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Post by remf » Aug 03 2015 12:06am

Hyena wrote:Keep in mind that once the axle slot is damaged fitting a brand new motor won't solve the issue and if there's any play at all that allows the axle to rock on regen it will chew out even worse and/or break the stronger axle.
Theodore Voltaire wrote:I discovered what I was doing wrong was using a small allen wrench to tighten the bolt on the torque clamp. You can't get enough torque on the clamp bolt by hand with a little 6 inch allen wrench. You need at least 15 ft lbs on the bolt, but most people won't be able to get more than about 12 ft lbs by hand. The solution is to use a torque wrench, because 15ft lb is close to the maximum amount you can put on the clamp without stripping it out.

Even after tightening it all down properly the right side axle bolt will stay tight, but the left side axle bolt will loosen a little over time, but not nearly like before, and it isn't really a problem if you check it every week of so. I think the axle probably flexes slightly which allows the right axle nut to eventually loosen a little.

Striping the axle is a different story. You strip your axle when you over tighten the axle bolts trying to stop them from coming loose. Thou shalt not tighten axle bolts more than 30 ft lbs of torque, or may lightening bolts rain down from the heavens on yo head.
Hyena wrote:Regen is well documented to be hard on axles and loosen nuts if not properly checked and tensioned and you set out knowing yours was damaged and used it anyway. If it ripped off the bike like that it was either so badly damaged you shouldn't have even considered taking it out and/or you would have felt it clunking and rocking around prior to that.
1abv wrote:Anytime I take off any nylock nut I replace it with a new one.
1abv wrote: I use regen but only on paved downhills never in dirt
Rix wrote:Use a torque wrench and don't exceed 45nm on your axle nuts. Always tighten the disk brake side axle nut first. When you tighten the disk brake side first, you rock the axle in the direction that it wants to move/rotate under power thus eliminating any freeplay between the axle flat, dropout, and torque block when you get on the throttle.
fsmuggen wrote:Stupid to risk the hubmotor falling off at high speeds.
If it falls off..., it might be the one and only time...
Stand out advice...I mean it when I say good luck CD! Hopefully we can read about some positive stuff soon.

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If the drop-out design is so splendid, why does it need the clamping block added?
The dropout was designed prior to the implementation of regen. The torque clamp/block permanently solved these regen issues for me on both the Bomber and Fighter.

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Post by Cowardlyduck » Aug 03 2015 12:38am

Correct, some good advice in there...and I am listening, thanks guy's...I'll just ignore the other stuff. :roll:
remf wrote:The dropout was designed prior to the implementation of regen. The torque clamp/block permanently solved these regen issues for me on both the Bomber and Fighter.
It's great that the clamp solved the issue for you and others, but it didn't solve it for me...and others also.
In my opinion...I'll repeat in the hopes of not getting shot, again...IN MY OPINION when Stealth introduced Regen, they should have redesigned the dropouts.
I fail to see why a clamp could not be added to the tail end of the horizontal dropouts. That would allow movement for chain tension, and also add the benefit of a clamp.

I've still got the original torque blocks supplied with my Fighter. They have almost no wear and the slots are 14mm for the Bomber. I think I should be able to DYI grind them out 1mm on each side to accommodate the 16mm axle of my new motor and make the flats super tight. :D

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Post by QuietRush » Aug 03 2015 1:01am

Interesting discovery for a new Central Coast NSW riding venue over the last little while, an unused Xtreme Sports park, where 66% of the lines are Black (stupid level of difficulty for most riders). Did a brief writeup of some of the downsides of its design at http://store.quietrush.com.au/blog/desi ... or-delight but for those inclined, it could be quite something with a bit of a redesign and some active maintenance. Sample image is below:
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Just starting discussions with local council and community about activation/reinvigoration. So much injury potential within it in its current format though.

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Post by QMS » Aug 03 2015 1:21am

Rix wrote:
Theodore Voltaire wrote:One thing that's really boring about a Bomber is they never need much maintenance. When it's cold out there's nothing to do.

I guess I could braid my streamers.
Well, you could braid your streamers, or you can take a hot bath, fart in the bath water, and bite at the bubbles. Should be equally entertaining.
Hey Rix, I think this is your best comment/advise you have presented the Stealth world with so far. All the other mechanical issues seem pretty straight forward to me :lol: :lol:
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Post by Hyena » Aug 03 2015 1:22am

remf wrote:That meme is very unkind lol
Yeah that Rix guy, what an asshole :lol:
Alright enough ruffling ducky's feathers :P
QuietRush wrote:Interesting discovery for a new Central Coast NSW riding venue over the last little while, an unused Xtreme Sports park, where 66% of the lines are Black (stupid level of difficulty for most riders)
Interesting find QR! As you suggested though in its current state it's asking for trouble. I reckon the go kart tracks are the way to go if only there was a way to hire them economically with some sort of an injury liability waiver in place so no one could try and sue anyone if they came off. People of any skill level could then participate as you could elect to ride as slow as necessary to be in your in comfort zone.
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Post by QMS » Aug 03 2015 4:06am

Hey guys, on a completely unrelated issue saw this on the news tonight and it was just so effing awesome I just had to share it. What a champ! Its a shame electricity and water hate each other or we could have a new sport :cry:
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Post by QuietRush » Aug 03 2015 6:22am

Even the Green line looks well over-specced for what I'd expect a green line rider to be able to tackle. Putting a set of doubles in as the first obstacle is just effing stoopid..I can just imagine what my 8yo would do on his first run through this, and wince..
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Post by QuietRush » Aug 03 2015 6:27am

Hyena wrote: Interesting find QR! As you suggested though in its current state it's asking for trouble. I reckon the go kart tracks are the way to go if only there was a way to hire them economically with some sort of an injury liability waiver in place so no one could try and sue anyone if they came off. People of any skill level could then participate as you could elect to ride as slow as necessary to be in your in comfort zone.
Meh. The GoKart tracks are fun, there's no doubt about that, but I do like the thought of some super-motard style track challenges in there, couple of sweeping loose corners, a tame tabletop or flip-flop turns and some berms to rail or brake turn and accelerate out of for some line blocking. Makes it easier to then compete against things like the Uni of Newcastle when they turn up again on an EV'd Aprilia RS125 chassis, helps level the playing field a little more. The grey matter is turning over on what an ideal track format might look like though, including A and B lines..

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QMS wrote:
Rix wrote:
Theodore Voltaire wrote:One thing that's really boring about a Bomber is they never need much maintenance. When it's cold out there's nothing to do.

I guess I could braid my streamers.
Well, you could braid your streamers, or you can take a hot bath, fart in the bath water, and bite at the bubbles. Should be equally entertaining.
Hey Rix, I think this is your best comment/advise you have presented the Stealth world with so far. All the other mechanical issues seem pretty straight forward to me :lol: :lol:
Oh man, If forgot about that one, TV what did you end up doing?

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Post by Rix » Aug 03 2015 8:36am

QMS wrote:Hey guys, on a completely unrelated issue saw this on the news tonight and it was just so effing awesome I just had to share it. What a champ! Its a shame electricity and water hate each other or we could have a new sport :cry:
This guy has balls that clank! Undoubtedly the coolest thing I have seen in a long time. Makes me want to go out and get a KTmSX250 and put this kit on it. Man that was cool.

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Post by Rix » Aug 03 2015 8:40am

remf wrote:
Rix wrote:Remf, what the name of the American IPA you be partaking it after work? Did I mention that working on Ebikes while consuming your favorite adult beverage go hand in hand?
I think you have mentioned that but worthwhile repeating!
Expensive & very hard to find American IPA: Ballast Point Sculpin
Pricey but better value & relatively easy to find: Ballast Point Big Eye
Pricey Aus IPA's: Feral Hop Hog, Mash Copycat
Better value quality Aus IPA: ???
I guess we just call them IPA's here. Ballast Point is pretty good. Isn't there micro breweries in Australia? I drink Fosters once in a while, whenever I can find it on tap. It okay for a hot weather beer.

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Post by Rix » Aug 03 2015 9:28am

Cowardlyduck wrote:Correct, some good advice in there...and I am listening, thanks guy's...I'll just ignore the other stuff. :roll:
remf wrote:The dropout was designed prior to the implementation of regen. The torque clamp/block permanently solved these regen issues for me on both the Bomber and Fighter.
It's great that the clamp solved the issue for you and others, but it didn't solve it for me...and others also.
In my opinion...I'll repeat in the hopes of not getting shot, again...IN MY OPINION when Stealth introduced Regen, they should have redesigned the dropouts.
I fail to see why a clamp could not be added to the tail end of the horizontal dropouts. That would allow movement for chain tension, and also add the benefit of a clamp.

I've still got the original torque blocks supplied with my Fighter. They have almost no wear and the slots are 14mm for the Bomber. I think I should be able to DYI grind them out 1mm on each side to accommodate the 16mm axle of my new motor and make the flats super tight. :D

Cheers
So you are going to go with a bigger axle then? I think that's the best option. In all seriousness, I still wouldn't use the regen though. Its neat stealth has the option for us to recharge out battery, which is actually a selling point for some, but when you consider how much energy you get out of regen, I don't think its worth it. A few years back, there was this guy that won the ebike class on Pikes Peak. He had a homebuilt set up with regen. Well on his way down the hill, talking like 19 miles or about 31km, he regened the whole way. He put almost 100wh back into his battery. That's it. I think my dad said it best, electric motors make shitty alternators/generators and alternators/generators make shitty electric motors.

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Aug 03 2015 9:39am

I've passed 6000 miles on my bike now, and it's still running great. My battery is down to 17.5 ah, but I've gotten so good at riding it I haven't really lost any range.

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Aug 03 2015 9:43am

It's so flat here in Dallas the regen is practically useless, except as a brake.

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Post by Hyena » Aug 03 2015 5:10pm

QR, the gokart track thing I was more referring to absolute safety and ease of access - they're already there and anyone can ride with any skill level.
But your plans sound good! If you can make it happen you know I'll be on the starting line :)

That Robbie Maddison vis is the shiz!
I was toying around with repurposing an old hub motor wheel to power my kayak as an e-paddle steamer of sorts, but obviously that is wacky and this is straight up cool.

Rix wrote:Isn't there micro breweries in Australia?
Is the pope catholic ? :P
I drink Fosters once in a while, whenever I can find it on tap. It okay for a hot weather beer.
Urgh, it's one of the great misconceptions of the world that Fosters is a good Australian beer. It's more that it's a well known Aussie beer, kinda like what Bud is to the US. Only most Aussie's don't actually drink Fosters :lol:
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Post by Cowardlyduck » Aug 03 2015 6:15pm

Rix wrote:So you are going to go with a bigger axle then? I think that's the best option. In all seriousness, I still wouldn't use the regen though.
Yeah, bigger axle...16mm, so even bigger than the Bomber axle. :mrgreen:

I've also ordered the axle at a total length of 250mm, so about 15mm extra length each side of the torque blocks. My thinking is I should be able to add extra measures like nordlock washers, a Torque arm, etc, and Regen should still be possible.

Like I said...I will do anything to keep Regen. I just love it too much.

Also, with the Adaptto, I've set it up with a variable voltage Hall sensor and a magnet on the brake lever. That way, Regen is progressive and doesn't kick in at max torque like with the button.

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Post by Rix » Aug 03 2015 6:36pm

Hyena wrote:
Rix wrote:Isn't there micro breweries in Australia?
Is the pope catholic ? :P
I drink Fosters once in a while, whenever I can find it on tap. It okay for a hot weather beer.
Urgh, it's one of the great misconceptions of the world that Fosters is a good Australian beer. It's more that it's a well known Aussie beer, kinda like what Bud is to the US. Only most Aussie's don't actually drink Fosters :lol:
Un equivocally beyond a shadow of doubt, Fosters in better than Bud, Coors, Hams, miller, Keystone, Olympia, Old Milwaukee, basically all of the old school shitwater we called beer back in the 70s and 80s, by a margin I might add. I figured there were microbreweries down under, just haven't heard about them.

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Rix wrote:So you are going to go with a bigger axle then? I think that's the best option. In all seriousness, I still wouldn't use the regen though.
Yeah, bigger axle...16mm, so even bigger than the Bomber axle. :mrgreen:

I've also ordered the axle at a total length of 250mm, so about 15mm extra length each side of the torque blocks. My thinking is I should be able to add extra measures like nordlock washers, a Torque arm, etc, and Regen should still be possible.

Like I said...I will do anything to keep Regen. I just love it too much.

Also, with the Adaptto, I've set it up with a variable voltage Hall sensor and a magnet on the brake lever. That way, Regen is progressive and doesn't kick in at max torque like with the button.

Cheers
I do admire your tenacity for wanting to make regen work for you, between the ramp programing on you mini, the axle and nordlock washers, you should succeed at it for certain this time.

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Rix wrote:
QMS wrote:Hey guys, on a completely unrelated issue saw this on the news tonight and it was just so effing awesome I just had to share it. What a champ! Its a shame electricity and water hate each other or we could have a new sport :cry:

This guy has balls that clank! Undoubtedly the coolest thing I have seen in a long time. Makes me want to go out and get a KTmSX250 and put this kit on it. Man that was cool.
Hey Rix, its funny how conversations go from extreme motorsports straight back to beer. I don't know of a single Aussie that has consumed a Fosters in his lifetime. On the microbrewery point, we have thousands of them and as I feel I'm a bit of an expert in this area (from a consumption perspective) excluding some Irish & Mexican beer, I think we have some of the best in the world eg; James Squire, Boags (old school Coopers), and good ol Crown lager.
As for Robbie Maddison he has the biggest klankers I've seen for a while too.
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QMS wrote:
Rix wrote:
QMS wrote:Hey guys, on a completely unrelated issue saw this on the news tonight and it was just so effing awesome I just had to share it. What a champ! Its a shame electricity and water hate each other or we could have a new sport :cry:

This guy has balls that clank! Undoubtedly the coolest thing I have seen in a long time. Makes me want to go out and get a KTmSX250 and put this kit on it. Man that was cool.
Hey Rix, its funny how conversations go from extreme motorsports straight back to beer. I don't know of a single Aussie that has consumed a Fosters in his lifetime. On the microbrewery point, we have thousands of them and as I feel I'm a bit of an expert in this area (from a consumption perspective) excluding some Irish & Mexican beer, I think we have some of the best in the world eg; James Squire, Boags (old school Coopers), and good ol Crown lager.
As for Robbie Maddison he has the biggest klankers I've seen for a while too.
I enjoy microbrew aka craft brew beer almost as much as I enjoy, my Fighter. No quite though. Just because one drinks beer doesn't mean one will have a Stealth Ebike in their stable, but if one has a Stealth Ebike in their stable, they will always have access to good beer. This is a universal fact. From the consumption perspective, I know a good beer when I chug one :lol: I have had coopers before, it was dark, cant remember if it was a stout or porter though. I only like 5 beers though. Lagers, Pilsners, Ales, Stouts and Porters. That's it. You are right, it is funny how conversations go from extreme motor sports to beer, back and forth no less.

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Aug 04 2015 12:17am

I don't always drink beer (because there's Vodka), but when I do, I drink Dos Equis XX. Stay thirsty my friends.

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Post by remf » Aug 04 2015 3:50am

Rix wrote:I enjoy microbrew aka craft brew beer almost as much as I enjoy, my Fighter. No quite though.
Yeah except a mate called me a "beer snob", the other said "nah he's a beer wanker". While they guzzle the worst beers on earth.

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Post by stevebills » Aug 04 2015 4:08am

A new peddle arm arrived in the post today from Evobikes.co.uk
and just need to swop the peddle over and find that 8mm key and replace arm

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Post by Samd » Aug 04 2015 5:10am

Dont forget to pregrease the spindle and torque the hell out of it. Ideally with a length of tube over a tee handled hexkey.
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Post by stevebills » Aug 04 2015 5:27am

Samd wrote:Dont forget to pregrease the spindle and torque the hell out of it. Ideally with a length of tube over a tee handled hexkey.
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