Electric Paraglider + Electric Hanglider

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Dec 26 2011 2:46pm

edit,

old thread on these type of things...

"FLYING with electricity"
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =38&t=3670

Paracell
http://www.paragliderelectric.com

sounds kinda loud...

Jay64 · Post by **Jay64** » Dec 29 2011 3:33pm

They look like they have some pretty nice finish to it, but seems kinda pricey.
Almost $4700 for a 15 kw peak motor assembly?
$4200 for a 51.4v 54ah 10c battery?

Lock · Post by **Lock** » Dec 29 2011 5:03pm

sk8norcal wrote:sounds kinda loud...

Thinkin' most of these folks are using off-the-shelf props "geared" to gas motor RPMs... higher reduction ratio and increasing pitch would cut tip speeds/noise. If most of these eppg developers have a gas motor history they're probably thinking this is "quiet"

L0cK

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Dec 29 2011 7:12pm

Lock wrote: Thinkin' most of these folks are using off-the-shelf props "geared" to gas motor RPMs... higher reduction ratio and increasing pitch would cut tip speeds/noise.

interesting, I have to look into that... don't know much about props...

If most of these eppg developers have a gas motor history they're probably thinking this is "quiet"

true, less vibration also probably...

from that video, they are probably wearing noise canceling headset anways,

the good part is they can just get off the throttle and take off the headset in the air and enjoy the sound of the wind for a while,
bit more a hassle with gas ppg....

Now here's something to consider,
if e-ppg can be superquiet,
I can see e-ppg pilots wanting to flying in non-powered paragliding spots,
chances of that happening in US is probably slim to none,
maybe in Europe.. with less liability issues...

http://usppa.org/Resources/FARs/part103_intro.htm

Jay64 · Post by **Jay64** » Dec 30 2011 2:29pm

Anybody on here do this type of paragliding, even with a gas motor? It looks awesome and I would like to pick someone's brain about getting into it.

Kin · Post by **Kin** » Dec 31 2011 1:45pm

^Curious to hear if there's any response to Jay's question.

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Jan 01 2012 12:01am

best to go check out a ppg school,
and maybe get a tandem ride.
Here's one in Florida,
http://www.planetppg.com/

I flew non-powered hangliders in the mid 90's for about year,
fun experience but the always sinking feeling and getting airsick from circling thermals were the negatives. (also lack of local spots)
My local spot was a short 7 min ride from the top of the mountain, rare thermals due to the inversion layer of the Silicon Valley.

If I do it over again, I would paraglide, carrying that 60lb hanglider around was a pain in the ass.

btw, here's an interesting powered hanglider,
http://mosquitoamerica.com/

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Jan 02 2012 1:43am

sk8norcal wrote: btw, here's an interesting powered hanglider,
http://mosquitoamerica.com/

http://www.flytec.ch
http://www.flytec.ch/en/e-drive/e-drive-products.html

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Jan 02 2012 1:59am

an electric Swift,
Swift is a surface controlled glider with foot launch capability.
http://www.flymanilla.com/Equipment/SWI ... fault.aspx

see also Brightstar Millennium (folds up for transport)
http://www.sonomawings.com/story/mill.html

http://www.icaro2000.com/Products/Swift/Swift.htm

edit:
a slicker version...

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Jan 02 2012 2:32am

old thread on these type of things...

"FLYING with electricity"
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =38&t=3670

parabellum · Post by **parabellum** » Jan 04 2012 1:36am

Have a bunch of friends that are crazy about everything that flies, PPGs as well. They usually fly in remote location not because of "romanticism" expressed in one of the videos, but not to annoy people around. Almost every time they start being noisy in populated area, they end up meeting local police, so to avoid that they fly far from civilization or try to fly very high which isn't funny (you can not feel any speed) and gas/time inefficient the ascending speed is usually low. We are thinking to make electric one, but need some one to take care of all that aero propelling stuff.
Have no hurry, I usually stay down and drink beer, only in for parachute jumping.

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Apr 04 2012 11:07pm

http://www.a-i-r.de/eng/air_03e.php?kat ... 20Technics
http://flying-expert.com/flying-expert/e-lift.html

Dauntless · Post by **Dauntless** » Apr 05 2012 1:35am

parabellum wrote: Almost every time they start being noisy in populated area, they end up meeting local police, so to avoid that they fly far from civilization

In the United States that's just how it's supposed to be. These would be called Ultralights, you only fly those where there's NOBODY around, although people fudge that a bit. No pilots license or airframe certification required if the vehicle itself is under 254 pounds, but people fudge on that, too.

grindz145 · Post by **grindz145** » Apr 05 2012 8:11am

I'm holding out for humanbirdwings...

humanbirdwings.net

pwbset · Post by **pwbset** » Apr 05 2012 12:34pm

Paraglided for many years until an ankle injury in '06 grounded me for awhile. Still think about paragliding almost every day and hope to get back into it someday. If I were to go electric PPG I'd do the Skywalk E-Walk system. Flew a Skywalk Tequila 2 for a long time so am a bit biased towards their products, but they do cool stuff.

http://www.skywalk.info/produkte/e-walk-2/

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Apr 03 2013 1:39am

Green1 eUP ultralight
http://flyeup.wordpress.com/

The 19kw Green1 has a Lipo battery that can initially climb at aprox 500 fpm and can sustain the aircraft at a very smooth and quiet cruise for up to 1 hour with no pollution. Our other battery options can allow for as little as 20 minutes or up to 2 hours power on, which makes the eUP electric propulsion system ideal for self launch motor gliders or local recreational flying. Flight training to UL license will be available at the Freedom Flight Park near Lumby BC starting in April, and many other locations around North America soon.

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Apr 03 2013 1:47am

http://www.e-motor.fr/welcome.php

http://www.electravia.fr/espiderEng.php

http://yuneec.com/paramotor.html

http://eparaglider.com/

Chalo · Post by **Chalo** » Apr 03 2013 2:50am

grindz145 wrote:humanbirdwings.net

See, this is why I waste so much time around here. I get handed stuff like this and it's all worth it. Amazing.

EDIT: Dammit.

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Apr 03 2013 10:14am

got tricked? LOL... that video is so fake..

here's the real one, and its HP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E77j1imdhQ

i have to say when i first saw a rc ornithopter in person, its kinda creepy...
another bird try to interact with it...

Chalo · Post by **Chalo** » Apr 03 2013 1:07pm

Yeah, I found the University of Toronto one in the course of trying to corroborate the hoax one. It's pretty cool and an impressive technical achievement, but it looks about as fun to fly in as all the other human-powered aircraft I've seen-- which is to say, not fun.

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Apr 03 2013 4:55pm

if u want fun, the parabounce with a pedal prop seem pretty cool...
http://wackyboards.blogspot.com/2009/09/parabounce.html

check out the nova light stuff documentary if you havent seen it yet. thumbs up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZjHcjyLprw

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Jun 15 2013 4:05am

http://www.paramotormag.com/2011/06/fly ... roduction/
http://www.flycocoon.com/

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charly electric ascent for pg
http://www.paramotormag.com/2010/11/cha ... he-spring/

http://www.paramotormag.com/2012/07/ele ... g-gliders/

http://www.paramotormag.com/2010/03/raz ... pril-2010/

ePPG trike concept
http://www.yankodesign.com/2011/08/26/l ... on-a-bike/

CLEO PPG , hobbyking motor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVtGs2OkCM

Czech ePPG
http://e-glider.com/en/e-glider-fotogalery.html

https://www.youtube.com/user/lasersaber/videos
http://laserhacker.com/?p=53

https://www.youtube.com/user/mayamikan

https://www.youtube.com/user/wannamakeone/videos

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Jun 23 2013 11:40pm

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/114 ... ng-bicycle
http://www.flybike.co.uk/

not electric, but could use a hub motor kit...

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Jun 26 2013 4:06am

In marginal thermal conditions, use electric power to climb up into the spring thermals and have a good XC training sortie when other HG's and PG's can't stay up. Then fly home headwind on electric power. It takes 10 kW electric motor and 22 Ah LiPo battery capacity. And good old hanggliding flying skills. E-help - mountain launch only.

sk8norcal · Post by **sk8norcal** » Sep 06 2013 6:21pm

http://www.skynch.com/wordpress/

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