Natural gas vehicles worse for climate than diesel ones

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Natural gas vehicles worse for climate than diesel ones

Natural gas is widely hailed as cleaner than other fossil fuels, but new research says using it -- instead of diesel -- to power trucks and buses will likely exacerbate global warming over a 100-year period.

Diesel engines are relatively fuel-efficient while the natural gas infrastructure leaks more heat-trapping methane than federal or industry data suggest, says a study Thursday by 16 scientists from federal laboratories and seven universities including Stanford, Harvard and MIT .

"Fueling trucks and buses with natural gas may help local air quality and reduce oil imports, but it is not likely to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," lead author Adam Brandt,of Stanford said in releasing the findings. "Even running passenger cars on natural gas instead of gasoline is probably on the borderline in terms of climate."

Brandt says they used greenhouse-gas calculations from a 2012 study, which looked at past practices to assess the impact of vehicle fuels. He says future improvements in natural gas usage could alter its impact on climate.

Despite its leakiness, natural gas is still better for the climate long-term than coal as a way to generate electricity, according to the review of 200-plus earlier studies that appears in Friday's edition of the journal Science.

The production of natural gas is booming in the United States, and President Obama welcomed it in his 2014 State of the Union address as "bridge fuel that can power our economy with less of the carbon pollution that causes climate change." The burning of natural gas emits less carbon than oil or coal, but scientists say methane emissions are offsetting some its benefits.

Natural gas consists mostly of methane, a greenhouse gas that doesn't linger in the atmosphere nearly as long as carbon dioxide but traps about 30 times more heat while it does. So even small methane leaks, whether from pipelines under city streets or a power plant, add up.

The study says the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency underestimates methane emissions largely because of the way it tallies them. The agency takes a "bottom-up" approach in which it calculates emissions based on the amount of methane typically released per cow or per unit of coal or natural gas sold. It does not include emissions from abandoned oil and gas wells or natural sources such as wetlands.

In contrast, "top-down" counts taken from airplanes or towers measure actual methane in the air. They suggest U.S. methane emissions are 25% to 75% higher than the EPA estimates, says the study, which also note the limits of these atmospheric counts.

"It's not clear where these emissions are coming from," Brandt told reporters. While scientists don't know exactly how much is due to hydraulic fracturing or fracking -- the drilling method largely responsible for the natural gas boom -- he said it's probably a small share of total emissions.

The study says methane leakage in the gas industry may also have been underestimated. because emission rates for wells and processing plants were based on voluntary participation. One EPA study asked 30 gas companies to cooperate, but only six allowed the agency on site.

"It's impossible to take direct measurements of emissions from sources without site access," said co-author Garvin Heath, senior scientist with the National Renewable Energy Laboratory.

The authors call on the natural gas industry to clean up its leaks. Fortunately for gas companies, they say a few leaks probably account for much of the problem so repairs are doable. An earlier study of about 75,000 components at processing plants found just 50 faulty ones were behind nearly 60% of the leaked gas.

Eric Pooley, senior vice president of the Environmental Defense Fund, a research and advocacy group, says gas companies are moving in the right direction. He says they're being prodded by an upcoming EPA rule - effective January 2015 - that requires methane be captured when liquids are being removed after drilling.

"EPA has not yet had the opportunity to review the upcoming Science study on methane emissions," the agency said in a statement. The agency says it's aware of studies that show emissions are higher than EPA estimates, adding this research will "help us refine our estimates going forward."


http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/5452829
 
i have a strong suspicion the study has been biased by a presumption of gas leaking from the hydraulic fracturing of the source rock. this is known to not be the case so when they use it as part of this presupposition it damages their argument a lot.

many people have never seen the type of ductile iron gas pipe that was used in the past for distributing NG in the local distribution network and would be pretty startled to realize how much gas leaks underground through poor joints in these old ductile iron pipelines used for gas pipes when the cities were built out back at the beginning of the last century.

most gas companies are all going back and rebuilding their distribution networks using polyethylene tubing for the conductors to make a permanent fix for the problem.

i would never say that using NG for the transport fleet is somehow inefficient or produces more global heating than diesel since the methane leaks are from a totally different source than from the drilling operations. it is mainly from these leaking gas distribution networks underneath city streets.

for oil producers and state regulatory agencies, the big fight now is to reduce the amount of flaring of associated gas during oil production from the hydraulic fracturing of the source rock. this is a really big deal in north dakota and the williston basin as well as in the eagle ford.
 
Im curious, what methods does the rest of the oil producing world use to prevent atmospheric methane release. What about in early US oil drilling?
 
Oh heavens, early U.S. oil drilling they stuck a pipe in it and held a match to the end to burn it off. You had to be close to a customer for the gas to bother catching it, literally until the 1980's, so much gas wasted and burned to heat our atmosphere until then. I wonder how much of the gas through the Chinese bamboo pipelines of a few centuries ago was lost.

Literally, for every successful effort to capture the gas perhaps a century ago, there were several disasters. My favorite story is where the farmer just outside town thinks he has this great fortune in causing a gas release on his land, he can get that gas into town and sell if if he just. . .just. . . . While he was pondering that, he pulled out his pipe and lit up. . . .

And the burnoff continues. Even as there are shortages during this cold winter.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/18/1180129/-Massive-Fracking-Burnoff-Can-Be-Seen-From-Outer-Space

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liveforphysics said:
Im curious, what methods does the rest of the oil producing world use to prevent atmospheric methane release. What about in early US oil drilling?

during drilling and completion there is no NG that is released. all the associated gas that comes out of the casing and from the drilling mud in the shaker is vented through a flare stack and burned. when the oil well goes into production there is a volume of associated gas that is separated off from the crude and then it is either vented and flared or it is recovered and sent to gas processing plaants to treat the gas and separate out the natural gas liquids. from there it is compressed into the natural gas pipeline network wherever the oil field is and the natural gas liquids are stored at the processing plant and shipped over the road or rail or by pipelines to other distribution and storage locations.

there are numerous locations around the country where natural gas byproducts are stored.

if a drilling crew did not burn off the gas in the flare it would present a huge hazard because it is capable of building up to violently explosive levels if it is not burned in the flare.

for the majority of the history of oil production, since the end of the 19th century in the US and in Baku, almost all of the natural gas produced from oil production has been flared and currently huge volumes of gas are still flared in locations where there is no associated natural gas pipeline network.

until there is a market for the natural gas there is no financial incentive to build the pipelines. they are hugely expensive.

but it is possible through social forces to use the money we spend on the military to build fleets of floating LNG plants and place them in the ocean where the oil is produced and then ship the LNG to world markets. that is the current 'leading edge' technology in the world of oil and gas production. even huge compressed natural gas storage tanks so natural gas can be transported over the highway to remote locations by semis.

there was once a plan by a canadian company to build a huge, like in container ship sized ship with a huge compressed natural gas cylinder running the length of the ship capable of storing humongous amounts of natural gas and then transporting it to land where it would be pumped into the land side gas pipeline network. over the top thinking but never got further than prototypes.
 
funny enought to remind a study I did for a natural gas distributor (they had a fleet of dual fuel vehicle, liquid fuel and natural gas fuel)
outcome of this study is that it made the vehicle neither good on NG nor on liquid fuel:
envirronnementaly speaking, it was worst than any liquid fuel powered vehicle.

This being said, I would be interrested if a dedicated engine running only on NG would be that bad, since NG methane is only on Carbon for four hydrogen atoms, making NG instrinsically an interesting fuel...
Of course, if the study includes the whole supply chain, conclusion might significantly differ
(I also know projects of Natural gas production out of biomass, like wood, cow farts, ... which in the end would "close" the carbon cycle)
 
We have boat loads in OZ. Some of is compressed and shipped to Japan and China in liquid form. It's been going on for decades. It's a good clean fuel for cooking and running power stations.
In vehicles it's worse than electric vehicles with all the disadvantages and no benefits.
In Perth we have some buses running around on natural gas which cost a significant amount more than the diesel equivalent to operated. Refuel times are long and run times short plus a few have caught alight and burned out. The safety issues alone makes lipos seem like child's play. The gas is compressed to very high pressure, which takes time, and stored in high pressure cylinders. The run times are short because they cylinders are not big enough and if they were would take up too much space. It's another green dream funded by tax payers and doing little for the environment, but it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy that we are saving the planet. :roll:

According to our government the big problem is burping sheep and cattle. Research grants are being handed out left right and centre for that one. They are working on a pill for that. :|
 
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