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Vintage GT Palomar BBS02 BMX Klunker

Post by Wolfeman » Jan 15 2020 1:07pm

So my last build, a Dyno Moto 7 cruiser that became a BBS02 powered street klunker turned out exactly the way I wanted. It is user friendly for new e-bikers, PAS only and really comfortable. My oldest daughter loved it so much, it became her bike. This of course was the perfect excuse to build yet ANOTHER ebike. Off to CL where I found a 1999 GT Palomar hardtail. I love the older bikes with rim brakes and steel frames. Basic and easy to work on.

Parts are a BBS02 from Luna with the 500c mini display and left thumb throttle for a little more control, HK Multi-stars from the battery drawer in a 14S 16aH series set-up, new Schwalbe Marathon knobbies (no flats) a Raceface 32T chainring for better climbing and trail riding.

After doing a couple of previous builds, this one went together really easily. I wanted it to be fairly stealthy and low key, so went for a rack mounted bag with battery. I'm really curious to see how the BBS02 performs with the smaller chainring and the 14S pack. With 16aH on board, I think range will be pretty respectable. Good bike for exploring trails and paths.
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Finished build
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Trimming zip ties
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Series harness with anti-spark XT90
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Post by Wolfeman » Jan 19 2020 1:01pm

First impressions on a hardtail mounted BBS02....

My learning curve with ebikes has been an interesting one. My first one was a 2000W DD rear hub build that quickly went up to 3.6kW and was an absolute joy to ride. All throttle, all the time. 45+ mph,tire shredding, brake pad killing, spoke popping good times all around. The quest for, "More Power!!!!" eventually made smoke (84V @ 90A) and the venerable TREK is currently still out of service, but due to return new and improved at some point.

My second bike was almost a polar opposite with a PAS only BBS02 at 48V. Still fun, but in a laid back, enjoy the scenery kind of way. It even has a cup holder 8) .

This third build is actually my favorite so far. With 52V and the 32T chainring, this BBS02 has more performance than I hoped. It is an absolute mountain goat on trails, climbing easily while keeping RPMs up and staying nice and cool. The throttle is a really nice addition too. It seems that this build combines my favorite features of my two previous builds. It is fast enough (26-28 mph / 41-45 kph), but really shines on trails. That being said, the rear rack battery is not my favorite, too much weight hanging too high up and too far out back. It really messes up the CG of the bike. Think I'll put together a backpack battery, but want to find a lipo charging sack to keep the pack in just in case.
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Re: Vintage GT Palomar BBS02 basic build

Post by SlowCo » Jan 19 2020 3:40pm

Nice build!
How many teeth is your biggest rear gear?
And why not place the battery pack in the frame triangle?

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Post by Wolfeman » Jan 21 2020 12:22pm

SlowCo wrote:
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Nice build!
How many teeth is your biggest rear gear?
And why not place the battery pack in the frame triangle?
Thank you SLoCo. Biggest rear gear is 34T, and I'm still trying out different battery options for this bike. Right now I've got the 14S pack in a backpack and I'm liking it, but putting it on and plugging in every time is not convenient. I'll likely go back to a frame mounted pack, but had never tried a backpack batt so thought I'd give it a try. One of the really nice things about the backpack however is that the bike stays nice and light and the CG is low (until I get on 8) ).
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Post by SlowCo » Jan 21 2020 1:47pm

Yes, I have the same problem of the CoG going way up when I mount my bike :shock:

I'll be building up a (low budget) full suspension mountain bike with a BBS02B soon. But first I'm trying to finish a bike build with a simple brushed 1016Z motor. As soon as I start the BBS02 build I'll start looking for more builds like it on this forum to see how to do it.

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Post by Wolfeman » Jan 24 2020 4:59pm

So finally got a chance to take the GT trail riding today. Did about 10 miles on nearby dirt trails and experimented with using both PAS and throttle. This inexpensive used MTB with a BBS02 is the most fun trail bike I've ever ridden. With the RaceFace chainring, it climbed everything I pointed it at. It was light, nimble, surefooted and predictable.
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Now I just have to clean it.... 8)
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Re: Vintage GT Palomar BBS02 basic build

Post by Wolfeman » Jul 06 2020 10:27pm

Update time:

Like most of the DIYers here, I periodically really enjoy putting my bike up on the rack and tinkering with it. Tonight was one of those nights. You drink a couple good beers, listen to some good music (Stick Figure on Spotify) and tinker on your beloved ebike out in the garage. As a husband, father of teenagers, employed adult, etc., this time is precious and to be savored. You know how it is. Tonight I cleaned, adjusted cables, re-did zip ties, beefed up my wiring from the battery to the BBS02, put on a little mud fender and just really enjoyed tinkering on my bike.
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Current state of affairs
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Figured while all the really commonly used items were out on the bench it was a good time for a pic. We probably all have a similar assortment. DIYers, pay attention you'll need this stuff. Heat gun, heat shrink assortment, good adjustable soldering iron, a good sized bag of male/female XT90 connectors, decent beer, bluetooth speaker, good lighting, extra wire, etc.....
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Get yo'self the tools
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Discovered a cool trick this evening while tinkering. Need to solder wires while the drive is still on the bike and don't want to make a soupy mess of it? Use your hobby grade helping hand device and a good strong magnet. The helping hand is secured to your steel frame with a good magnet, and voila, stable soldering for clean connections.....
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Hit the easy button.....
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That's about all for now, just wanted to update the thread. The GT has about 500 miles on it now and is a fantastic general purpose ebike. If anyone reading this is contemplating a first conversion, do it. Ebikes are the most fun hobby I've ever been involved in. The are so enjoyable to ride, build and maintain. I use mine for fun daily and to commute to work regularly. I started with a well used CL find ($175), added a Luna BBS02 and am slowly adding parts until it's just right. Hope everyone is well and enjoying their awesome ebikes during this challenging time.
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Post by Wolfeman » Aug 31 2020 8:31pm

The ever trusty Palomar's BBS02 hit 600 miles just the other day and I was getting the itch to make the next improvement.

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Ordered 26" x 2.4" Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires from Bike 24 in Dresden, Germany. Shipping was fast, communication fast and clear and the tires were delivered well packed and in perfect condition. I LOVE these tires.
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Post by soaresdacosta » Sep 04 2020 10:03am

Nice. Very nice.
I feel the same with the time on my garage. Im building another ebike, and still waiting for 90% of the parts, and I kill some time, just looking at it.
Take care,
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Post by Wolfeman » Oct 03 2020 7:04pm

Update to the post/blog for this super fun bike. My old clunky 7 speed rear deraileur ate a stick on the way home from work the other day and was beyond saving. My LBS has a nice new Acera on the shelf for $10 cheaper than Amazon and I think it suits the bike really well.

The Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires are my favorite ebike tire so far for general purpose commuting/fun use. They are really grippy at deep lean angles and I got a goat head thorn through the sidewall the other night. They are smooth, fast, quiet and cool looking. Most of the time I ride this thing like an oversized BMX bike, swoopy, fast, curb hopping fun.
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It still needs a Lekkie 36T for better chain alignment and I think some polished silver 170mm Lekkie Buzz Bars would be pretty sweet. There's always gotta be something to look forward to right?
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Post by Wolfeman » Dec 05 2020 4:33pm

The GT just hit 1100 miles the opther day and I figured it was time for an update. Since the last post I've added a Lekkie 36T bling ring and 170 mm buzzbars to the BBS02. These 2 improvements are probably my favorites yet. The Lekkie parts are beautifully designed and machined and really seem to up the quality of this humble hardworking little mid-drive.
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Lekkie bling....
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The Lekkie 36T ring works perfectly with the new Acera derailer, and I get full use of my 7 speed cassette with no skipping or shifting problems. A new KMC chain rides the teeth, transferring all 1.3 kW of goodness to the back wheel.
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Chain and derailer
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Overall, this old steel frame hardtail really shines with this setup. The 52V 16aH lipo battery is still going strong after approx 3000 miles on different bikes. Voltage sag is minimal and range with PAS in 2 or 3 is easily 45 miles. The BMX handlebars are still my favorite for a more upright riding position, frankly I'm surprised more folks don't run them.
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One thing I still want to change is the brakes. I put on Kool Stop MTB pads which work excellent, but the brakes themselves are cheap and wonky. Lots of good options out there, especially the Paul Components Moto-Lites.
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Post by methods » Dec 05 2020 10:11pm

ripping hard

Thanks for your contribution.

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Increasing battery voltage and controller current limit will result in a non linear experience

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Post by Wolfeman » Dec 08 2020 12:44pm

methods wrote:
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ripping hard

Thanks for your contribution.

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Thanks dude
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Post by motomech » Dec 10 2020 12:10am

Take care of those MultiStars, they are no longer available.
Of course the smaller bricks can be replaced with high-value 25C Turnigys, but the big bricks, like your 10 Ah are hard to find and cost an arm and a leg.
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Post by Wolfeman » Dec 11 2020 3:57pm

motomech wrote:
Dec 10 2020 12:10am
Take care of those MultiStars, they are no longer available.
Of course the smaller bricks can be replaced with high-value 25C Turnigys, but the big bricks, like your 10 Ah are hard to find and cost an arm and a leg.
Hey Moto, yeah I noticed. I still have 3 16aH 6S packs and 2 16aH 4S packs. Gonna have to eventually switch to the Turnigy Graphene packs.
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Post by Wolfeman » Feb 13 2021 1:37pm

The trusty GT continues to rack up miles, just about to hit 1300. Took it on a trip out to the California coast last weekend, back to where I grew up.
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Rode it out to the beach, decided to turn left and just keep riding. Schwalbe Super-Moto X 2.4" tires do surprisingly well on sand.

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This was one of those days that was almost too perfect. 67 degrees, sunshine, a light breeze, a great bike, etc....
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Post by 99t4 » Feb 13 2021 8:20pm

You keep it so clean!

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Post by Wolfeman » Feb 14 2021 12:14pm

99t4 wrote:
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You keep it so clean!
Thanks :D
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Post by soaresdacosta » Feb 14 2021 7:14pm

Nice.
In here, we can not go to the coast...or anywhere. Everybody stay in home.
I'm starting a wood piece to make a mockup for my torque plates... Its a carbon frame... :shock:

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Post by Wolfeman » Feb 15 2021 1:05pm

soaresdacosta wrote:
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Nice.
In here, we can not go to the coast...or anywhere. Everybody stay in home.
I'm starting a wood piece to make a mockup for my torque plates... Its a carbon frame... :shock:

Luis.
Hi Luis.That's funny, I literally am checking ES because I was curious about how your build was going.

I was fortunate enough to receive the vaccine because I am a teacher. I still wear 2 masks in public and take lots of precautions, but things are insane here in the US. It's like half our country still doesn't believe Covid-19 is real.
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Post by soaresdacosta » Feb 15 2021 6:16pm

Hi,

Have some projects going on. I'm installing solar-power on my house, and have a new love... wood.
I'm waiting on my third bottom bracket to arrive. They are press-fit and a pain in the butt to take out...In the meanwhile I'm build a "prototype" in hood of the torque plates. This carbon frame its not fun for that.
In the beginning of the year, I got sick with Covid... Not fun. I work in a airport, and the risk was hi.
Portugal is stop. The numbers are decreasing, but we still have a long way to go.

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Post by Wolfeman » Feb 16 2021 12:30pm

Hey Luis, glad to hear Portugal is slowly getting better. The US is now on the right track after getting rid of Trump, but we have soooo far to go. I've traveled a lot of Europe, but I haven't been to Portugal yet. Most of my time has been spent in Norway and Italy (family).
That wooden display box is beautiful, a suitable place for a Jimmy Page anthology for sure. Maybe someday you can combine your two passions into a project... :D

Have a great and safe day
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Post by SlowCo » Feb 16 2021 2:20pm

I really like your BMX style BBS02 build. I'm waiting on a new chain for my own BBS02 build on a FS MTB. I have a handle bar riser at the moment but if I want an even higher more upright riding position I might copy your idea of using a BMX handle bar :thumb:
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Hi,
Have some projects going on. I'm installing solar-power on my house, and have a new love... wood.
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Maybe someday you can combine your two passions into a project... :D
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Post by Wolfeman » Feb 16 2021 10:40pm

Thanks SlowCo, I can't say enough good about the BMX bars. They are ideal for slightly older dudes like myself, especially ones who have neck flexibility issues.
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