Brushed alloy hardtail, 1500w 45amp KT, 52v 25r 50amp BMS, Mk1, 1st luv :)

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Brushed alloy hardtail, 1500w 45amp KT, 52v 25r 50amp BMS, Mk1, 1st luv :)

Post by Greendog » Jul 01 2021 6:41pm

Greetings all of Endless sphere :es: from Greendog,
Great work everyone some truely exellent Ebikes and other mean machines found here. I'm looking forward to adding my creations to the list.
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In there natural environment
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Thanks everybody for the collective knowledge that makes ES a great EV resource and community,
Very impressed with the level of engineering and inspired by the photography skills.
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Geometric
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Building my bike took bit more time than i first expected, :pancake:
but that was fine as it was a lot of fun,
i learnt lots building my first ebike, if i post all of the process hopefully it maybe of help to others doing similar bike builds. Will try do more pics of work involved next time,
Doing lots of research makes build go smoother and even then you will encounter unexpected challenges but that's half the fun.
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Parts building up to critical mass
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Some carbon bits more for looks than function
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I got lucky with frame in two areas, the down tube is hydroformed squareish which makes the battery cradle more secure, giving a flatter surface to bolt on than a tube on most frames.
Secondly the frame is just big enough to fit a large 1500w (2200 peak on 52v ) kunteng controller between battery and top tube. 8)
To mount the battery securely and in a low position, required installing two extra rivnuts in addition to the existing bottle mounts, one either side of them.
I used the bolt with two nuts on ,then counter rotated method to install the rivnuts, :|
i recommend getting a rivnut installation tool as I did on my next build as this makes a critical area of the build much easier.
I started by test fitting the battery,
marking where the battery cradle/base needs to be,
then just the cradle to mark where the holes for the rivnuts should go so they land on ok areas for fixings in the cradle.
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Cool in the city and hills
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Four fix points feels secure, I've not had any issues even after couple crashes and lots rattling rocky down hill runs :D , maybe could get away with just three with a light battery and on road.
The cradle needed more holes drilled to match the extra rivnuts, lower two went in non standard places, one in the aluminum bottom portion of cradle, as found on the hailong cases that can accommodate a small controller in the battery case,
mine won't be going there so lots of room for big washer and m5 bolt, the other ended up under the battery to cradle connection,
i used a low profile head bolt to avoid interference, the other two went into the plate provided on the cradle, just needed use grinding bit on a drill to extend the bottom slot a little,
while grinding I also counter sunk the hole in aluminium part of battery base/cradle to accommodate the rivnut top on the frame, and removed some of the plastic at the top and bottom of cradle to match the profile of the down tube, after that it sat nice and flush.
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Swampy
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Probably best not go through there love ebikes hate cleaning them
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Next i needed get headset in, be nice to have correct tool to install but I just used my default multi tool a big hammer and lump of wood : ) as I had the hammer to hand i put an m6 in the star fangled nut and whacked that in the steerer tube.
So front end on, wheel, fork, bars, saddle done,
Having these on means you can turn bike upside down which makes installing the hub motor rear wheel easier.
Getting the wheel in was bit tight needed to stretch the stays out a bit 4mm each side,
The cassette side needed about 4 washers I substituted these for a nut instead, ground down to right width added bonus of now gnarled surface on nut for inside of dropout bolt up against.
I ordered a hub motor with cassette which meant it came with a 12mm axle on gear side and 14 on the other, bit odd but the dropouts needed to be filed deeper so i compensated by making one side a bit shallower so 5mm one side 3 the other.
probably just go with seven speed freewheel next time as cheaper and bit slimmer and axles equal you don't use gears much with the 1500w anyway, :wink:
How deep you can go depends on how much material there is on your dropout you don't want to go to far,
As this will weaken them and be aware as wheel goes further into the dropout it puts the position of rotor deeper in the caliper,
I used a hand file and grinding bit on a drill,
go slow as you want a tight fit axle flats are 10mm,
qr dropouts are 9mm so barely half a mm of the flat sides of the dropout I used the inside of washers provided as a template to scribe a line to know how far to go with the filing,
The caliper was very close to the motor and rotor not central , filing the caliper mount on frame sorted this,
this whole process required test fitting the wheel far to many times than I care to remember, :roll:
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while bike upside down and took chance make sure wheels dished accurately and ran true, nice tight spokes,
Then tyres and torque arm was installed,
With tyres on could put bike tyre side down now felt great making progress and get a feel how bike gonna look fresh set of tyres always looks great,
Then chucked on some deore hydro's, SRAM 8speed ,single speec170 crank with bashring
Next was controller used a bag which was tight squeeze between battery and top tube I used load sticky back Velcro its not visible and very secure, chucked a chain on,
bit of a clearance issue the deraileur getting caught on motor cover bolts could solve with a spacer behind cassette but I just wound in limit screw and lost highest gear not needed anyway, and i like the peace of mind it and chain being that bit further from spinning motor,
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No doubt this beast used all terrain all weather
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couldnt wait to go for ride so hooked up screen and pas, didn't have to do the brake switches as not needed might add regen button later though.
I cut the full twist throttle that came with kit in half to make a half twist later upgraded to a left hand thumb throttle,
got busy with zip ties,
Went for a blast, needless say I loved it, :D reminded me scrambler bike I had as a youth, lots of excess cable looked like a science experiment :bolt: , acually rode it like this for month before I bit the bullet and tidied wires by cutting and soldering left halls too small to many to be worth it , I recommend a bit of practice soldering if you not done much , the joys of ebiking, soon as I finished bro wanted one so had the fun of making a its twin to :mrgreen:
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2nd bike for bro
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Re: Brushed alloy hardtail, 1500w 45amp KT, 52v 25r 50amp BMS, Mk1, 1st luv :)

Post by markz » Jul 02 2021 12:54am

Ya you are hooked now, in no time you will be wanting more power and more speed, building bikes for family and friends and strangers. I find 48V 40A the sweet spot for me, but it'd be nice to have 52V 80A for that occasional steep hill, I have a few hills I avoid because it involves to much pedaling.
Went for a blast, needless say I loved it, :D reminded me scrambler bike I had as a youth, lots of excess cable looked like a science experiment :bolt: , acually rode it like this for month before I bit the bullet and tidied wires by cutting and soldering left halls too small to many to be worth it , I recommend a bit of practice soldering if you not done much , the joys of ebiking, soon as I finished bro wanted one so had the fun of making a its twin to :mrgreen:

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Re: Brushed alloy hardtail, 1500w 45amp KT, 52v 25r 50amp BMS, Mk1, 1st luv :)

Post by monkmartinez » Jul 02 2021 6:12pm

Very nice write up! Learned a lot just by reading what you had done. I will definitely will make use of the rivet tip!

The bikes look great, very clean and detailed with all the bits tucked in. Good ideas on placement of the components.

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Re: Brushed alloy hardtail, 1500w 45amp KT, 52v 25r 50amp BMS, Mk1, 1st luv :)

Post by Greendog » Jul 03 2021 7:59pm

Appreciate your comments markz and Martinez, thanks I was surprised how clean wires ended up after i cut them shorter and lost a few unwanted connectors , was bit of jumble at start ,for some reason LCD3 screen came with about 10ft of cable, OK for a triple tandem or a 20ft long rickshaw style bike with controller in the back ( amberwolf ) :wink: looks like be worth making my own shaped pack as well, having BT bms and full squish frame looking very tempting , 80amp controller yeah of course :wink: if you like speed the instant torque of electric is ace, I did think what if more power ,but is lot of expense just so can pull power wheelies,
i already beat cars at the lights , only up to 28 mph though :lol: ,I did upgrade the battery from 48v to 52v with excuse i needed the 48 for another bike ,
both able put out the 45amps needed to feed my controller so not much improvement there ,but i get the fresh of the charger feeling for much longer with the 52v and better range,
might upgrade to a sabvoton or something with FOC at some point gotta kill my KT first and i have two prob be a while,
honestly not much point dumping lot more power in motor as think is just wasted as heat, already when I'm full power on flat,
it feels like I get more power if I back off bit for a second, bit like what petrol carburetor bikes do (for those of us on here old enough remember what a carb is :wink: ) am I even allowed say carburetor on this site feels like I'm saying a bad word :lol: could this be the motor getting saturated or maybe hitting limits of controller,
I do know what you mean about sweet spot , 48v @40 amps plenty 1920watts peak would = about 25mph on my bike and not slow getting there not bad considering I weigh at least 160lb and would easy pull me up steep hills is nice have bit of power then, but only uses about 500w on pas 2 when i actually pedal, as i like to up hills to save motor, and I then i can tell myself i got some exercise, :lol: any faster than this just gets annoying with bumps and wind noise on an converted mtb, like others have said on here if need go faster need electric motorbike set up,
i for sure wouldn't want a heavier battery my bike is optimal now, and just light enough I can lift over fences and gates when I want to, did have to add the extra weight of a cheap/functional triple fork didn't feel right relying on QR release at speed,
feels much better now with a 20mm axle and much Less likely have loose wheel over bars incident :oops:
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Better safe than sorry
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all that being said think my next project going be something like this
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Re: Brushed alloy hardtail, 1500w 45amp KT, 52v 25r 50amp BMS, Mk1, 1st luv :)

Post by FlexyFly » Jul 14 2021 8:56am

Great bikes. It's nice to know that someone takes great care of the equipment and keeps it in good working order, not many people take the time to do that nowadays. And the pursuit of perfection is commendable too.

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Post by Greendog » Jul 17 2021 11:35am

:es: So treated myself to a couple of upgrades one essential other because I believed sales pitch, :roll:
Had to replace screen as I had a bit of a tyres wrong way up moment last winter , hit an ice patch I had seen, and slowed down for,
but made mistake to think i could take any other line than a perfectly straight line, with the very immediate outcome of the bike sliding out, and me hitting the deck, :?
would have been funny had I not injured wrist trying save the bike, as slid a further couple meters after, :lol:
I can confirm ebikes and ice, (even with spikes is brave ) are not a good combination as a front end slide is very difficult to recover from due to extra weight,
The LCD3 screen still worked but eventually LCD bled so couldn't see much ,
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Was cold that night -7 post your low screen temps ?no cheating;)
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I replaced with LCD 9 with left thumb throttle,
This cleans up the bars loads as switchs,screen,throttle all in one, so less wires,
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I also got an ebike specific saddle made by selle co designed by BMW, was bit expensive way more than I usually pay for a saddle
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,its supposed to be ergonomically designed but I didn't find it comfortable at all and the material been designed to be bit more grippy to hold you on but this just had effect of pulling shorts down ,could not see any quality went back to old one good all round and cheap, was pleased with this suspension seatpost it actually works and makes ride much better :mrgreen:
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olive, camo bike viewtopic.php?f=6&t=112696
kona commuter viewtopic.php?f=6&t=235&start=2000#p1675516
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“It is true that whisky improves with age. The older I get, the more I like it.” :wink:

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