E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Yes it's time for another review of ebike crap!!

70/100x19 Bridgestone M403

This tire is a bad bitch! Rick you were correct.. I like this tire a lot better. For mostly off road riding this tire is the one.
First impressions:
The tire went on to the rim quite easily and compared to the VRM021 the carcass is more compliant. I set it up with my usual 15 psi, Running a moto tube and mr tuffy strips. riding out of the driveway I instantly felt the difference between the 2 tires. the M403 has a bit softer feel on pavement. It as a squishy character on pavement especially on higher speed turns. While I never thought that the tire was going to buckle or break loose it just doesn't feel as connected at the VRM did on tarmac which makes sense seeing as how this is an off road tire. If I added a bit more tire pressure I am sure that the feeling of riding on a jello pudding pop would be greatly reduced.

Off road the grip levels are night and day. This tire likes to be ridden aggressively. Mid corner body position adjustments are telepathic. The VRM would defiantly slide or grip depending on body position but the M403 is the VRM on crack. It's very specific to input and will react to more granular body, throttle and braking adjustments esp mid turn. In a high speed flat turn I can break the rear loose on throttle consistently. I can carry more speed in turns with this tire as well. I would consider the M403 a more advanced tire off road with much higher capabilities but it must be ridden hard to get all of the benefits. Of course the higher the speed the smaller the level of forgiveness but If you are on top of it this tire will give back in spades..
As far as climbing goes, while on the bike the tires have about the same level of grip which is because the motor does not have enough power to break them loose while climbing a hill. On the other hand when pushing the bike up hill, the 403's make the bomber into a little chugging tractor. Just lug it with a touch of throttle and it will climb anything.
On loose sandy down hills the grip levels esp when braking are fantastic. Braking modulation is a bit more specific but the braking limits are defiantly higher.
I have not had a chance to run the tire through muddy sections but I'm betting that the knobbies will clean themselves out better and have more overall grip in the mucky muck.
The years that I had the VRM on I never had a flat and I was running at 15psi (I weight 165lbs) I feel confident that this tire will be much the same.
I'm not sure about longevity, but even if its less than the VRM the trade off is worth it.

To wrap it up,
If you ride offroad this is the tire for you. If your riding 50% off road maybe not. Overall I dig it and am willing to give up some on pavement performance and feel for what it delivers off road...
 
Yah 1ABV, I figured you would like the M403 Bridgestone off road. It works on dry, wet, mud sand and regular dirt. If you ride a lot of pavement though, the knobs will wear quicker than VRM 021 and Shinko SR241. And there lies the issue, trials tires offer all around good performance, but the knobby tires will offer better off road, and not nearly as well on road, as you have noted. BTW, Great write up/review.
 
thanks man! i'll be doing another entertaining one soon..... btw when I looked into that battery pack from emp, It looks cool but seems a bit on the pricey side compared to others.. I'm now thinking of new controller/charger/battery pack.. Primarily for range. I was hoping to be in the high 20's- lows 30's amp range...
 
1abv said:
thanks man! i'll be doing another entertaining one soon..... btw when I looked into that battery pack from emp, It looks cool but seems a bit on the pricey side compared to others.. I'm now thinking of new controller/charger/battery pack.. Primarily for range. I was hoping to be in the high 20's- lows 30's amp range...

I know what you mean, my battery just took a shit on me, made it almost 7 years. It wont take a charge now. For 1400 bucks, I can get a 20S 20Ah pack from those guys. For a lot more, I can get a 22S 24Ah unit from Stealth. Not sure what I am going to do with the Bomber. My latest Ebike puts down 40KW of wheel power and goes 0-60MPH in around 2.6 seconds. So maybe going the route of a geared hub motor and lightweight drive train will be the route I take, just don't know yet.
 
Rix said:
I know what you mean, my battery just took a shit on me, made it almost 7 years. It wont take a charge now. For 1400 bucks, I can get a 20S 20Ah pack from those guys. For a lot more, I can get a 22S 24Ah unit from Stealth. Not sure what I am going to do with the Bomber. My latest Ebike puts down 40KW of wheel power and goes 0-60MPH in around 2.6 seconds. So maybe going the route of a geared hub motor and lightweight drive train will be the route I take, just don't know yet.

WoW 40KW ? Do you have your build somewhere in Endless Sphere to see what combo of frame, motor, controller, battery you use ?
 
icherouveim said:
Rix said:
I know what you mean, my battery just took a shit on me, made it almost 7 years. It wont take a charge now. For 1400 bucks, I can get a 20S 20Ah pack from those guys. For a lot more, I can get a 22S 24Ah unit from Stealth. Not sure what I am going to do with the Bomber. My latest Ebike puts down 40KW of wheel power and goes 0-60MPH in around 2.6 seconds. So maybe going the route of a geared hub motor and lightweight drive train will be the route I take, just don't know yet.

WoW 40KW ? Do you have your build somewhere in Endless Sphere to see what combo of frame, motor, controller, battery you use ?

I didn't build it, Alta did.
 

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icherouveim said:
Rix said:
Allex said:
Rix you dog! Post some videos with that thing huh!

Will do amigo mio.
Hey have you kept this electric monster secret from the community? it is a conversion right? I think it deserves a new threat with photos and videos.

I haven't kept it a secret per sei, I didn't post or talk about it on my usual ES threads because I didn't want to jack the thread topic. I guess I could start a topic under E Motorcycles. If you are curious about the EXR, check out this web link. https://www.altamotors.co/redshift-exr
 
Rix said:
tolkaNo said:
Lol so many people have snapped the rear shock mount on the fighter and those futr frames.

I only know of 2 FUTR failures. With the Fighter failures, the beauty of constructing the frames out of aircraft chromolly sheets is when something fails and lets go, it goes slowly. Anyway Stealth has stood behind every failure, I hope Pinotman sends Stealth his frame, it will either be repaired or a new one sent back.

Rix, i spoke with Stealth about this.. they did not offer nor did I ask for them to repair the frame.
i note this model Fighter #81 is a one piece frame not a bolt on triangle seat like the later models and unlike my Fighter #105.. so they must have changed the design early on at some point. I'm not the original owner of #81, I believe Stealth Tours in Melbourne was.. but I would have almost certainly voided any warranty I had buy cutting a hole in the frame to put in a power boost/eco switch ( for my 9 year old son) under the Triangle frame seat right where the crack was near . I'm sure that contributed to the crack... so I'm not blaming Stealth, I think their frames are great.

However there was no ribbing reinforcing the weld - as CD suggested this is the same as CD (Blake's) #66 and Jim Kirk's #77 fighter - so clearly a welder/labour/contracting issue with Stealth around those numbered fighters 66-81 so far..

The Weld has been done but the replacement shock I purchased for the broken shock ( DNM RCL 8 air shock) does not fit ( spring is too wide for the under seat bracket and rubs on the frame ).

I contacted Stealth and asked what shock they use for Fighters and what would work for me and this is what I was told they use a DNM Burner RCP- 2 S. i bought that at almost 1/3rd the Price somewhere else that Stealth wanted to charge me.

Anyway i was keen to get Fighter #81 back on the go.. so i cannibalized the shock from Fighter #81 a DNM PB RCP 650LBS spring shock and that fits as its 47mm wide at the spring point and the new own is a 550LBS spring Shock but its 550mm and does not fit.

I guess i will have to call around and ask Bike shops for a narrower spring.. seems strange. :cry:

I will fit the new Front forks tomorrow .. i tried to get the same as CD but they dont make Rockshox Domain RC anymore so i got the more expensive and much lighter Boxer Coil 200mm RC in black ( 568,, Axle to Crown) not sure if anyone her has 200mm forks on a Fighter or Boxers.. but i have Boxxer 200m RC Coils on another home made DH E-bike i have and it is an unreal ride and travel.

If any one has advice on the narrower spring i seemingly need or if you are in Aust. and you have upgraded your Stealth DMN shock and kept the old one and want to sell it to me ( if its working of course) im open.

cheers Nic
 
Hey Nic,

Sucks you've had those issues, but glad your getting there sorting it out.

My replacement Fighter is the newer type with the modular seat sub-frame and that all happened around mid 2012 from memory, so my guess is your right about the problematic Fighters being in the #65-85 range.

In regards to the rear shock not fitting, the newer design has the lower section of the seat post sub-frame with bowed cut-outs to accommodate the spring. Maybe you could cut out or grind back in order to fit the spring?

As for the 200mm front shock, I had this before I bought the Domain RC when I was using the 200mm DNM. The 200mm travel was nice and did work with the only draw backs being the steering limitation, weight, and slightly increased rake angle. I would have stuck with them, but I needed them for my Alpha and decided I would make my Fighter a more light weight, long range focused touring bike.

Cheers
 
Pinotman said:
Rix said:
tolkaNo said:
Lol so many people have snapped the rear shock mount on the fighter and those futr frames.


Rix, i spoke with Stealth about this.. they did not offer nor did I ask for them to repair the frame.
i note this model Fighter #81 is a one piece frame not a bolt on triangle seat like the later models and unlike my Fighter #105.. so they must have changed the design early on at some point. I'm not the original owner of #81, I believe Stealth Tours in Melbourne was.. but I would have almost certainly voided any warranty I had buy cutting a hole in the frame to put in a power boost/eco switch ( for my 9 year old son) under the Triangle frame seat right where the crack was near . I'm sure that contributed to the crack... so I'm not blaming Stealth, I think their frames are great.

However there was no ribbing reinforcing the weld - as CD suggested this is the same as CD (Blake's) #66 and Jim Kirk's #77 fighter - so clearly a welder/labour/contracting issue with Stealth around those numbered fighters 66-81 so far..

The Weld has been done but the replacement shock I purchased for the broken shock ( DNM RCL 8 air shock) does not fit ( spring is too wide for the under seat bracket and rubs on the frame ).
shock.JPG
I contacted Stealth and asked what shock they use for Fighters and what would work for me and this is what I was told they use a DNM Burner RCP- 2 S. i bought that at almost 1/3rd the Price somewhere else that Stealth wanted to charge me.

Anyway i was keen to get Fighter #81 back on the go.. so i cannibalized the shock from Fighter #81 a DNM PB RCP 650LBS spring shock and that fits as its 47mm wide at the spring point and the new own is a 550LBS spring Shock but its 550mm and does not fit.

I guess i will have to call around and ask Bike shops for a narrower spring.. seems strange. :cry:

I will fit the new Front forks tomorrow .. i tried to get the same as CD but they dont make Rockshox Domain RC anymore so i got the more expensive and much lighter Boxer Coil 200mm RC in black ( 568,, Axle to Crown) not sure if anyone her has 200mm forks on a Fighter or Boxers.. but i have Boxxer 200m RC Coils on another home made DH E-bike i have and it is an unreal ride and travel.

If any one has advice on the narrower spring i seemingly need or if you are in Aust. and you have upgraded your Stealth DMN shock and kept the old one and want to sell it to me ( if its working of course) im open.

cheers Nic

I didn't consider that you had to be the original owner of the frame for the warranty to apply. Get yourself some 1/16th cromolly flat bar and go to town on repairing and re-enforcing the frame.
 
5 years and still nothing can touch it. The greatest eBike ever made
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Rix said:
icherouveim said:
Rix said:
I know what you mean, my battery just took a shit on me, made it almost 7 years. It wont take a charge now. For 1400 bucks, I can get a 20S 20Ah pack from those guys. For a lot more, I can get a 22S 24Ah unit from Stealth. Not sure what I am going to do with the Bomber. My latest Ebike puts down 40KW of wheel power and goes 0-60MPH in around 2.6 seconds. So maybe going the route of a geared hub motor and lightweight drive train will be the route I take, just don't know yet.

WoW 40KW ? Do you have your build somewhere in Endless Sphere to see what combo of frame, motor, controller, battery you use ?

I didn't build it, Alta did.

OMG Rix!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
That's the most beautiful motocross e-moto I have seen so far (I already seen that beauty on some video). Please make a thread with a review of that e-moto. I already thought about selling my Honda VTR 1000F to finance the Alta. I don't know if there is a dealer here in Italy yet?
 
Rick
Nice ride!! love to hear about it! I think it may be a bit faster than a stealth..... just by a little bit.....
 
Theodore Voltaire said:
5 years and still nothing can touch it. The greatest eBike ever made
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I am about 4 months shy of the 7 year mark, and my battery has finally failed on Bomber #143. Over 16000 miles, mostly off road. Pretty impressive feat.
 
bigbore said:
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WoW 40KW ? Do you have your build somewhere in Endless Sphere to see what combo of frame, motor, controller, battery you use ?

I didn't build it, Alta did.
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OMG Rix!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
That's the most beautiful motocross e-moto I have seen so far (I already seen that beauty on some video). Please make a thread with a review of that e-moto. I already thought about selling my Honda VTR 1000F to finance the Alta. I don't know if there is a dealer here in Italy yet?
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Here is the link for my Alta EXR review. https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=96775&p=1417835#p1417835
 
Well finally purchased new pack 72v24ah with 72v 3amp charger. From EMP.. total cost $2,055. With coupon code
"NewEmp". Plus $60 Hazmat delivery to Florida.
Trying to save money couldn't choke up $2,800 plus $300 for charger and $400 shipping. And I'd have to send my old controller back to stealth to beef up traces to handle the 22s
I hope I made a good choice.
 
The $60 delivery was included the total with delivery was $2,055.
$900 more than China assembled pack.
$1,500 cheaper then stealth but little bit less power
At 22s vs 20s .
 
FL bomber said:
The $60 delivery was included the total with delivery was $2,055.
$900 more than China assembled pack.
$1,500 cheaper then stealth but little bit less power
At 22s vs 20s .

Let us know how it works for you.
 
Rix said:
Theodore Voltaire said:
5 years and still nothing can touch it. The greatest eBike ever made
13393994_865515786893570_5734220179543458867_n.jpg

I am about 4 months shy of the 7 year mark, and my battery has finally failed on Bomber #143. Over 16000 miles, mostly off road. Pretty impressive feat.

I think I'm going to want a new one before next summer.I have my eye on the battery from las vegas. I think it's about $500 too much though.
 
Rix said:
John, think this would work for our ebikes? https://www.circuitspecialists.com/csi10015.html

Youtube aVe channel BoltR did a video on milwaulkee, he used the csi3010sw it has cc and cv

https://youtu.be/D2jshlcZmEQ?t=1184

https://www.circuitspecialists.com/csi-power-supplies
 
FL bomber said:
The $60 delivery was included the total with delivery was $2,055.
$900 more than China assembled pack.
$1,500 cheaper then stealth but little bit less power
At 22s vs 20s .

Yeah would love to hear how this works out for you!
 
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