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When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Windows 8/10/?
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35%
ReactOS
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Chrome
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6%
Mac
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5%
Unix
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2%
Linux
25
40%
BeOS
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Other
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by dustNbone » Sep 06 2019 10:44pm

If you're looking for an Ubuntu with a similar look and feel to Windows, I'd go with Kubuntu. KDE is far and away the best desktop environment available period IMHO.

It's got the same basic layout as Windows, apps menu bottom left, taskbar, clock, etc bottom right. No one will have trouble figuring out how to get things done and the overall level of polish is excellent. If Windows had a UI as well thought out as KDE I would hate it substantially less.

XFCE (default Xubuntu desktop) is designed to be as lightweight as possible, nice if you're running it on a Raspberry Pi but not really a factor for a modern PC. It works well enough but still has alot of rough edges and it's minimalist design goals mean it lacks many conveniences. It's also has many less years of development behind it than KDE or GNOME.

If the computer can run Windows tolerably it will handle a full featured desktop like KDE just fine. In fact it will fly by comparison.

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Post by --Oz-- » Sep 08 2019 12:02am

dustNbone wrote:
Sep 06 2019 10:44pm
If you're looking for an Ubuntu with a similar look and feel to Windows, I'd go with Kubuntu. KDE is far and away the best desktop environment available period IMHO.

It's got the same basic layout as Windows, apps menu bottom left, taskbar, clock, etc bottom right. No one will have trouble figuring out how to get things done and the overall level of polish is excellent. If Windows had a UI as well thought out as KDE I would hate it substantially less.

XFCE (default Xubuntu desktop) is designed to be as lightweight as possible, nice if you're running it on a Raspberry Pi but not really a factor for a modern PC. It works well enough but still has alot of rough edges and it's minimalist design goals mean it lacks many conveniences. It's also has many less years of development behind it than KDE or GNOME.

If the computer can run Windows tolerably it will handle a full featured desktop like KDE just fine. In fact it will fly by comparison.
I have only played with linux a couple times, I did like ultimate linux as it seemed to have most everything, but since i dont know much about linux and there is so many flavors, its crazy to just guess what is the better one for me.
I have used this simple little program "liux live usb creator" and in a few clicks you have a installable linux on flash drive. I guess one its pluses (not for me), it can boot linux in a VM on windows. I just like that its easy to get going with it, its found here http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/help/guide/preparation

I see it has Kubuntu 15.04 "vivid vervet" (KDE), is that the one you suggest?

Is there better ways to go about getting Linux on a bootable USB drive to install a fresh copy on to a SSD?
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by dustNbone » Sep 08 2019 2:38am

Current version of Kubuntu (and all current Ubuntu variants) is 19.04, released this April. It looks like that tool you were using is outdated, and possibly no longer maintained. That's one of the problems with those kind of utilities, they tend to get updated far less often than new versions of Linux distros come out.

For writing bootable USB devices in Windows, I generally use Rufus:

https://rufus.ie/

It doesn't download the ISO images itself, just writes them to USB so you'll have to download the distros you want to write manually.

You can get Kubuntu here:

https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/

And a detailed tutorial on how to use Rufus to write Ubuntu images:

https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/t ... -windows#0

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Sep 09 2019 10:14pm

@ dustNbone Thanks!!!
bookmarked, will try it soon!

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by sleepy_tired » Oct 05 2019 11:12am

Just keep in mind that the majority of Linux users still use Gnome and it's the default for most major Linux distributions. The more you stray into custom desktops and less common installations the more problems and more expertise you are going to need to be successful.

I also don't really see much of a point to having some Linux desktop that looks like Windows when it'll never behave like Windows. It just gets confusing to use the same icons and metaphors when everything behind them is completely different. It's really just a trap.

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Post by TheBeastie » Nov 09 2019 12:27am

Hey folks.
I thought I would let you know that you can buy a legitimate windows 10 pro key for about $15USD.
I think Windows 10 at about $15 is a fair price and what it should be for anyone.
I game way too much to be able to give up windows.

What these guys do is take old thrown away windows 7 PCs at major recyclers and convert the windows 7 key to a free upgrade windows 10 pro key and strip it of being attached to any owner/hardware etc.

I have seen pretty popular YouTubers pimp their service and continually claim it's fully legitimate.. I have bought one so I know it works. https://youtu.be/S-5GRirpzKU?t=1001
Windows 10 is going to be around forever so it's handy to have a real key.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Nov 14 2019 11:38am

On ebay you can get Win10 keys for $3 or less, I have bought 6 so far over the past 9 months, no issues with them so far, the issue I have is Winblows10, constantly ramming crap down my throat, constantly taking my freedom away. Been a windows users since win286, and supporting it since then, now I am starting to hate it, the last years win10 updates have been a abortion.

My perfectly good 11yo i7-920, pop in a spare ssd in, load win10, all kinds of driver issues with my gigabyte motherboard, so cant run win10 on it (that I know) so toss a perfectly working pc because winblows updates. :kff: megashaft

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by stan.distortion » Nov 14 2019 12:50pm

sleepy_tired wrote:
Oct 05 2019 11:12am
Just keep in mind that the majority of Linux users still use Gnome and it's the default for most major Linux distributions. The more you stray into custom desktops and less common installations the more problems and more expertise you are going to need to be successful.

I also don't really see much of a point to having some Linux desktop that looks like Windows when it'll never behave like Windows. It just gets confusing to use the same icons and metaphors when everything behind them is completely different. It's really just a trap.
I think most distros still have the BSOD screensaver, seeing a blue screen every 15 minutes goes a fair way to simulating the experience :twisted:
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by neptronix » Nov 14 2019 4:48pm

BeOS lives on as haiku. AFAIK haiku is cool as shit. I wish virtualbox was available for it.. if so, i'd be running it as my host OS :bigthumb:

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by TheBeastie » Nov 15 2019 4:34am

--Oz-- wrote:
Nov 14 2019 11:38am
Been a windows users since win286, and supporting it since then, now I am starting to hate it, the last years win10 updates have been a abortion.

My perfectly good 11yo i7-920, pop in a spare ssd in, load win10, all kinds of driver issues with my gigabyte motherboard, so cant run win10 on it (that I know) so toss a perfectly working pc because winblows updates. :kff: megashaft
The main reason MS do it is that it's cheaper to support only one OS, that being the newest one.
Having security experts code fixes for Windows 7 etc is expensive. This is why they kind of gave away Windows 10 for win7 users its ultimately just cheaper easier for MS.

I too am still on the X58 platform, I used to have an i920 but I bought a 1366 X58 compatible Xeon hex-core X5575 CPU for $45AUD and overclocked the crap out of it to 4.6Ghz
I too installed windows 10 on a newly installed SSD on my X58 but conversely what I love about Windows 10 is that I haven't had to install any drivers, Win10 detects everything perfectly, no driver downloads.
No driver problems, no instability problems.
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I have long decided I won't upgrade until 5Ghz CPUs become common or IPC at least doubles from what I have, I am still waiting. Computers are similar to cars, you can buy a new v8 but it's not going really go any faster, what I want is v16 I guess.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by dustNbone » Nov 15 2019 6:34pm

I wouldn't hold my breath on 5Ghz CPUs. We've had 4+Ghz CPUs for like 15 years now, my new Ryzen has a lower clock speed than the (much slower) one it replaced. So, effective IPC continues to climb, but don't look for 5Ghz processors to be a cost effective performace solution.

As for Windows 10 detecting all hardware, not needing drivers and just working. Well that's maybe true in comparison to older versions of Windows, I've still had more than one occasion where it didn't even pick up the network interfaces to allow me to download the rest of the drivers it didn't have.

"Android phone to the rescue" is still very much a thing while installing 10, while I haven't come across a wired ethernet adapter without support in the Linux kernel in a very long time. Windows 10 is better at most things than 7, but it really isn't good when you compare it to anything that isn't Windows.

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Nov 18 2019 11:48am

Thanks for the posts guys. I also have a i7-980 with Asus MB (P6x58-e-Pro), and while win10 loads all the drivers, it is unstable. I tried everything I could think of, I generally dont OC, I even tried underclocking, down to 1 ram stick, different video cards, no love. The only thing that sort of help is turning off hyperthreading, yep, turn off half of the cpu, lol, 6 cores doing nothing. Any suggestions?

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by TheBeastie » Nov 18 2019 10:26pm

--Oz-- wrote:
Nov 18 2019 11:48am
Thanks for the posts guys. I also have a i7-980 with Asus MB (P6x58-e-Pro), and while win10 loads all the drivers, it is unstable. I tried everything I could think of, I generally dont OC, I even tried underclocking, down to 1 ram stick, different video cards, no love. The only thing that sort of help is turning off hyperthreading, yep, turn off half of the cpu, lol, 6 cores doing nothing. Any suggestions?
Yeah just turn off HT, this helps stability a lot.
My CPU gets about 25% hotter with HT on, it shows how much more power is being drawn by the CPU to power those fake CPUs.
Ageing motherboards can struggle to power the beefier CPUs and HT increases power usage/heat creation.

In general usage a HT CPU is only about 10% of a real CPU and in some cases have been known to slow down FPS in games etc. It's the extra real CPU cores that really matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading#Drawbacks

Also in the BIOS turn On "LLC - Load Line Calibration" which just gives the CPU a bit more reliable power via the MB.
If that doesn't help try pumping up your Vcore CPU voltage a bit, or start following overlocking guides just for the increased power tips but without the actual overclocking.

Also make sure your memory isn't inadvertently overclocked or is running past its ratings, you don't lose much performance running it at a lower Mhz, try these settings/stability tests via BIOS
https://youtu.be/NItI0J5ZR68?t=1067

Also run CPU-z in "stress CPU" and run Perfmonitor to see how hot it gets, maybe your CPU cooler isn't working properly.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Nov 19 2019 4:50pm

@ TheBeastie Thanks, will try!

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by dustNbone » Nov 20 2019 3:27am

Instability like that is quite often power related, either the power supply itself or the voltage regulators on the motherboard.

A good way to rule out software is to use a Linux LiveUSB stick, boot from that and run some stress tests with a totally independent software stack.

If it works there you have broken Windows, if it dies you have broken computer.

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by --Oz-- » Nov 27 2019 1:48pm

Goop point on the PSU. It's a antec 850 quatro running 17-920, R7850 gpu, 24gb, four 2tb hdd, 960gb ssd. It works great on win7 sp1 on all games I play, just winblows10 it crashes (switching off HT does help, but does not solve crashing, just crashes less), switching back to my win7 ssd, no problems.

Since the first gen i7 has only one chipset (X58), and my gigagyte GA-EX58-UD4P does not have win10 drivers, but my i7-980 on Asus P6x58-e-Pro has win10 drivers (of course has same x58 chipset). Could i use the updated Asus x58 drivers for the gigabyte motherboard?

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by TheBeastie » Nov 28 2019 11:58am

--Oz-- wrote:
Nov 27 2019 1:48pm

Since the first gen i7 has only one chipset (X58), and my gigagyte GA-EX58-UD4P does not have win10 drivers, but my i7-980 on Asus P6x58-e-Pro has win10 drivers (of course has same x58 chipset). Could I use the updated Asus x58 drivers for the gigabyte motherboard?
To me, this need for external drivers for windows10 seems weird, what device needs drivers?
Are you using the proper original intel ICH10 X58 SATA ports ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub#ICH10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:X58_ ... iagram.png ) for your SSD and main drives? I wouldn't use the extra Realtek?/etc? dodgy SATA ports that are externally put on the MB to boost specs if those are the ones that need drivers.
Also before you install Windows 10 on your SSD, ensure that you have your ICH10 SATA controller set in the bios as "Configure SATA controller as: AHCI"
If you choose IDE then its the older crapper protocol. The other option is Intels RAID, I use to use this but one time it kicked one of my hard-drives out of my RAID 5 system for no good reason and it was very difficult to work out how to restore it all back. I got it all back to normal but I decided I wasn't going to use the Intel RAID mode via bios again.
All you need to do is do something as mundane as hit F5 in bios to reset to defaults and save and Intel won't recognise your Raid setup... You can restore it but like I said its a tedious process, I decided its too prone to losing the config and just run everything in AHCI, if I want RAID again I will just do it via windows or some other way.
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If you need SATA6 you need a PCIe card https://www.mwave.com.au/product/starte ... er-ab66958
But I have never bothered and always have just used the original Intel ICH10 SATA ports because it's all about the random read/write SSD drive performance that makes SSDs fast and this is still something even SATA 2 handles well. Even old record player style mechanical hard drives can possibly bottleneck a SATA2 on "sequential" reads/writes but we all know they are useless dog slow on random read/writes, this is only where it really matters.

If I was interested I would skip SATA altogether and get a PCIe x4 M.2 card for next-level speed.
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Typically the ONLY stuff that Microsoft with Windows 10 won't provide drivers for older hardware is stuff that is broken/ultra crappy. With some hardware the vendors refuse to make any compatible drivers for Windows 10 and for others MS might decide the device is so dodgy that they won't include support, but from my experience it has to be super-garbage hardware.
I don't use the MB sound chipset, I use the proper audio via HDMI out via the video card into my AV receiver amp.
Analog audio is old crap and I have all that stuff fully disabled in bios.
As Linus explains here even though in a kind of crappy way https://youtu.be/7ci7mFBuShQ?t=492 , the best way to get audio is out via your HDMI/DVI/DisplayPorts and its the ONLY way to get full HD 5.1 or higher channel surround sound out. The old analog or optical outs are hacks if they work at all for anything beyond basic stereo and are deliberately not supported by Windows 10 because its old non-standard crap. People who buy audio cards are pretty much being scammed.
I am dubious you would have sound driver problems if you just need simple stereo via analog outs.

Also, another thing to look into is some SSD drives back in the early days struggled with TRIM, it might be an issue where you somehow having something working on win7 but you need a newer SSD driver for win10?
I am dubious this could be a problem but you may want to look into it, you would have to have pretty much an ~8-year-old SSD drive for this to be a problem.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to? SparkyLinux of Course!

Post by kauaicycler » Nov 29 2019 12:08pm

I'm running SparkyLinux :bolt: on my Dell mini10 of course :wink: 8) https://sparkylinux.org. It's Debian based and runs well on my 32bit atom processor. Good OS for ES :bolt: :D

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Post by --Oz-- » Nov 29 2019 7:08pm

@TheBeastie
Thanks for your feedback.

I wish i could remember exactly what drivers were missing (it was motherboard related, not add in cards), this was ~8 months ago. I just got a couple of new 480 SSD's, I will try again with all your suggestions.

Long long ago I had a rockraid404 controller card, I had four 200GB drives in stripe mode (raid-0, speed), they worked great on xp for 7 years booting from them, until I tried Win7, it corrupted the array when win7 was looking for options to install, granted I was pissed, lol.

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Post by TheBeastie » Nov 30 2019 2:24am

--Oz-- wrote:
Nov 29 2019 7:08pm
@TheBeastie
Thanks for your feedback.

I wish i could remember exactly what drivers were missing (it was motherboard related, not add in cards), this was ~8 months ago. I just got a couple of new 480 SSD's, I will try again with all your suggestions.

Long long ago I had a rockraid404 controller card, I had four 200GB drives in stripe mode (raid-0, speed), they worked great on xp for 7 years booting from them, until I tried Win7, it corrupted the array when win7 was looking for options to install, granted I was pissed, lol.
No worries.
Also, you said disabling Hyperthreading helped stability, this is common.
I was just watching a YouTuber review this 12 core 24thread Xeon CPU and he found that disabling Hyperthreading the gaming benchmark FPS/performance improved https://youtu.be/3AR_VgBOMwo?t=553

Also don't be afraid to bump up your Vcore voltage... Disabling HT is almost like increasing your Vcore voltage as far as your CPU is concerned, there is more power being freed up just for your regular cores and thus runs more stable.
I got mine up considerably higher (the bios voltage core goes from Yellow/Purple/Red) I use RED Vcore voltages, as long as it doesn' go much above 70c degrees it seems perfectly safe, been doing it for a while now
I am running my X5675 on my Asus X58 motherboard I bought 10 years ago at around 4.7Ghz with HT on https://valid.x86.fr/j8fj6s
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With HT off it easily runs at 4.8Ghz https://valid.x86.fr/hkqiz4
This is Xeon CPU I bought off ebay for $45AUD and just popped in my X58 Asus MB to replace the old i7 920 CPU.
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It's amazing how a 10-year-old platform can be clocked to almost 5Ghz, and I am NOT using any special expensive fancy gear at all.
A lot of people think a PC older than 3 years is useless garbage but they are so wrong.

While this isn't for most people you can buy "Xeon motherboard set" from Aliexpress that are repurposed Facebook data-centre servers that have been dumped in the 100,000s (apparently) and repurposed by creative people in China to be sold in desktop motherboard format for home computers.
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale- ... d-set.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?ca ... rboard+set

Check out PhilsComputerLab for reviews https://www.youtube.com/user/philscomputerlab/videos

The cool thing about this stuff is the amount of cores Xeon's have, normally 6 is the minimum and all the servers use DDR3 Registered RDIMM ram, while any desktop PC can take ECC ram almost NO desktop motherboard can take Registered DDR3 ram, this causes this ram to be incredibly cheap, you can buy a Xeon 8 core CPU/motherboard set with 64GB ram for like $250USD, again its literally impossible to get server "Registered ram" to work in any standard desktop motherboard unless you have a workstation motherboard, the other way is to buy something like a Chinese PlexHD motherboard which has been rebuilt from the ground up to take server RDIMMs ram in a desktop format/case.

Check out the latest video review of Aliexpress server-to-desktop rebuilt hardware, I CAN'T stress enough this gear is only for nerds who do their homework, if you're not a nerd you will probably be an unhappy customer.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by Solderbro » Dec 10 2019 12:52pm

Short answer

For workload Fedora-31, for the gaming rig Win-10 but only and for nothing else than gaming. They can copy my savegames to Utah Datacenter but not my personal data.

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Post by --Oz-- » Dec 27 2019 3:48pm

@ TheBeastie
I really been taking a hard look at the PlexHD MB, 32GB and the E5-2689 chip, $200 shipped is smoking deal. I have watched several YT videos and all seems pretty straightforward. There was some talk about disabling some server services (septor or something).

I have been a PC gamer since the XT, built all my systems, so I have some knowledge/experience. Have you tried one of these server/PC systems?
Do they come with a MB cd for drivers or a website link or just pray Win10 finds all the drivers or?

Can you recommend a good Aliexpress PSU 800-1000W (I plan on having a bunch of HDD's plus)? I see a bunch of 1000W psu, but they say "max", I am thinking they are lightweight and not really worth the ~$30 and I should get something a little better.

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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by TheBeastie » Dec 29 2019 9:01am

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I really been taking a hard look at the PlexHD MB, 32GB and the E5-2689 chip, $200 shipped is smoking deal. I have watched several YT videos and all seems pretty straightforward. There was some talk about disabling some server services (septor or something).

I have been a PC gamer since the XT, built all my systems, so I have some knowledge/experience. Have you tried one of these server/PC systems?
Do they come with a MB cd for drivers or a website link or just pray Win10 finds all the drivers or?

Can you recommend a good Aliexpress PSU 800-1000W (I plan on having a bunch of HDD's plus)? I see a bunch of 1000W psu, but they say "max", I am thinking they are lightweight and not really worth the ~$30 and I should get something a little better.
Yeah, in reference to "septor", this is a Spectre security hole, apparently its never been officially released/used in the wild. This is a bug in almost all Intel CPU's except for Intels very latest CPUs, by default an up to date Windows 10 will block the vulnerability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_( ... erability)
Ideally, the CPU's microcode is supposed to be updated but for older stuff this is not likely to happen.
Probably only used by true security experts engaged in spear-phishing attacks will ever end up using it against people. https://www.kaspersky.com.au/resource-c ... r-phishing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_% ... Mitigation
according to Dell: "No 'real-world' exploits of these vulnerabilities [i.e., Meltdown and Spectre] have been reported to date [7 February 2018], though researchers have produced proof-of-concepts."

If you plan on using your new build for mission-critical data then maybe the latest hardware would be the best choice.

For recommended PSU's from Aliexpress I don't have any recommendations.
I am still on the same PSU I bought for my PC build from 10 years ago as it still runs great, the Antec Signature, I got it from a review way back then from JonnyGuru who has long been seen as the PSU review god.
https://www.jonnyguru.com/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2632

I used to only visit traditional text-written websites for tech hardware information but YouTube has taken over this area quite well, most of these YouTubers do have websites and Twitter/Facebook pages with sometimes good information as well.

https://youtu.be/5p1IwK9U7d4


Here is a guide on how to choose a PSU for your PC build. I would say buying locally just a major respected PSU brand should go well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXku-gsdyok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sThQTgDfjVg


A bunch of general PSU buying guides here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... sing+a+PSU

The only thing I have bought recently for my PC from Aliexpress was some 8GB DDR3 DIMMs, these were standard desktop ones but there were so cheap I was almost expecting them to not work, but they worked just fine.

I have been eyeing the idea of getting a Xeon CPU+MB+RAM set off Aliexpress but after just upgrading my i7 920 2.6Ghz CPU to the Xeon X5675 Hex core and overclocking it at 4.66Ghz I think I will be just fine for a fair while yet.
I am still on my original Asus X58 motherboard I bought 10 years ago as well.

One thing you should note with those Chinese Xeon desktop/workstation motherboards like PlexHD is they don't support any overclocking, the only overclocking you can possible is if you happen to buy a Xeon server CPU that happens to have its CPU core clock multiplier unlocked. There are some Xeons that have this.. so you can move the X23 multiplier to X26 etc and overclock that way, but there are no bus speed adjustments possible.

That is the advantage of having an original brand motherboard like my Asus X58 motherboard, all the bus speed overclock options in the bios etc, the standard bus speed is 133Mhz but I am running it at 203Mhz, so 203Mhz X23 = 4,669Mhz

So ideally when you buy a Xeon MB set from Aliexpress you want to buy a CPU with the highest frequency possible which of course always costs more. There are Xeon models that have their multiplier officially unlocked, forget which ones they are, naturally they will be more expensive.

The best YouTubers I have found that talk about and give ideas on building Xeon server CPU's for desktop usage has been PhilsComputerLab
https://www.youtube.com/user/philscomputerlab/videos

And "Tech YES City", this guy talks about a very wide amount of subjects.
https://www.youtube.com/user/bryaneasy/videos
He's a big fan of Aliexpress bargains like this newest video here https://youtu.be/urkfXGLFZkg
He also does X58 rebuilds, where he sources an old original Asus/Gigabyte X58 desktop motherboard and pairs it with a cheap server LGA1366 Xeon 6 core CPU and overclocks it https://youtu.be/cMn_zFvlxUo

What this guy loves most and what a lot of these Aliexpress likers all agree on are the performance/value of these "SNOWMAN CPU Coolers" which they claim are comparable to the famous Noctua CPU coolers, but at a fraction of the price.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/320506 ... 5a1221b9d6

If you watch enough videos from these two guys you should get a good understanding of what you can achieve.

When I was doing research and decided to upgrade my current PC to the Xeon X5675, but I also checked out a fair amount of this guys videos, this guy is Finnish so everything is subtitled and there is little point listening to his videos with sound on, but he's got some great comparisons of what can be achieved and the benchmarked results of performance of games you should get.
https://youtu.be/_XL-m6n16pU
https://youtu.be/8kfdKq5b6sk
https://youtu.be/YJVxpZHQaS0
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If you are really uncomfortable about buying from Aliexpress I have noticed some of these "xeon motherboard set" packages on Ebay as well.
Look on Ebay for something like "motherboard set X79 LGA 2011" or "X79 LGA2011 Motherboard Combo"
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_fro ... 9+Xeon+Set

It looks like they charge more when going via Ebay...
Here was the main keywords I would search for on Aliexpress when I was looking at these motherboard+CPU+Ram combos "X79 motherboard set with Xeon"
Here are some bookmarked Ali stores I had when I was doing research.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3303121 ... 392ffSvcIy
https://machinist.aliexpress.com/store/ ... 1aebK1k0xk
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3305754 ... 73b1TIjzWo
https://www.aliexpress.com/af/X79-mothe ... 1106064646
Overall these stores look less dodgy than the store I bought my ram from but I dont really know.

One idea I had was to try and find a bargain old X79 LGA2011 desktop PC on Facebook market place
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/me ... BEST_MATCH
There must be some people who are just hoping to get rid of their old PC so I can pick it up for a bargain, and then replace the CPU with a Xeon 8 core 20MB cached monster. But this turned out to be difficult, most people are asking for a lot of money for their old PC and a lot of them don't say what motherboard they have so its hard to know how to make a good match, and then you have to wonder if their old motherboard, while it might be a quality overclockable MB, might be on its last legs.

This was why I stuck to my old X58 PC and just upgraded the CPU to a Xeon, I still know exactly what I have.

For your question on driver hunting, I would expect that as long as you use Windows 10 and are connected to the internet all the drivers will be found and installed automagically... Sometimes it takes a few reboots and clicks of the "update windows" button of a fresh windows 10 install for windows to kick in and find any missing drivers for hardware.
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by neptronix » Dec 30 2019 4:35pm

re PSUs, you'd be surprised at how little power modern hardware requires.. it will only get lower over time.

My gaming rig has a high efficiency rated 250w seasonic power supply that powers 2 SSDs, a Nvidia 1060, and a 3.5ghz intel quad core from 2013, which is a watt guzzler compared to say, a newer 7/10nM CPU.

TDPs are on the way down, while computing power is on the way up..
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Re: When Windows 7 is dead in 2020 what OS will you migrate to??

Post by district9prawn » Dec 30 2019 6:08pm

I made the switch to Linux this year. Still some games and cad software which need windows. I didn't want to dual boot and didn't like mucking around trying to get them to run well under Linux. I've been running windows in a kvm which seems to give pretty much the same performance as a regular install.
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