Cyclone 3000w winter project

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Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Nov 28 2018 11:42am

I received my cyclone 3000w kit from Luna and I plan to install it on my Rocket 1 mountain bike over the winter. The stock mounting seems inadequate and they are out of stock on the upgraded mount. I can tell that it will take some work to get it right but I have all winter. Anybody know of any better mounts available let me know. I'm not sure if my chain ring 48 48 24 will fit so I may have to order a smaller one. I may order the ISIS crank. I plan to use a 72 volt battery mounted in a triangle bag. I will update on the build and welcome suggestions and comments.
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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by pwd » Nov 28 2018 1:14pm

Hey Dom,

i'm glad to see you will be starting your winter build. If you haven't seen it check out the large cyclone thread here:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... start=3050

That bike looks like it has lots of room for a battery.

How much did your kit end up costing after taxes/duty? I'm tempted to try a mid-drive build too.
Current Build:
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Magic Pie 4 front + Leafmotor 1500 rear w/ WCEC 18fet
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Old Build:
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Golden Motor Magic Pie (internal controller) X2
14S3P 15aH: 6X 6S 5000mAh + 3X 2S 5000mAh LiPo packs
My thread: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 5&p=693208

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Nov 28 2018 2:07pm

I paid $ 389.90 for the kit because I upgraded some stuff then I paid $55 shipping and that was it $ 449 90 US dollars. delivered by FedEx I think they collected the taxes or shipping price included the taxes. I have not seen my statement but that is what I am expecting to see.

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Nov 28 2018 2:40pm

Tommm wrote:
Nov 28 2018 12:18pm
Did you forget these?
https://lunacycle.com/parts/cyclone-par ... clone-kit/
I still to have to buy a lot of stuff to get this kit built so I definitely will consider it. Thanks

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by minimum » Nov 28 2018 3:29pm

If you have basic means and skills to fabricate, then I would suggest a simple block of aluminum between front and back motor bracket. Snug fit, pressed in line between BB and motor axis. then drill through bracket from both sides, two holes each side at ends of that block. Remove block, drill holes to suitable depth and cut thread. Re-drill holes in brackets larger, to accommodate bolts going thru to threaded holes.
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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Nov 28 2018 4:27pm

That's a great idea and it's similar to the idea that I had. I also would like to have a bracket or clamp on the tube frame and connecting to the motor so I don't have to use that silly worm clamp. But really the upgraded clamp from luna would save me having to make this stuff so I plan to inquire about availability.

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Dec 04 2018 2:44pm

I decided to do away with the derailer because it would not work. From what I've read 10 gears is more than enough. Heck the Sur Ron does not have any gears. I am surprised about how stiff the stock mount is. The metal is very rigid. I can't get any movement just by hand. The old mount grabbed the motor in a weak way and at a bad location. I still plan to add reinforcements but to a lesser extent. Do people find the new mount to be inadequate and which way does the motor move, to the right and down?
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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by minimum » Dec 05 2018 12:56am

If you run it at 40A and below then stock mounts are good enough for most cases.
Stock motor chain tensioner needs only one (or two if you're lucky) derailment to render it unusable.

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Dec 06 2018 10:23pm

Reinforced the mount bent and welded 1/8 metal, seems good enough for now. I will keep this tensioner and see how long it lasts. Chain lines up nice
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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Smoke » Dec 07 2018 2:21am

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I think this might be better if the brace was a "Z" shape to turn the trapezoid between the bottom bracket and motor in to two triangles.

You could also fold over the edges of the "/" of the "Z" to resist buckling under compression stress.

A triangle is a stable shape and it translates every force at the vertices in to pure tension or compression in the sides, no bending forces. This is why trusses are made up of triangles.

Trapezoids, parallelograms and other polygons having more than three sides don't make very good structures, your " ] " shape brace makes the trapezoid in to two smaller trapezoids. It may be somewhat effective but force on the motor will still create bending moments on the plates.
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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Dec 07 2018 9:02am

Did not want to reroute the derailer cable and this limited my options

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by pwd » Dec 07 2018 3:28pm

Hey Dom, thanks for sharing your updates. I'll probably end up doing something similar with the bracket if/when I do a mid drive build. The winter is bad for me hahah, I spend a lot of time reading and the shopping list for ebike stuff just continues to grow. So your bike's derailleur won't shift from 48 to 24? What exactly was the issue?
Current Build:
Rocky Mountain Element
Magic Pie 4 front + Leafmotor 1500 rear w/ WCEC 18fet
em3ev 14S5P 30Q + 14S6P 25R pack

Old Build:
GIANT ATX 980 w/ Cycle Analyst v2.25
Golden Motor Magic Pie (internal controller) X2
14S3P 15aH: 6X 6S 5000mAh + 3X 2S 5000mAh LiPo packs
My thread: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 5&p=693208

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Re: Cyclone 3000w winter project

Post by Domhelp » Dec 07 2018 5:04pm

Hi,

You definately need a fat bike or a snowmobile for winter in your area. The derailleur would not work for two reasons. The size difference between 24 and 44 teeth means that when on 24 the derailleur is too high on the frame so the chain is hung up on the back of the derailleur, my mistake should have ordered a bigger gear I think 32 0r 36 would not have this problem. Also the derailleur will not extend far out but maybe it could have been adjusted. My 44 tooth sprocket just misses the chainstay so this is an issue that everyone may have depending on their particular bike. I cannot fit a 48 tooth so I hope I like my top speed. I'm sure that I can get another derailleur to work but I don't think I'll need one. Edit...I did order a 48 tooth and it just barely fits.

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