The Perfect Storm

Get real world experience and user feedback on the electric bicycle products.
Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » Apr 03, 2017 9:35 am

When it comes to range, this bike will stomp the shit out of 99% bike all eBikes in a contest of both distance, and speed. It can run 25 mph for over 40 miles straight.

Image

torker
1 MW
1 MW
Posts: 1653
Joined: Oct 16, 2008 8:46 pm
Location: Udall, Ks.

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by torker » Apr 03, 2017 8:23 pm

Warren is the 1 % er :D
Dave When I die I want to slide in sideways yelling WooHoo what a ride !

Giant Rincon w rear 9C 6*10 10s Lipo 30+ amps
Specialized FSR Comp 9C 6*10 15s x 50A 3300 W :)
http://s18.photobucket.com/user/rolinfu ... t=3&page=1

User avatar
chas58
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 816
Joined: Mar 19, 2013 4:05 pm
Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by chas58 » Apr 04, 2017 12:02 pm

Theodore Voltaire wrote:I decided to dump the rear rack and install new fenders. These are Electra alloy fenders
I'm loving the look of those fenders, Theo!
25^3 bike: 25 lbs, 25 mph, 25 mile range.
Road and Mountain Bike Cute Q100 builds:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =3&t=49691

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » Apr 04, 2017 5:47 pm

I made this bike for my best friend. The fenders are special order from Passion eBike. Fenders are steel

Image

The fenders are from Electra Bicycles. They're made from alloy

Image

User avatar
OptimusPrime
10 W
10 W
Posts: 66
Joined: Feb 13, 2016 8:03 pm
Location: Washington Crossing, Pennsylvania

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by OptimusPrime » May 07, 2017 5:47 pm

So you replaced every part that makes it an ebike- motor, controller, battery, and then added a derailleur and gears threw away the rack and installed fenders from an Electra and a different seat and you contend that it is a great bike! Are you kidding? The only thing left is the frame! :lol:

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » May 07, 2017 6:24 pm

OptimusPrime wrote:So you replaced every part that makes it an ebike- motor, controller, battery, and then added a derailleur and gears threw away the rack and installed fenders from an Electra and a different seat and you contend that it is a great bike! Are you kidding? The only thing left is the frame! :lol:
It's all completely stock officer.

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » May 07, 2017 6:30 pm

Looks like I'm already obsolete. People are now buying 60v kits, which includes a controller, battery, and LCD, and they go 38 mph without pedaling.

User avatar
OptimusPrime
10 W
10 W
Posts: 66
Joined: Feb 13, 2016 8:03 pm
Location: Washington Crossing, Pennsylvania

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by OptimusPrime » May 07, 2017 10:46 pm

Theodore Voltaire wrote:
It's all completely stock officer.

:lol:

User avatar
LockH
100 GW
100 GW
Posts: 14733
Joined: Jul 09, 2013 11:06 pm
Location: Ummm.. Started out in Victoria BC Canada, then started to move around... Oh oh.

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by LockH » May 07, 2017 11:40 pm

Can note re these Sondors bikes... Number One topic in forums seems to be "upgrades" and "add ons"... These bikes, at X prices as supplied may be "incomplete".

But, carry on... :)
ES changed my life (for the waaaaay better).

Eff. June, 2014 Phoenix Ebike Promotions

(Current ride? High speed lawn chair.)
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... =3&t=57408

Phoenix Ebike Promotions conversion kit (work in progress. More drink holders, etc etc)
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 15&t=60564

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » May 08, 2017 12:33 am

LockH wrote:Can note re these Sondors bikes... Number One topic in forums seems to be "upgrades" and "add ons"... These bikes, at X prices as supplied may be "incomplete".

But, carry on... :)
I don't consider a Sondors incomplete, because the bike comes fully functional out of the box. All the modifications I did to my bike would have to be considered elective. This isn't unusual in the bike world, Harley Davidson has a 1000 page catalog full of aftermarket performance parts for their bikes too, and as popular as Harley's are that doesn't seem like a bad thing.

What separates a Sondors from most other eBikes is the availability of aftermarket parts designed specifically for Sondors, and amount of enthusiasm owners have for buying them.

User avatar
OptimusPrime
10 W
10 W
Posts: 66
Joined: Feb 13, 2016 8:03 pm
Location: Washington Crossing, Pennsylvania

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by OptimusPrime » May 08, 2017 6:31 am

Well putting out a substandard bike and convincing many to buy it just creates a secondary market for others to fill with upgrade parts. The fact remains that you yourself have replaced the motor, controller, and battery with upgraded parts that just shows that the original ebike was wholly inadequate. Yes I know it worked as an ebike out of the box but that in itself is not the standard for a great bike. There seems to be a certain cult mentality surrounding this bike that defies logic.

User avatar
LockH
100 GW
100 GW
Posts: 14733
Joined: Jul 09, 2013 11:06 pm
Location: Ummm.. Started out in Victoria BC Canada, then started to move around... Oh oh.

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by LockH » May 08, 2017 9:17 am

^^ :) Still kinda partial to the European products... "Swiss clocks"... "German" cars... "Italian" clothes... And I do expect these to be more... "spendy" to buy (and maintain) as "better" designed and built. These daze... Buy Cheap! When it breaks, just throw it out and buy new! I'm more a Tool Guy... Knowing I can buy "generic" parts from a local bike shop. :)
ES changed my life (for the waaaaay better).

Eff. June, 2014 Phoenix Ebike Promotions

(Current ride? High speed lawn chair.)
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... =3&t=57408

Phoenix Ebike Promotions conversion kit (work in progress. More drink holders, etc etc)
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 15&t=60564

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » May 08, 2017 9:41 am

OptimusPrime wrote:Well putting out a substandard bike and convincing many to buy it just creates a secondary market for others to fill with upgrade parts. The fact remains that you yourself have replaced the motor, controller, and battery with upgraded parts that just shows that the original ebike was wholly inadequate. Yes I know it worked as an ebike out of the box but that in itself is not the standard for a great bike. There seems to be a certain cult mentality surrounding this bike that defies logic.
You really have little understanding of what's really going on in Storm world. If it was like you think there would be hundreds, if not thousands of unhappy owners, but it's actually quite the opposite. It's pretty hard to find an unhappy Storm owner.

There are many thousands of owners that don't ever do anything to their bikes. There's also hundreds of owners such as myself that have spent their whole life turning any bike they own into their own idea of the perfect bike. That's a big part of the fun of owning a bike for a lot of people, believe it or not.

Right now I have about $2000 in my bike, and that's really not much for a bike that runs, and looks as good as mine does.

User avatar
OptimusPrime
10 W
10 W
Posts: 66
Joined: Feb 13, 2016 8:03 pm
Location: Washington Crossing, Pennsylvania

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by OptimusPrime » May 08, 2017 12:36 pm

I get it that you like to tinker and mod your bike, me too. But my point is that you could have started with a bare frame and not had to throw away he rest of the bike!

Enjoy the KoolAid! Peace out.

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » May 08, 2017 5:42 pm

OptimusPrime wrote:I get it that you like to tinker and mod your bike, me too. But my point is that you could have started with a bare frame and not had to throw away he rest of the bike!

Enjoy the KoolAid! Peace out.
Just out of curiosity, may I see a picture of your bike so I'll know what I'm missing out on?

User avatar
motomech
1 GW
1 GW
Posts: 3033
Joined: Sep 11, 2010 12:21 am
Location: Tucson Az.

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by motomech » May 09, 2017 1:16 am

OptimusPrime wrote:I get it that you like to tinker and mod your bike, me too. But my point is that you could have started with a bare frame and not had to throw away he rest of the bike!

Enjoy the KoolAid! Peace out.
I've got more than $2000 in my "scratch built" bike.
But it's still less expensive than Motorcycles, ATV's, etc. And easier on my body.
I like "tinkering w/ my ebike and I'm at the stage in my life where the cost in a non-issue. If I was into pinching pennies, I would have built a gas-powered Spooky.
And I don't throw away my replaced parts. I resell them or give them to the kid down the street.
"Peace out"??
Are you stuck in the '60's?
Motomech

'03 Rocky Mountain Edge 2WD 260 Q100H frt and Ezee V1 rear 2 Elifebike 20A & 25A 9-FET controllers 12S/20Ah Multistar Lipo rear 5Ah Turnigy frt Luna Cyclops Extra lite Alex 24DM rims, Crazy Bobs run ghetto tubeless. 25 mph. Mean Well HLG-320H-54A
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... =3&t=83430
'07 GT Idive 4 4.0, Q100C 201 14S LiPoly elifebike 9-FET 20A controller. 23 MPH.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 8#p1237928

User avatar
OptimusPrime
10 W
10 W
Posts: 66
Joined: Feb 13, 2016 8:03 pm
Location: Washington Crossing, Pennsylvania

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by OptimusPrime » May 09, 2017 6:46 am

motomech wrote: Are you stuck in the '60's?
Right on!

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » May 09, 2017 10:08 am

motomech wrote: But it's still less expensive than Motorcycles, ATV's, etc. And easier on my body.
I like "tinkering w/ my ebike and I'm at the stage in my life where the cost in a non-issue. If I was into pinching pennies, I would have built a gas-powered Spooky.
And I don't throw away my replaced parts. I resell them or give them to the kid down the street.
I also was building china girls before going all electric motomech. My 2 best were up around $2000 by the time I was finished with them. I consider my Fatty to be like an electric china girl, but in comparison for about the same money I consider it a huge improvement.

No vibration, and silent running greatly reduces the fatigue factor. There's no comparison in dependably, all my electric bikes have been as dependable as rocks.

Just the bare frame for this bike cost as much as complete Storm Fatty. I have $2000 in this china girl.

Image

miro13car
100 kW
100 kW
Posts: 1454
Joined: Mar 26, 2007 1:30 pm
Location: Calgary, Canada

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by miro13car » May 10, 2017 2:49 pm

OptimusPrime is right.
Theodore , who are you kidding.
Yours is not STORM anymore after all this rebuilding.

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » May 10, 2017 9:55 pm

miro13car wrote:OptimusPrime is right.
Theodore , who are you kidding.
Yours is not STORM anymore after all this rebuilding.
I guess you could say that, but not for long. Interestingly, Storm in a couple more weeks is coming out with a new fatty with a 7 speed derailleur like mine, and a 500w 48v motor very similar to mine. It's a similar setup to what's coming on the new Sondors Fold.

User avatar
sonnetg
1 kW
1 kW
Posts: 307
Joined: Jul 25, 2015 8:25 pm
Location: Maryland

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by sonnetg » May 31, 2017 9:17 pm

Theodore Voltaire wrote:When it comes to range, this bike will stomp the shit out of 99% bike all eBikes in a contest of both distance, and speed. It can run 25 mph for over 40 miles straight.

Image

Nice upgrades you've got there. I like that way you mounted the controller to the frame. Did you fabricate those brackets for the controller? If not, do you happen to know the source?

As for Sondors, I was really hoping a get my hands on a used frame to build up from scratch, but I was able to source a Cromoly KHS frame to build me a fast ebike :)

Cheers.

User avatar
chas58
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 816
Joined: Mar 19, 2013 4:05 pm
Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA

not Storm, but STROM!!!

Post by chas58 » Jun 01, 2017 10:30 am

LockH wrote:^^ :) Still kinda partial to the European products... "Swiss clocks"... "German" cars... "Italian" clothes... And I do expect these to be more... "spendy" to buy (and maintain) as "better" designed and built. These daze... Buy Cheap! When it breaks, just throw it out and buy new! I'm more a Tool Guy... Knowing I can buy "generic" parts from a local bike shop. :)
Have I got the bike for you.

You don't want a Storm, you want a Strom! For a few hundred $$$ extra, you get European design. But you new this already...

STRØM e-bike now on indiegogo (I know, it sounds like a bad joke...)

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/stro ... r-any-ride#/
25^3 bike: 25 lbs, 25 mph, 25 mile range.
Road and Mountain Bike Cute Q100 builds:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =3&t=49691

User avatar
chas58
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 816
Joined: Mar 19, 2013 4:05 pm
Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by chas58 » Jun 01, 2017 10:31 am

Theodore Voltaire wrote:Looks like I'm already obsolete. People are now buying 60v kits, which includes a controller, battery, and LCD, and they go 38 mph without pedaling.
that just does not seem very smart...

(Love your work and your bikes, btw).
25^3 bike: 25 lbs, 25 mph, 25 mile range.
Road and Mountain Bike Cute Q100 builds:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =3&t=49691

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » Aug 27, 2017 9:30 am

Oh no, a new younger girl just blew into town, and she's smokin hot. Now my Storm isn't as perfect as it used to be.

Image

Theodore Voltaire
10 MW
10 MW
Posts: 2081
Joined: Sep 26, 2013 11:41 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: The Perfect Storm

Post by Theodore Voltaire » Mar 09, 2018 1:43 pm

For getting across town is a hurry

48v 30ah

Image

Post Reply