese companies don't want to be labeled counterfeiters," he said. "They understand that they need to pay something to use other companies' intellectual property, and they don't want to be sued because they realize they have a lot to lose."



In mid-May, long after Segway put its dispute with Ninebot aside, Chen flew back to Beijing. He had another date in court.



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Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Aug 05 2015 2:23am

as a consumer I've always felt I benefited from "reverse engineering". I see it as building on the past. If there's enough of a market for another producer so be it. Might as well embrace it anyway, the fight against it is like trying to keep people from jumping the border, and with lots of money for the lawyers.

This excerpt you put up shows the farce of patenting. In another post u put up pics showing the different patents held by Segway it seems they have a patent and every possible use of a gyroscope

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Post by sk8norcal » Sep 18 2015 11:34pm

some skill riders here,




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Just regular routine


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Post by tung256 » Sep 21 2015 8:47pm

i feel sorry for SoloWheel. but you know your product is amazing when the chinese make copies of clones of your stuff.

another example is Mobius ActionCam. it's a super tiny 1080p camera that i use as a dashcam in the car. made by a chinese company, other chinese companies make copies of it. so 1 time, i got a copy from ebay for the same price, not cheaper. off course it didnt work and i couldnt get my money back.

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Post by Szogs » Sep 22 2015 4:35pm

Thanks, Tung256. My daughter's been saving for a GoPro (victim to great marketing) and I had never heard of the Mobius. We checked it out and it's great!

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Post by ecycler » Sep 23 2015 9:59am

Yes, the mobius is great. Make sure you check out the extra capabilities by exploring the firmware tweaks that can be done. Way more customizable than a gopro and close to the same quality for a fraction of the price.
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Post by sk8norcal » Dec 03 2015 9:48pm

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Re: What's more compact then folding bike? - SoloWheel

Post by LockH » Feb 26 2016 1:12pm

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Post by ecycler » Feb 26 2016 3:19pm

ecycler wrote:
Szogs wrote:Had a friend with a solowheel clone who got dumped when it braked inexplicably. She's totally lost confidence in the thing.
Yes, I have had that happen a few times where it launched me off and forward, but only one time where I actually hit the ground. When several of the following conditions are met this can/will happen:

1. Batteries are at a low state of charge
2. Going up a hill
3. Going over a large bump
4. It is cold outside
5. You try to accelerate quickly
6. Older or small battery pack
7. You are still learning how to use it and applying very extreme or squirrely control inputs

As you can probably surmise it is caused by an extreme and immediate sag in voltage and the controller just can not generate enough power for the situation resulting in a faceplant. The solution is to understand what can cause it and keep your batteries charged up. Does she have an ultra cheap clone with a very small/shoddy battery pack? That will definitely cause it to happen more as they are not up to the task.
I forgot I made this post a while back... I am tagging out of the electric unicycle game for now. Does anyone want to buy mine cheap? I had my first major dump and lost some skin on my hands. It was the result of conditions:

1, 2, 3, and 4

I should have been able to stay on my feet, but had a huge backpack on with an ebike battery in it that threw my balance off. I am going to stick to the eskateboard for a while as if it ever suffers severe voltage sag it will not dump me forward.
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Re: What's more compact then folding bike? - SoloWheel

Post by leangains » Aug 07 2016 2:16pm

they have newer fast models that hit 40km/h...Gotway/ KIngsong. I owned one for a few months, it was a blast to mess around on. However for commuting I cant even imagine unless you live 1 mile away from destination. One bad fall at 20km/h and I sold mine also.

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Re: What's more compact then folding bike? - SoloWheel

Post by Ianhill » Aug 07 2016 5:35pm

The idea of it makes me cringe i bet many a tooth met the kurb with these, there must be a list of Fatality's.

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