Bayliner Conversion

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by tai626 » Oct 28 2020 9:12pm

I think It is easier for you to transitioning from the electric bike to boat. I come from model airplane so it will take me a while to get things figured out in real world.

The thing that worry me the most is the system reliability. I am having redundancy in almost every components. I will be starting a thread to document the project and hopefully getting help along the way.

Please post the progress of your project.

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Nov 16 2020 9:52pm

eastgem replied to me about running the asynchronous motor at 60V and they said , no problem. found a video of the motor on youtube, it looks like a pretty good app

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtCIc6Kpo38

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Nov 23 2020 8:11pm

ive been busy working on the boat, yanked the inboard motor, removed the leg/outdrive and 40 gallon fuel tank. i think i took about 800lbs off it. then i busted 4- 8 foot long x 1inch thick x 27 inch high stringers through the transom into a bulk head 5 feet inside the engine bay which left me with a 3foot fiberglassed positive floatation pod

going in the water today

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the boats sitting 4 inches too high in the water with all the weight loss and extra flotation but thats ok because now im cutting the roof in half and stretching it for solar panels and cutting the upper transom/flooring and pulling it back. i want to get all the topside work done then pull it out in the summer to put the shaft in and spray foam the pod and shape it once i know the waterline

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starting to look at solar mppt
i want to run 17s/60v, pack voltage ranges from 71v to 51v

victron
https://www.victronenergy.com/solar-cha ... ppt-ve.can

and fangpuson
https://www.fangpusun.com/mppt150-45-70

are made in the same factory but only go upto 48v

go to amazon and they have these 48v/60v/72v mmpt

https://www.amazon.ca/Controller-Batter ... B08C7Q7F37

why doesnt Victron do 72v?

for others thinking of doing a cabin cruiser, i follow this guys channel and his 30ft Tolleycraft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYLF5-Q6_g

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Dec 25 2020 10:46pm

i went looking for 72v/dc diesel generators for charging

found a 12kw and 16kw might weigh about 100lbs?

https://www.pmgenerators.com/dcgenerators/

lots of chinese gas

72v/dc-2.5kw gas, 50lbs and 60decibel

https://sdhetian.en.made-in-china.com/p ... rator.html

72v/dc-5kw

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 1edav9e61r

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by markz » Dec 27 2020 10:03pm

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Dec 27 2020 11:03pm

ya i saw that, i put a wanted add on craigslist for broken 30 to 50hp outboards
hoping to find a 40hp merc bigfoot (big prop and 2to1 gearing) to convert with a 10kw water cooled motor :wink:

i got a isuzu 3kc1 30hp diesel with drive from a 35ft sailboat for free, the catch was i had to get it out of the keel without damaging anything. its sitting in my backyard waiting for a rebuild gasket set, had to take it out in pieces :D

solar sucks, atleast up here it does, if i got 4 panels, its only 750 watts for part of the day and wont cut it. 50 years of solar and all theyve accomplished is 22% after all the billions spent on research??? and victron cant do 72V????

so little diesel inboard to get me where i have to go at hull speed and fish all day on electric outboard was where my thinking was heading

its cold and wet up here most of the year, you need heat, batteries and solar wont do it, back to diesel cabin heaters, or small diesel motors with cooling jackets so you can heat the cabin with hot water from the motor, trying to find the right mix

that little diesel generator puts out alot of power

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by markz » Dec 29 2020 12:21am

Solar does suck, especially above the 49th parallel. [url=https://unboundsolar.com/solar-informat ... urs-us-map]If you lived in Cali/NV/TX the Gulf to Fla you'd be good to go!

Diesel Electrics the way to go then you dont have to worry about the sun or clouds or rain or shadows.
I don't mind using fossil fuels for what your doing, its the only way to go if you can find good deals on engines because you can ALWAYS find great deals on boats. I bought mine from Texas and brought it up into Canada.
I would have personally just rebuilt a more powerful (then stock) outboard engine and call it a day, maybe look at different props to see what improvements you get as those boat repair shops would be the place to go.

Your boat looks a tad small if you ask me, but if you got a good deal on it then its better then nothing.

Lots of good info on design, but the motor weight is a good point to.
https://www.glen-l.com/designs/hankinso ... plans.html

Adding length changes things up, plus need naval architect. Better to just buy a longer boat.
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/hull ... ion.23419/

Weight of propulsion system is very important!

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Dec 29 2020 1:51am

it got me to thinking about replacing the alternator with a 72v 2000??? watt alternator for charging the batteries

https://www.pmgenerators.com/permanent- ... ternators/

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by tai626 » Jan 05 2021 12:18am

Happy New Year!

I am following your conversion closely.

Tai

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Jan 05 2021 1:13am

it will be spring til i do much more to it

im looking for a controller that can be interchangeable between ebikes and the boat, waterproof, can handle 10kw max but usually only about 700 watts, can do 3000 watt continuous

a Nucular 12f fits the bill, i think you can also charge the batteries from a solar panel through it, i need to read up on that part of it.

https://nucular.tech/

if victron cant do 72v, i think the nucular can take 48v from solar and boost it up

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » May 01 2021 12:49am

got the ICE motors going
with the yamaha 9.9hp 4 stroke on the back idling and you go in the cabin
everything is vibrating and loud
very annoying
been watching for a 30hp merc bigfoot to convert or a Honda

got a 2006 honda bf25 hp for $50 :D

has a 2.08 to 1 gear ratio
https://marine.honda.com/outboards/comp ... /BF25,BF30

with 10hp and a 4-blade 11.8 x 8 prop spinning at 1500 rpm
the boat can reach 6 knots

they make 10 inch 4-blade props for the honda 25
if you go down 1 inch in diameter
you go up 1.5 to 2 in pitch

so that would be 10x14 4 blade for the honda

this will be a 3000rpm 5kw outboard conversion
heres a prop list

https://www.rubexprops.com/boat-propell ... 250A&ver=a

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » May 01 2021 5:51pm

i didnt even lift the cowl off the motor when i bought it
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kinda feel bad, motor looks like new
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got it off
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the Honda has alot of room and the drive shaft can be coupled direct to the motor whereas Yamahas not so much

i think that motor weighed around 90lbs

it kind of feels like 60lbs with the motor off it now

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by SlowCo » May 02 2021 8:26am

Nice buy!
Now get a QS180 mid motor to go in there 8)

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » May 06 2021 9:14pm

i needed the crankshaft for the spline connector to make an adapter but didnt want to chop this motor up, did a horse trade for a blown block with the crankshaft

but i saw this picture of a 3kw watercooled with internal splines
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the 5kw version, the shaft can be modified
https://goldenmotor.bike/product/48-vol ... id-cooled/
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sent them an email of the honda vertical shaft
https://www.boats.net/product/honda/411 ... 2a6216d007

cant find any specs on what spline honda is
make for a very easy conversion

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golden motors no longer does internal splines on their motor shafts

crankshaft
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i.d.
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5kw motor is 22.2mm keyed shaft
gotta see if it can be machined to fit with a set screw

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » May 07 2021 9:52pm

boat in the marina was getting hauled out and scrapped,
scooped 2-rudders for cheap cheap cheap

ground the anti-foul paint off with a wire wheel and polished them up

the camera couldnt take the picture outside and they look black
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had to take it in the cabin :D
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trying to think of how to do an adapter without paying a machine shop
i can probably buy a 3-d printer for less,
especially if i want to do a couple

went looking at hub kits for props
looks do-able, if you print that plastic piece to match the electric motor shaft
what do you think?
https://www.propellerdepot.com/michigan ... 118-hubkit
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looks like its do-able with a ender 3 pro and nylon/carbon fiber

https://youtu.be/LqhcmCrlx8o?t=132

then couple it to a D7500 kit from east-gem/denzel
6-spline shaft would even the load on a plastic coupler instead of a single key way

http://eastgem.net/d7500-KIT.html

found another deal, was mainly after the strut for a 1 inch shaft, its all older but brand new never used
for the inboard im down to needing the shaft, prop and dripless box
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found a tool for drawing shaft/coupling splines, putting link here for now
https://www.eassistant.eu/fileadmin/dok ... 59800012.1

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Jun 07 2021 5:30pm

i ordered a rbx-a50 hubkit for 20hp Tohatsu prop, looks like that is right spline and diameter
the problem is ill need to hack the rubber off to see if it can be mated to a 3d printed coupler

https://www.go2marine.com/interchangeab ... rs-RBX-A50
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theres also a Yamaha jet pump drive shaft tool i want to find locally to see if the splines match

https://www.watercraftsuperstore.net/ya ... r-500.html
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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Sep 03 2021 1:29pm

the rbx-a50 is no good, its just a brass barrel but it fits the shaft
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Turning Point Masterguard 207 is a fiberglass composite with a brass insert should work with nylon/carbon fiber 3d printed part
the prop sees twice the torque as the motor shaft. should work
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got the da-85 from east gem
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im thinking of getting the gasket and photocopying it into the 3d printer and use carbon fiber to make the adapter plate but for right now, just going to use some aluminum 2x2 and plate. made a pattern with center lines so i can get started fabricating

used 2 15/64 drill bits to hold the paper in the dowel holes and a 3/8 bit as a hole punch
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then transfered the paper to the old motor block to get the center lines
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time to get to work :D

used a grinder to gently cut the composite barely to the brass and a flat head to pop it off
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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Sep 03 2021 6:55pm

went and got a compass and graph paper
transfered the original template to graph and made 5 copies
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use a hole punch
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mark the motor m8 holes
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drill
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perfect fit, need to find countersink m8s tomorrow
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now to do the 2x2s
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i need that gap for the shaft coupling
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now grab that photocopy graph template to drill the 2x2s where i want them

the plate is 6 inches wide, the motor hole was 2 inches but i think i need 7 inch width to bolt the 2x2s to the pan

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Sep 03 2021 9:37pm

only added 1/4 inch per side for 6-1/2", fold on line at 1-1/4 off center
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align center
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punch
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fold it back over on itself and do the bottom
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perfect fit :thumb:
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need to pull the pan and grind some metal off to fit the right 2x2
that will be tomorrow
tonight i need to learn how to cad and slice and print the shaft coupling :lol:

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Sep 03 2021 10:24pm

get some measurements, only need to design 3 patterns

motor shaft coupling with internal gear
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need a middle countersunk hole to screw coupling to motor shaft( why i needed that gap between the shafts)
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and motor shaft
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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Sep 04 2021 5:19pm

it only took 10hrs to figure out how to cad :shock:
its rough but i dont speak freecad
couldnt do circles and cut out
had to do a square, enter 6 then you get six squares
had to make 2 circles at 14mm and 13.9mm to punch out the center hole
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the other 2 sections will be done in 15 minutes now that i know

im hoping you can just print 3 files ontop of each other
this is the middle section to bolt the coupling to the motor shaft
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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Sep 04 2021 6:49pm

third piece
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now to figure out the printer :D

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by markz » Sep 04 2021 7:49pm

Its a cool Bayliner aka money pit
Is that your ride out of the apocalypse when the N'th covid wave comes or you get a divorce and need a place to sleep.

I am actually in the market for a boat myself, but a mini-personal pontoon with a small motor is most likely but it can't be stored easily, store up at the cabin a canoe or pack-raft for fishing. I once saw a guy in a pack-raft floating down the Bow River and he had another pack-raft for his bicycle I am like thats just cool man.

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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by goatman » Sep 04 2021 8:43pm

you will own nothing and you will be happy says KLAUS

i like boats, stayed on one all summer, they rock you to sleep


downloaded cura , got the parts imported, need to figure out how to stack them or just print the 3 files one after the other
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Re: Bayliner Conversion

Post by markz » Sep 04 2021 9:04pm

Yeah its cool man, I remember reading sailing magazines at the library years ago, I loved reading about stories of people sailing the inside passage of Vancouver Island with all the little islands.
Just the docking fee's can add up but theres a wide variety in cost, say False Creek in Vancouver would be quite expensive vs a roping up to a fixed buoy for free or dropping anchor. Sorry I don't know terminology. Biggest problem is the cramped spaces, me being 6'6" tall.
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you will own nothing and you will be happy says KLAUS

i like boats, stayed on one all summer, they rock you to sleep

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