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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby tomjasz » Thu May 18, 2017 1:37 pm

miunchy wrote:
abahanad wrote:
tomjasz wrote:
Artur wrote: But if you don't - dont touch it :)

Even if the pack exploded in a metal box nothing is going to stop a fire.


Check this interesting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnNId0mDnBo

Yes the piece around 6 minutes #4 is think, is why I have a 20MM ammo can with watertight gasket removed. I can charge two triangle packs, 20Ah or three Dophin packs at the same time. Lots a smoke...but no breakout fire. Asme sort of video with a steel bodied Vector style frame, smoke poured out of any van holes, but no flames! I don't worry so much about a well built Li Ion pack, but LiPo would have me thinking. Since all my work and bikes are under my house I take the safest route I can sort.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby Merlin » Thu May 18, 2017 2:03 pm

macribs wrote:Luckily I have not had any fires. But if the battery does turn into plasma I reckon there will be no saving the frame. Imagine how hot a li ion fire runs. Like 1000 degrees. Most likely that will heat frame, melt controller and wires damage bearings and might even weaken the frame. I think I would rather have side covers that do ventilate rather then a steel box that might explode.


maybe you misssed this BBQ? :P


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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby Artur » Thu May 18, 2017 2:24 pm

I think I have solution. What about steel case inside the frame is you want your battery to be sealed? I'm sure it is easy to build :-) I would do that in your situation. But I agree with mcrib it might explode . All the fires you see on YouTube can be explained with some reasons. The video up here was caused due to wrapped bms so no heat exchange if I remember correct. But I get your point for general users who might not familiar with many things it is better to have burned battery then burned bike of home! I think steel box out of steel sheet is the good option in this situation. I think we can try to build one for the size of the inner compartment of the frame and overcharge one lipo pack inside for the test.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby macribs » Thu May 18, 2017 2:26 pm

I\ve seen it, if it is the one with canned air. Nevertheless I would ditch a frame after a battery fire just to be on the safe side.
Imagine going 60 mph hitting a pot hole and your frame rips in two because fire did weaken frame.

No matter how we wrap our packs if a fire hits the bike and frame would be the least of my worries. I would worry more about house or garage catching on fire. And plastic covers or steel covers would not make a difference.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby tomjasz » Thu May 18, 2017 4:31 pm

Merlin wrote:maybe you misssed this BBQ? :P




Perfect, that the steel paneled bike I was referring to. All it needed was a new powdercoat according to the owner.
Artur's aluminum might hold up...
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby tomjasz » Thu May 18, 2017 4:38 pm

Artur wrote:I think I have solution. What about steel case inside the frame is you want your battery to be sealed? I'm sure it is easy to build :-) I would do that in your situation. But I agree with mcrib it might explode . All the fires you see on YouTube can be explained with some reasons. The video up here was caused due to wrapped bms so no heat exchange if I remember correct. But I get your point for general users who might not familiar with many things it is better to have burned battery then burned bike of home! I think steel box out of steel sheet is the good option in this situation. I think we can try to build one for the size of the inner compartment of the frame and overcharge one lipo pack inside for the test.



All the tests with venting had no explosions. You side panels with screens and Aluminum might hold up. See the test #4 with an ammo box in the posted 11 minute test video.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby tomjasz » Thu May 18, 2017 4:39 pm

macribs wrote:I\ve seen it, if it is the one with canned air. Nevertheless I would ditch a frame after a battery fire just to be on the safe side.
Imagine going 60 mph hitting a pot hole and your frame rips in two because fire did weaken frame.

No matter how we wrap our packs if a fire hits the bike and frame would be the least of my worries. I would worry more about house or garage catching on fire. And plastic covers or steel covers would not make a difference.



I imagine if it were steel tube or Aluminum tubes but the steel box....I dunno. Agreed I wouldn't want it in my garage either but there's at least some hope...
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby macribs » Thu May 18, 2017 8:12 pm

I would have ditched that frame directly after a fire like that. You can see the paint is starting to boil on the frame. Just for safety I would say spend another grand on a new frame if shit like that happens. Rarely does anyone rebuild a car or motorcycle after a fire. Vehicle gets scrapped. Pretty sure there is a reason for such actions.

I seldom tell people to behave or ride slow for safety as I know we all got a inner hooligan that needs feeding. But to ride hard one must have trust in the ride.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby Artur » Thu May 18, 2017 9:57 pm

It's all goes a bit off topic guys. Let's create a new topic if you want to discuss fire resistance of the frame. P.'s. I told aluminium just because it is lighter, we can make it from steel as easy as from other metal. Laser will cut anything )
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby Merlin » Fri May 19, 2017 5:58 am

macribs wrote:I would have ditched that frame directly after a fire like that.
up to you :mrgreen:
but you missed the point that there was alot of "hot smoke"....not really a fire


You can see the paint is starting to boil on the frame.
its not paint dude, its car wrap :mrgreen:

Just for safety I would say spend another grand on a new frame if shit like that happens.
no need for it. beside that, SIDEPLATES are aluminium. check temps when AL starts melting. -> no melting means? right. less temperature.
But a new Midi-E + Battery and stuff was 1.400€...so SHE paid her lesson.


Rarely does anyone rebuild a car or motorcycle after a fire. Vehicle gets scrapped. Pretty sure there is a reason for such actions.
Motorcycles this time has mostly AL Frames. And a burning Bike has mostly an open fire.
Here i want to point out again on the "nice feature" of an closed frame. We all know how it looks when a battery catch fire.
Impressive flames right. But what need Fire?.....It needs Air.....ALOT of Air. If the Fire dont get what i needs, it chokes.
There was not enough Air inside the Frame and not enough holes to suck air in to be a "Fire".
tons of Smoke, yes...but thats it.
Half an hour later i wanted to look inside the Frame + cool down everything to "ride home".
immediately after opening the Frame a Fireball comes out and everything inside was burning for a second. I closed it again.(No Air-No fire)
Cut Phase wires from Motor and nursed her bike home.
another Hour later i opened again...this time no fire, but i measured above 350°c Temps inside.
I know most ppl know this smoking dragon video....but maybe "the after" Video was missing ;D


I seldom tell people to behave or ride slow for safety as I know we all got a inner hooligan that needs feeding. But to ride hard one must have trust in the ride.


btw: not even the bearings of the Headset where damaged. Plastic insulation for rear Light, Bottom Bracket Bearing, PAS Disc etc is all Plastic, but wasnt damaged.
Top Side of the KeySwitch was also Ok and it stays in direct contact to the Frame.
If this frame WERE Aluminium i would change it too.....but steel needs probably twice higher temps to be "impressed"


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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby tomjasz » Fri May 19, 2017 5:02 pm

Merlin wrote:If this frame WERE Aluminium i would change it too.....but steel needs probably twice higher temps to be "impressed"



THANKS! Well played!
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby Artur » Sat May 20, 2017 5:24 pm

OK OK.. Guys, this is not Vector frame, so please dont post it here or I will ask to delete it as advertisement (or anty advertisement :lol: lol ) of other brands. I told you already :) Thanks
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby tomjasz » Sat May 20, 2017 6:51 pm

Artur wrote:OK OK.. Guys, this is not Vector frame, so please dont post it here or I will ask to delete it as advertisement (or anty advertisement :lol: lol ) of other brands. I told you already :) Thanks
UM, I don't think this is a thread you OWN.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby abahanad » Sat May 20, 2017 9:59 pm

tomjasz wrote:
Artur wrote:OK OK.. Guys, this is not Vector frame, so please dont post it here or I will ask to delete it as advertisement (or anty advertisement :lol: lol ) of other brands. I told you already :) Thanks
UM, I don't think this is a thread you OWN.

Even though he doesnt own the thread, he started it for people with the vector bike.
I dont think this is related and as a guy who is interested in vector i dont want to read loads of posts explaining something related to personal preference.
If you want a steel box to protect your garage from fires, go for it .
If people dont know how to deal with HV applications , learn more about it before putting yourself and others in danger.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby tomjasz » Sat May 20, 2017 11:09 pm

Fire protective designs are relavent. Plastic and aluminum panels are not. Sorry for the drift.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby Merlin » Sun May 21, 2017 8:56 pm

Artur wrote:OK OK.. Guys, this is not Vector frame, so please dont post it here or I will ask to delete it as advertisement (or anty advertisement :lol: lol ) of other brands. I told you already :) Thanks


gosh artur...
this is a public forum. if you want to advertise products i think make your own forum.
no one here said buy a qulbix because they have aluminium sideplates.
if you are scary about other brands, convince investors with your product or quality and dont try to block posts... :roll:

i would not answer, but as YOU advertised that a customer can HAVE aluminium or even steel sideplates and your website content sucks,
iam pretty sure every Vector customer who DONT KNOW THIS will be happy to know what could avoid the total loss of his bike BECAUSE OF THAT Videos ...

i think i dont have to remember about the complete burned down vector or? Nope sure....i would be very pissed buying a vector with Plastic plates and found later "information" that i could have
- expansion side plates for more space
- steel or aluminium covers

i saw your expansion side plates and they are great. this is months or maybe a year or more old....but your website does not say anything about TILL NOW.

please try to delete POSTS here...if you are successfull find a mod who will do this, i will leave immediately this forum for ever.....
this is the sphere......your complete business started here. with all guys spending their time here, sharing knowledge, success and paying thousands of dollars to try and find out what works(or not *lol)
without THIS FORUM you would never be more or less successfull with Vector.

so see this as a free advertisement for VECTOR that customers can have/buy D I F F E R E N T Side-Plates.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby Artur » Mon May 22, 2017 1:56 am

Merlin wrote:
Artur wrote:OK OK.. Guys, this is not Vector frame, so please dont post it here or I will ask to delete it as advertisement (or anty advertisement :lol: lol ) of other brands. I told you already :) Thanks


gosh artur...
this is a public forum. if you want to advertise products i think make your own forum.
no one here said buy a qulbix because they have aluminium sideplates.
if you are scary about other brands, convince investors with your product or quality and dont try to block posts... :roll:

i would not answer, but as YOU advertised that a customer can HAVE aluminium or even steel sideplates and your website content sucks,
iam pretty sure every Vector customer who DONT KNOW THIS will be happy to know what could avoid the total loss of his bike BECAUSE OF THAT Videos ...

i think i dont have to remember about the complete burned down vector or? Nope sure....i would be very pissed buying a vector with Plastic plates and found later "information" that i could have
- expansion side plates for more space
- steel or aluminium covers

i saw your expansion side plates and they are great. this is months or maybe a year or more old....but your website does not say anything about TILL NOW.

please try to delete POSTS here...if you are successfull find a mod who will do this, i will leave immediately this forum for ever.....
this is the sphere......your complete business started here. with all guys spending their time here, sharing knowledge, success and paying thousands of dollars to try and find out what works(or not *lol)
without THIS FORUM you would never be more or less successfull with Vector.

so see this as a free advertisement for VECTOR that customers can have/buy D I F F E R E N T Side-Plates.


I understood what you want to say about side covers. When I said off topic this was about discussing will or will not aluminium or steel burned through and other thing not connected anyhow to Vector frame owners, this is what thread is about.chill
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby madin88 » Tue May 23, 2017 11:54 am

Artur wrote:
tomjasz wrote:After watching the recent fires and the testing of lipo fires and seeing what happens with a completely steel battery box, I could NEVER buy a bike frame with plastic panels. I just watched a video of a fire and the smoke POURED out of the vents and holes, but the bike survived, as did the surroundings. Plastic panels? No thanks. Someone will no doubt claim they are rare happenings but I'm on the side of survival and keeping my house and garage.


you can order side panels from aluminium ;)


Aluminum? Did i miss something?
the sidecovers are made of dibond and this is a plastic-aluminum compound with allowed temperature range of -50 to +80°C, so it isn't much better as plastic sidecovers..

Well! it is no surprise form me that you are not really familiar with the products you are selling...

but I dont think it is a good idea to build a bike that supposed to burn. None of my bike ever had a problem with this.. If you know what you are doing - nothing worry about.. But if you don't - dont touch it :)


It seem like after you manged to get the "Vector e-bike catching fire" thread to be deleted it didn't happen anymore. Or what?
Oh please! many here know that it is a big lie..

btw: yes merlin, you even can get a whole thread deleted by the mods as you see :lol:
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby DasDouble » Tue May 23, 2017 5:38 pm

Im getting annoyed of this. Could we please turn of the fire catching bullshit theme? I want to read about experiences and know how of other riders who own a Vector, ´cause this is a "Vector bike and frame owner" - thread. If you want to talk stuff about other things, open a WhatsApp Group or whatever you want. I want to be messaged when something for me personally import gets written here. Dot.
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Re: Vector bike and frame owners.

Postby abahanad » Tue May 23, 2017 8:50 pm

Lets just stop with the fire thing, so what if an electric bike catches fire? The user/manufacturer should prevent this as much as possible but its never 100% fool proof.

Anyway, expecting the vector bike by tomorrow (actually today in like 8 hours or so) and will (hopefully) fully document the bike and what you actually get.

As we all know information about the fully built vector bikes are a bit scarce , i didnt even know that it comes with headlights and the dropper seatpost.
If artur and the vector team could work a bit on thier site and provide more information and what options could be chosen that would be nice (especially since new designs are coming).

When i made the order, i got an email asking me about my color preferance and weight , moto seat or normal seat and vented or non vented plates, it would be nice if i get to choose the material of side plates, extended or not (probably doesnt matter if you get the built bike with vectors battery) and fat version or not.

Did i say that i am really excited ?
I already have some parts i am going to replace (stem/handlebar/pedals and seatpost/saddle) and some proper street tires, ordered the 24x2.5 hookworms for the front and continental contigo 18x3 back for all weather performance and because the vector will be my commuter/car replacement.

I dont think i will ever need more than 3000 watts on my day to day usage, but the extra wattage is sure useful sometimes.
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