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When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Windows 8/10/?
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36%
ReactOS
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No votes
Chrome
4
6%
Mac
4
6%
Unix
1
2%
Linux
25
39%
BeOS
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Amix
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FreeDos
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2%
Other
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Jan 08 2020 11:38pm

I ordered the E5-2689/32gb/MB for less than $200 shipped and a rx580-8gb for $145 shipped (mainly for the 5 monitor output), I will report back when I get them and fired up.

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by e-beach » Jan 09 2020 9:11pm

Well, my windows 10 update completely frocked everything up!!! It got to the point where windows would take 2 hours to boot. All the windows automatic repair did was screw up a bunch of my apps and they no longer work. Deleting the updates failed. Restor points failed. After two weeks of battling it I just about gave up and was about to buy a new hard drive, pull the old one to preserve the data and start over again, when, I stumbled upon a Microsoft suggestion that I disable windows fast start. The instruction was, "You could try disabling windows fast start." It worked. :P

My computer booted in under 2 minutes. However I had to recover some of the apps that I still wanted by reloading them, minus the two that I still want but are un-recoverable and will have to repurchase newer versions to get them going again. :oops: :cry: :evil:
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by TheBeastie » Jan 10 2020 12:49am

e-beach wrote:
Jan 09 2020 9:11pm
Well, my windows 10 update completely frocked everything up!!! It got to the point where windows would take 2 hours to boot. All the windows automatic repair did was screw up a bunch of my apps and they no longer work. Deleting the updates failed. Restor points failed. After two weeks of battling it I just about gave up and was about to buy a new hard drive, pull the old one to preserve the data and start over again, when, I stumbled upon a Microsoft suggestion that I disable windows fast start. The instruction was, "You could try disabling windows fast start." It worked. :P

My computer booted in under 2 minutes. However I had to recover some of the apps that I still wanted by reloading them, minus the two that I still want but are un-recoverable and will have to repurchase newer versions to get them going again. :oops: :cry: :evil:
Disabling Windows 10 "Fast Start" was the 3rd post recommendation of this entire thread, written complete with URLs on how to do it by me...
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=96417#p1412068
TheBeastie wrote:
Sep 18 2018 12:50am
The only other important with Windows 10 is disable Fastboot/Fast-startup so that every time you reboot windows, you actually do get a fresh clean reboot everytime you reboot. In the age of SSD drives the Fastboot idea is just a dumb idea.
https://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pr ... rtup-mode/
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by e-beach » Jan 10 2020 12:02pm

TheBeastie wrote:
Jan 10 2020 12:49am
.......
Sometimes I think I subconsciously-deliberately put the most valuable/interesting things near the bottom of my posts to secretly punish people for being lazy.
.........
It is not always about being lazy. I just don't want to spend any more time in front of a computer then necessary. I have a nice beach to look at while riding my e-bike to some place to sit and play my guitar. Why look at a computer screen learning to code when I can look at waves crashing on the beach. Better priority's in my book. Besides, learning to code doesn't always workout well. Just ask those who have written Windows 10. :oops:

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Post by e-beach » Jan 11 2020 11:05pm

Of course it couldn't last....back to one hour boot. I have been looking at the windows 10 boot error logs where it tells me some drivers are starting but also not starting...... :cry:
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Post by TheBeastie » Jan 12 2020 12:06am

e-beach wrote:
Jan 11 2020 11:05pm
Of course it couldn't last....back to one hour boot. I have been looking at the windows 10 boot error logs where it tells me some drivers are starting but also not starting...... :cry:
Update any external drivers possible, which is usually only ever graphics card drivers these days.
The other and even more likely problem is Anti-virus... Anti-virus software loads driver-like stuff very early on and can totally stuff booting up.
It might be even old remains of anti-virus software.

Just googled this, YouTube can solve any problem in the world :pancake:
I time-linked the section on how to disable programs on startup... Probably won't fix nasty/stuffed anti-virus installs though
https://youtu.be/K_Acj4sISzo?t=119
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by e-beach » Jan 12 2020 8:47pm

TheBeastie wrote:
Jan 12 2020 12:06am
Update any external drivers possible, which is usually only ever graphics card drivers these days..............
Thanks for that.
I tried everything in the video and still have a one hour boot (actually 56 minutes this time.) :evil:
It may be that windows 10 doesn't like the video card in my laptop as my laptop is 8 years old.
It does have an MXM module, but it is the best of the 3 types offered when this machine was new.
In the BootLog I keep getting boot errors that dxgkrnl.sys is loaded then the next line says it is not loaded.
I have also noticed that something called NDProxy.sys is not loading. I don't know what that one is but I will look into it.
And yes I have updated the driver.
Then there are the orphaned files from the two programs that windows 10 disappeared on me.

Not sure what to do next.....maybe wait for the next update to see if microsoft can get there act together.

Anyway, thanks for the effort! :!: :!: :!:

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by AngryBob » Jan 13 2020 6:56am

Get rid of your graphics card drivers and install as generic, if this works OK nothing more needed.

If more features needed then you will need to find a win10 graphics driver which works with your card and does not cause problems. You may need to disable auto updates for video card drivers.

Look for more generic drivers, not necessarily the latest and greatest. This is trial and error, may take several attempts. Remove and replace with generic after each failed attempt.

The NDproxy file is a MS file which is legit, but may or may not be required. If this causes any actual problems, report back.

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Post by e-beach » Jan 14 2020 1:15am

Well, I am back up and running again after a second Windows 10 reset while loosing a some of my apps, again. I have learned to reload most of them, I will see later about the rest or them. It turns out what I have is a know problem. (of course Micorsoft hasn't done anything about it in the years the problem has cropped up.)

As for the video driver, I am now running the driver that loads with Windows 10. It is older then the one that I can update to by a few months.

However the failed drivers persist.

Examples.
BOOTLOG_LOADED \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\dxgkrnl.sys
BOOTLOG_NOT_LOADED \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\dxgkrnl.sys
BOOTLOG_LOADED \SystemRoot\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\basicdisplay.inf_amd64_307898c750ba9e44\BasicDisplay.sys
BOOTLOG_NOT_LOADED \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\dxgkrnl.sys
and
BOOTLOG_NOT_LOADED \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\WdFilter.sys
The dxgkrnl.sys and WdFilter.sys driver failures are well know. I found this out by cutting and pasting this to the windows search bar:
BOOTLOG_NOT_LOADED \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\dxgkrnl.sys
And it took me to this site where they suggested disabling windows error reporting service.
https://www.tenforums.com/general-suppo ... -10-a.html

So I disabled the Windows Error Reporting Service, and as the poster states, I also still get the NOT_LOADED errors, but my boot times is now around 3 minutes. I can live with that.

So far so good. We will see what tomorrow brings when I continue adding back my apps.

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Post by e-beach » Jan 14 2020 3:31pm

As an addendum, I took a look at the bootlog this morning, (C:\Wincows|ntbtog) and to my suprize it only had 5 boot entries??? Then I remembered fast boot was probably enabled from my Windows reset. So I checked it and, yes, it was enabled. A 2 minute boot, plus about 1 minute for Skype to start. I can't make a cup of coffee that fast so I am happy at the moment. However, this has been such a battle (which is still not finished, more programs to recover) I am wondering even more about Linux.

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Post by AngryBob » Jan 15 2020 6:26pm

Linux has it's uses, I've tried it many times over the last couple decades. Basically usable, for minimal purposes. However, I work in IT, and as such it has absolutely no value to me. Also, for many types of work, it is just non-functional.

Basic web-browsing and not much else, sure. Mainstream apps and specialized uses like video capture or gaming, just forget it. There us no "Linux", just twelfty million different variations.

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Post by e-beach » Jan 15 2020 8:27pm

AngryBob wrote:
Jan 15 2020 6:26pm
Linux has it's uses, I've tried it many times over the last couple decades. Basically usable, ........
That's what I was wondering about. I haven't made any movies since I got hit by that car 3 1/2 years ago, but I am beginning to get the itch. One of the pieces of software I lost was my Avid Media Composer. So I know what you mean about not being able to capture video. So, then the next step is simply ponying up the money and going Apple.

However, disabling Windows Error Reporting has helped dramatically. (I guess the Microsoft bandwidth isn't large enough to handle all the Windows errors coming in world-wide. :lol: ) Although, I am not running the latest Windows update, things are ok at the moment. It makes me think about setting a restore point and reverting to it every time windows forces an update.

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Jan 18 2020 12:01am

--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 08 2020 11:38pm
I ordered the E5-2689/32gb/MB for less than $200 shipped and a rx580-8gb for $145 shipped (mainly for the 5 monitor output), I will report back when I get them and fired up.
I got all of it, not bad 15 days shipping to California.

Loaded win10 pro in 8 minutes :D .But it's old win10 1709, I am going to make a new usb win10 setup and start over.

Do you recommend installing Radeon video drivers or just use the win10 installed version (22.19.162.4 date 4-24-2017){Radeon ver 17.1.1)?

What is the recommended cpu and gpu test benchmark software?

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Post by TheBeastie » Jan 18 2020 1:19am

--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 18 2020 12:01am
--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 08 2020 11:38pm
I ordered the E5-2689/32gb/MB for less than $200 shipped and a rx580-8gb for $145 shipped (mainly for the 5 monitor output), I will report back when I get them and fired up.
I got all of it, not bad 15 days shipping to California.

Loaded win10 pro in 8 minutes :D .But it's old win10 1709, I am going to make a new usb win10 setup and start over.

Do you recommend installing Radeon video drivers or just use the win10 installed version (22.19.162.4 date 4-24-2017){Radeon ver 17.1.1)?

What is the recommended cpu and gpu test benchmark software?
Cool, glad to here..
When it comes to video card drivers I always would recommend the latest from AMD https://www.amd.com/en/support
When it comes to other drivers I basically exclusively just stick to what every driver MS Windows 10 provides.

I don't know if Windows the pre-built Windows 10 downloads always are the latest version, but you can try.

I like to always do a basic test with CPU-Z
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
And run through the CPU-Z benchmark, it can show off multi-threaded performance and single-thread performance quickly, here is my at maximum overclocks https://valid.x86.fr/udz19z https://valid.x86.fr/9zl95x
You can see here on their website I scored
Single-Thread 423
Multi-Thread (12T) 3288

Cinebench R15 is my second favourite, you can keep running this in different hardware tweaked configurations and it records your score so you can compare. The latest is Cinebench R20 but creates a completely different test/scores than R15 version, and because there are so many hardware review sites/videos that have built up scores to compare with R15 numbers aIl, still use R15
https://www.guru3d.com/files-get/cinebe ... oad,1.html
https://www.maxon.net/en-us/support/downloads/

PerfMonitor is good just to see how hot/loaded your PC is... Note that merely running this program in the background while benchmarking Cinebench R15 can reduce the total score, because even just showing temps can eat CPU cycles.
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/perfmonitor-2.html

The other great one for synthetic tests and checking out and testing your hardware is AIDA64 Extreme https://www.aida64.com/downloads
It has a 30 day free trial, but as you have pointed out you can buy a recycled key on ebay etc with Paypal protection for like $3 dollars.

You can also use AIDA64 for stress testing various system parts like RAM like this guy shows on his Xeon testing video https://youtu.be/NItI0J5ZR68?t=1210

Good luck.
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Post by e-beach » Jan 18 2020 11:08am

--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 18 2020 12:01am
......Do you recommend installing Radeon video drivers or just use the win10 installed version (22.19.162.4 date 4-24-2017){Radeon ver 17.1.1)?....
As a side note, and I don't know if it is relevant to you, but the Nvidia driver provided by Windows 10 worked best for me. Updating my driver through the Windows device manager only made things worse. Then again, this laptop isn't new.
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Post by --Oz-- » Jan 19 2020 6:50pm

My stock E5-2689/32gb/rx580-8gb

Passmark
cpu 13,904
single thread 1765
Memorymark 2217

CPU-z
multi 3252
single 330

cinebench
cpu 1111
opengl 108

The spy
4577
cpu 5974
gpu 4396

My new system has run for about a day, time to toss it in a case, pretty happy for such a low cost.
I bought the $21 snowman heatsink/fan with the 6 heatpipes (the $18 has 4 pipes), max temp showed 50 degrees C (realtempGT), of course this was not a torcher test.

I am wondering if the old win10 (1709) I tried on my i7-920 a while ago was the reason it was bsod, I may try to load the 1909 win10 version. I found the x5675 for $20 or the x5680 for $30, very tempting.

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Post by TheBeastie » Jan 19 2020 8:38pm

--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 19 2020 6:50pm
My stock E5-2689/32gb/rx580-8gb
cinebench
cpu 1111
My new system has run for about a day, time to toss it in a case, pretty happy for such a low cost.
I bought the $21 snowman heatsink/fan with the 6 heatpipes (the $18 has 4 pipes), max temp showed 50 degrees C (realtempGT), of course this was not a torcher test.

I am wondering if the old win10 (1709) I tried on my i7-920 a while ago was the reason it was bsod, I may try to load the 1909 win10 version. I found the x5675 for $20 or the x5680 for $30, very tempting.
Looks great, that's a great Cinebench R15 score too.
rx580 will do well in games too.

I think the 32gb ram is a great bonus to have, I noticed when upgraded from 12gb to 24gb I noticed everything was loading up a bit noticeably more snappily, even though I already have all my programs on an SSD drive, the Windows 10 Memory Manager Subsystems will suck up anything you touch on your storage devices and use your 32gb of ram to load them even faster if you try to run them, the OS will quietly ditch stuff out of its ram cache if you start to load up programs that actually need more ram transparently. While this is typical memory management for any OS, more memory helps it all work better.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... anagement/

Yeah, last time I installed windows 10 I just used the "Create Windows 10 installation media" tool which seemed like a pretty up to date version release, and then just used the builtin windows update features from there.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/softwar ... /windows10

Yeah I would buy one of those CPUs if you got the X58 motherboard, as I have shown, if you got an original premium motherboard you can overclock the absolute bejesus out of the 1366LGA X58 platform.
But as far as I know, I have overclocked my X58 further than I have seen anyone else do it, without getting into liquid nitrogen etc of course..
It makes a good hobby for spending some time on, when you're not afraid of killing your PC you can really learn a lot more about overclocking and what the limits are.
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Post by --Oz-- » Jan 19 2020 11:46pm

The cpu-z seems pretty good, your smoking it in single thread with your 4.6ghz, verse my 2.6ghz clock (~25% faster).

gigabyte ga-ex58-ud4p with the i7-920, when I first got it I OC it to 3.66 (from 2.66) with ease, but I noticed my games did not require the extra speed so i just been running it stock for a decade, been a awesome reliable system, it started with 6gb ram, now it has 24gb.

I also have Asus P6x58-e-pro with i7-980x (gets 8742 in passmark) with 24gb ram with two gtx480 cards in sli, I got all this for fixing a high end home theater SUBwoofer, the power supply was humming (60hz) bad, I replaced the 6 power supply output caps, haha. That mb was a $350 unit when new, the cpu was a grand. Not really sure a x5675 would be an improvement (but not sure).

the 4 sticks of ram i got are
samsung m393b1k70dh0-ck0 8gb
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/d ... 70DH0-CK0/
Looks like 1600 speed and thats what I seen in my bios. CPU-Z shows pc3-12800 (800mhz), same if bios changed from 1600 to 1800mhz), so is it not really changing speed or? EDIT: passmark shows no speed change, doh, lol.

Since my xeon 2689 is locked, if i OC the ram (133mhz increments), I think that will also OC the cpu (somewhat), is that true?
Passmark memo test went from Memorymark 2217 at 1600 to 2405 at 1800mhz, not really a improvement and the

What ram do you have that runs at 200mhz fsb? Sorry, it's been awhile since I OC

What is memory "rank interleaving"?

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Post by Dauntless » Jan 20 2020 1:46pm

An article over the weekend said one third of the worlds computers are still using windows 7. I guess we'll see how much good the Microsoft updates ever really did.
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Post by --Oz-- » Jan 21 2020 1:03am

@ TheBeastie

1. My gigabyte MB (GA-EX58-UD4P-rev-1.0) does not show the x5675 as compatible (I have the latest bios f14k), it shows upto x5570, do you think the x5675 is compatible or the x5680?
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA ... upport-cpu

2. If I replace my i7-920 with the x5675, can I use my current ddr3-ram (not server ram)?

And guess what, the couple of months I was trying to get win10 not to bsod (every fricken hour) about 2 years ago (with win10 1709), I loaded win10 1909 and it has run for 2 hours without a glitch tonight, time will tell.

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by TheBeastie » Jan 24 2020 3:29am

--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 21 2020 1:03am
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1. My gigabyte MB (GA-EX58-UD4P-rev-1.0) does not show the x5675 as compatible (I have the latest bios f14k), it shows upto x5570, do you think the x5675 is compatible or the x5680?
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA ... upport-cpu

2. If I replace my i7-920 with the x5675, can I use my current ddr3-ram (not server ram)?

And guess what, the couple of months I was trying to get win10 not to bsod (every fricken hour) about 2 years ago (with win10 1709), I loaded win10 1909 and it has run for 2 hours without a glitch tonight, time will tell.
Q1) For your Gigabyte motherboard, I am pretty sure the X5675 will work anyway, it will just show up as similar CPU like a x5570.

Q2) You can use your current DDR3-ram just fine. You will >never< be able to use "registered/RDIMM" server memory in your original Gigabyte desktop motherboard, even if you have a working Xeon CPU in the motherboard.
With that PlexHD MB you have, even though it "looks" like a desktop motherboard it's really a server/workstation motherboard, so it can take registered server memory. I think one of the reasons why the Plex HD BIOS's look so plain/boring is because they are using a server/workstation MB bios, which doesn't have all the fancy overclocking/tweaking options you see in desktop motherboards.

Some people have gone to extreme lengths to get more out of their Xeon CPUs on original Asus X58 motherboards like flashing an Asus Workstation motherboard bios onto their Asus desktop motherboard that was a very similar design, and while it all works with the Xeon CPU, they still were NOT able to get "registered server ram" working on it, its still a physical design difference issue, even if the pins/DIMMs fit in the desktop motherboard it just doesn't work, for registered server memory.
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Jan 21 2020 1:03am
Since my xeon 2689 is locked, if i OC the ram (133mhz increments), I think that will also OC the cpu (somewhat), is that true?
You can try, after LGA1366 Intel jumped down hard on overclockability, with the LGA2011 they made overclocking via ram bus speed increments very limited, you will be lucky to get it to 136Mhz stable as far as I know compared to the insane roughly 215Mhz working limit on X58.
The best thing you can do with LGA2011 is try to find a way to unlock the CPU multiplier, if that is possible.
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Post by --Oz-- » Jan 25 2020 12:38am

Thanks for the replies.

My i7-920 with a fresh latest win10 (1909) loading, it lasted two days w/o any issue, then tonight it bsod death "driver_power_state_failure", bummer. It happened when copying USB3 HDD to internal 2TB HDD, not sure if its related.
I have the power manager to never turn off the display or system, that bsod talks about changing power states (sleep/hibernate/etc), which it was not doing, ideas (I dont think under clocking or over volting will do anything as it runs fine with winxp/7 for a decade)? (driver/setting)
I tried disabling fast start, same.
I want to try the x5675 in the gigabyte, but if win10 is unreliable, not worth it.

Comparing my:
i7-920 4,900 passmark, handbreak re-encoding 25.4fps, max cpu temp 94C (I think I need to redo the paste)
e5-2589 13,900 passmark, handbreak re-encoding 62.1fps, max cpu temp 59C, half the size cooler (6 pipe snowman)

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by e-beach » Jan 25 2020 1:14am

--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 25 2020 12:38am
.......then tonight it bsod death "driver_power_state_failure", bummer. It happened when copying USB3 HDD to internal 2TB HDD, not sure if its related.............
When I disabled Windows error reporting my Windows problems went away. It might be worth a try.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by TheBeastie » Jan 25 2020 3:31am

--Oz-- wrote:
Jan 25 2020 12:38am
Thanks for the replies.

My i7-920 with a fresh latest win10 (1909) loading, it lasted two days w/o any issue, then tonight it bsod death "driver_power_state_failure", bummer. It happened when copying USB3 HDD to internal 2TB HDD, not sure if its related.
I have the power manager to never turn off the display or system, that bsod talks about changing power states (sleep/hibernate/etc), which it was not doing, ideas (I dont think under clocking or over volting will do anything as it runs fine with winxp/7 for a decade)? (driver/setting)
I tried disabling fast start, same.
I want to try the x5675 in the gigabyte, but if win10 is unreliable, not worth it.

Comparing my:
i7-920 4,900 passmark, handbreak re-encoding 25.4fps, max cpu temp 94C (I think I need to redo the paste)
e5-2589 13,900 passmark, handbreak re-encoding 62.1fps, max cpu temp 59C, half the size cooler (6 pipe snowman)
Don't know how to fix your "driver_power_state_failure" error problem, I just googled it and got some recommendations to try that are similar to what you tried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THPtTlqnEPo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCXuk55NumU https://blog.pcrisk.com/windows/12741-h ... lure-error https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001152.htm
Could also try resetting bios to "DEFAULT", just remember of taking note of any specific settings you need to restore.

This YouTube video has some dubious instructions to run but also some good details in the videos description area about the problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCXuk55NumU
Basically says you got an "incompatible driver installed", maybe a fresh/latest install of Windows 10 is needed.
Driver Power State Failure is a Blue Screen of Death error and occurs mostly as a result of an incompatible driver installed. Depending on what caused the error, you can fix it with a simple restart or by using one of the solutions below.

Great passmark score BTW, the e5-2589 is just killer multithreaded performance value.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Jan 26 2020 11:23pm

@ TheBeastie
I always appreciate your comments.

I finally swapped my PlexHD setup into my i7-case (had had zero issues with it), man the PlexHD board is tiny compared to a full size ATX, only 5 screws holds the MB in, verse 9 on the gigbyte, I added some support under the power connector and the pci-e (farthest from cpu), I didnt want the board flexing while installing cards.

Everything went well on first boot with just my ssd boot drive. Then I added two HDD (2TB and 1.5TB) on the sata-2 ports, it would not see either of the HDD's. I swapped sata cables, same, I swapped to two other sata-2 ports, same. I went into disk management and it did show the 2TB, but it did not have a drive letter (like it was not formatted, both of these hdd are full of data and has worked with Win7 and 10). Then I tried the 2TB in the sata-3 connector (other sata-3 is working on the ssd boot win10 drive). Same, does not see it in file explorer. I also looked into the bios, the sata port is set to ahci by default, so I tried IDE ENHANCED mode, now the ssd boot drive was not recognized, switched back to ahci, it booted, but not 2TB. Any suggestions?

On the i7 win10 lockup issue, I watched all the videos, thanks, I then installed the i7 setup in a spare case, I only added the ssd win10 fresh install and the R7850 gpu. Since the bsof death has only happened a couple of times over a few days it hard to test (mush better than once a hour win10 v1709 was giving). Both times it did bsod, I was copying drive to drive (sucks because you can lose data), I dont recall if it was to a USB drive or not. The gigabyte drive does not have usb3 or sata-3 above 2TB limit, so i had two pci-e usb3 cards installed (High-point rocketU 1022A (2-port), another card (4-port usb3 and a 4 port sata board (SI-PEX40064, to get above 2TB limit the gigabyte on board controller has, at the bsod, there was no drive connected to this card)). I am wondering if one of these cards is the bsod issue, I think I am going to run it without the cards for a while, and if it bsod, then try the suggestions in the videos, time will tell.

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