Jet Kayak RC components

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Re: Jet Kayak RC components

Post by Hillhater » Feb 15 2013 7:59pm

mikebikerad wrote: I got one of these http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/stor ... duct=19111 and played with it in the bath tub hooked up direct to a 3'' boat prop and it created a monsoon on 2s! The RPM seem perfect but the cheap 20c Hobbyking cells I was using made the esc cut out after a few seconds. Fun stuff.
How do you figure it was the battery that made the ESC cut out ?..Low voltage ?
Or did the ESC overheat ?
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Post by mikebikerad » Feb 17 2013 1:36am

The 2s pack was sagging to around 5.9x volts when the prop was loading for a few seconds, causing the esc to think it was a low voltage situation. The esc was slightly over ambient temp because I only ran it for a few bursts.

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Post by mikebikerad » Feb 06 2014 5:16pm

Hi All,

Finally completed our work on the updated version of this project. Please shoot me any tech related questions on here! Thanks for checking it out as always ES community!


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Post by dirkdiggler » Feb 09 2014 10:28pm

Looks good. Kind of like the ebike kits that fit the bottom brackets. Great idea to use the fin box. Any thoughts on doing a faster version for shortboards? Could it be retrofitted for a larger motor/prop?
Hope it sells well.

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Post by liveforphysics » Feb 10 2014 12:50am

grindz145 wrote:OK Mr. Tesla...
You know, sending meaningful energy to a boat on water should be way less lossy than a plane, and you can send RF energy to a toy plane in a meaningful enough amount to keep it flying.

From a energy usage perspective it would be more lossy than a wire obviously, but actually possible to achieve, perhaps even in remotely practical way/cost with CREEs new SiC RF powerfets IMHO. :-).
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Post by liveforphysics » Feb 10 2014 1:01am

Fantastic video! In SC, we have an absurd surfing population with myself among it. I want to see what your motor does when mounted to a modern fiberglass (reinforced) board with one of my local surfing pros on it.

Does it provide more thrust than a human paddler can burst? I think it could be a clip-in attachment to a board that gives you a serious wave catching advantage. People practically battle for waves these days with hundreds of surfers on each prime break.

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Post by mikebikerad » Feb 10 2014 2:36pm

@dirtdiggler Thanks!

We are staying out of the shortboard market for the time being, I have too many surf friends who don't want to see these in the lineup......but want to use them for cruising, fishing, and general water fun. That being said, we have already made some progress on preparing a faster 2-3kw brushless gear reduction version of the ElectraFin, which we don't see as a mass market product, but part of our product offering for people that will pay a premium and have a need for such fun!

The ElectraFin is sort of like the Bafang BBS02 bottom bracket drive of the electric watersports market.... simple, low cost, efficient, and easy install (but ours installs in 1 minute vs 20!)

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Post by mikebikerad » Feb 10 2014 2:44pm

@liveforphysics: ElectraFin would get you some serious enemies at Steamer probabaly! It feels like about double the thrust a surfer puts down when charging to catch a wave. If we do decide to offer a surf focused package we could use one of the folding props we have to reduce drag once inside. Ill send you a P.M now :twisted:

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Post by sk8norcal » Feb 10 2014 3:14pm

there is already WaveJet for catching waves, what happed to those guys? i wonder how many units they actually sold...

saw same idea before for SUP
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Post by mikebikerad » Feb 10 2014 4:01pm

@sk8norcal That was our thought as well, Wavejet's look killer and they have put in a lot of work to streamlining the product, webpage, marketing, etc but it seems like their target market of surfers is difficult to capture and can be somewhat temperamental around the theme of electrically propelling yourself past the competition and stealing waves but using a wavejet is probably a lot like e-bike riding on a bike path.....as long as you are respectful everyone gets along :mrgreen:

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Post by dirkdiggler » Feb 10 2014 9:19pm

I'm in Utah so, not going to snake anyone in the lineup. I know of a few companies producing both gas and electric shortboards, but they come with a price. Being on a DIY forum, explains either my cheapness or the mindset of I can make that myself for half the price. I'd personally rather pay a bit extra to have everything work correctly and look professionally done. Like your BMS and waterproofing. I don't know if you saw the waterwolf surfboard, but they also have an open prop similar to your setup, but with a 5kw? motor or so. I was going to try and use a jetdrive setup for my DIY board, but it seems that prop drive must pass the mustard and not be as dangerous as I think. It would be simpler to build around a prop driven board. Did you ever get anywhere near the prop falling off the board while testing? Any advice on props if I want to setup a shortboard using an 80/100 motor on 12s? Also if I remember right you were using an exposed motor underwater - that could have been someone else - did you ever end up with issues due to the water?

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Post by mikebikerad » Feb 23 2014 12:30am

@dirtdiggler The out runner lasted fine for a few underwater runs in fresh water, but I would think it would get ruined very quickly in a few salt water runs!

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Post by dirkdiggler » Mar 06 2014 12:25am

I'm strictly in freshwater, so it might be easier on the motor. Long term, I think you'd better enclose it. Any recommendations on props if I use the 80-100 motor? I'm still antsy about an open prop, so definitely no metal blades.

Since this is ES, if I did purchase the electra fin and did a few of the ES tricks, ie over-volted, new controller, would I get enough rpms to hit the 20mph mark? Hopefully that keeps things vague enough. How fast are you going on 2-3kw?

Also congrats on making your goal on Indiegogo.

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Post by mikebikerad » Mar 06 2014 7:09pm

@dirtdiggler Lots of options on props, might be best to reference the thread about prop sizing in the boat thread.

Electrafin is designed with some safety margins, and we would definitely not warranty any mods, that being said, we expect the ES type folks to have fun with any products they have in their garages. The 20mph mark is definitely not possible unless you were going down a waterfall!

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Post by trav » May 16 2014 5:29pm

The music in your video cracks me up!! Props for building an rc kayak.
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Post by mikebikerad » Nov 17 2014 8:40pm

New vid showing some of the new features we added over the past 6 months:

We just made another change to the winding for a bit more speed and had the manufacturer pack as much copper in as would fit. Pretty fun and really reliable now. To conquer the challenges of wireless communication on the water we added a pretty significant antenna that sits inside the plastic enclosure, but outside of the aluminum motor controller housing. Thanks for checking it out.

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