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Post by Hyena » Aug 06 2015 9:14pm

Cowardlyduck wrote:Lol Jay...at least I'm not taking your 'hacks' at my ego too seriously. :lol:
Nothing I ever say is to be taken seriously (well, apart from facts/advice)
Half my posts are made to amuse myself, anyone else that gets a giggle is a bonus :P
The '1500W' Leaf motor I bought is a 35mm wide stator, however the newer Leaf motor's are over 90% efficient
Cool, that's better than I was expecting. Let us know if they get that resonant stator hum that the larger pies seem to get. If you're running an adaptto you probably won't get it either way.
The Leaf motor is also about 2Kg lighter than the HS40 motor's which isn't an amount to scoff at IMO.
You sure ?? Admittedly I know nothing about them but that sounds a little too good to be true. We're talking about the bigger motor right - magic pie size ? Around 273mm diameter ? If it has a 16mm axle that means it's chunkier throughout than the crystalyte and thus will be heavier. The H40 uses a stamped steel stator so there's no weight to be saved there. It's also physically larger so will presumably have more iron in the hub/magnet ring. Even if it's thinner it should at best come out around the same. The side covers are also bigger, though aluminium so fairly light either way. There's less than 1kg difference between the H40 and the H35 (ballpark around 800g from memory) so for a bigger motor with a bigger axle I can't imagine it should be any more than 1kg less than the H40... (even if I'm off on a wrong tangent about the wider diametre size of the motor) :?
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Post by remf » Aug 06 2015 9:34pm

Cowardlyduck wrote:The Mini-E came back from Russia the other day, so I need to remount it to the bike still...hopefully in the next week or so. :)
Before it had to be sent back I was playing around with the settings and managed to get over 100kph unloaded on OVS3...but that was likely something wacky with the settings.

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Does it have to be sent back to Russia to be fixed? Are the settings in Russian???

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Post by Hyena » Aug 06 2015 9:39pm

remf wrote:[Does it have to be sent back to Russia to be fixed?
AFAIK all adaptto repairs have to go back to mother Russia.
Are the settings in Russian???
Either that or you're looking at it upside own :lol:
All the menus and settings I've played with are in English
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Post by Rix » Aug 06 2015 9:41pm

Hyena wrote:
Cowardlyduck wrote:Alrighty that's long enough... :lol: :lol: :lol: You guessed it Jay. :D

In case you guy's didn't already figure it out, that motor was already toast (from ages ago) and it didn't matter how kiwiev got the axle out...just that he did.
You'll forgive us for thinking you may have been serious given some of your past hacks (in the true sense of the word) :P
So did he accidently force it against the fatter side of the axle ? Red paint would have saved him :P

What's the stator width on those leaf motors ? I've not had my hands on one but I wasn't too impressed with the similarly sized magic pies during initial testing (albeit years ago now). Sounds like axle overkill but better than being too wimpy. Their bigger diametre makes them stick out more in public which may not be a good thing for those who frown on such things, but I guess you're not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes on a stealth in general.
I know this isn't a Leaf Motor thread, but how about posting up a pic with it on the Fighter?

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Post by Samd » Aug 06 2015 10:14pm

I'm also amazed by the 2kg alleged difference. Keen to know.
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Post by Cowardlyduck » Aug 06 2015 10:26pm

Hyena wrote:You sure ?? Admittedly I know nothing about them but that sounds a little too good to be true. We're talking about the bigger motor right - magic pie size ? Around 273mm diameter ? If it has a 16mm axle that means it's chunkier throughout than the crystalyte and thus will be heavier. The H40 uses a stamped steel stator so there's no weight to be saved there. It's also physically larger so will presumably have more iron in the hub/magnet ring. Even if it's thinner it should at best come out around the same. The side covers are also bigger, though aluminium so fairly light either way. There's less than 1kg difference between the H40 and the H35 (ballpark around 800g from memory) so for a bigger motor with a bigger axle I can't imagine it should be any more than 1kg less than the H40... (even if I'm off on a wrong tangent about the wider diametre size of the motor) :?
Well I'm only going off the quoted specs:
http://www.leafbike.com/products/e-bike ... r-998.html = 7.18 kg
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HS40:
http://www.crystalyte.com/h40%20series.htm = 9Kg + a few hundred grams since mine was a custom Stealth axle version.
So 1.82Kg Lighter to be exact...but yeah with the bigger axle your right probably not as much difference...maybe 1.5Kg lighter. Still enough to be noticeable IMO given it's unsprung weight.

I don't think this Leaf Motor is any larger diameter than the HS40 motors, but it hasn't arrived yet, so won't know for sure till it gets here. They do sell other motors with the larger Magic Pie style size, but I don't think this one is. They don't list any exact diameter specs, but looking at the image, it doesn't look any bigger diameter than the HS35/HS40 motors.
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Mind you, as per the link above, the '1500W' Version doesn't have the wires going through the axle like the image above, so it could be completely different again. I think that image is of the '1000W' version with 30mm stator width.
remf wrote:Does it have to be sent back to Russia to be fixed? Are the settings in Russian???
Yup...as Jay mentioned, since it's run out of Russia, for Hardware Repairs it's gotta go back...mind you that's how it is for anything these day's. As it turned out, they had to replace the entire power board PCB to fix it, but they don't actually know what was wrong.
Rix wrote:I know this isn't a Leaf Motor thread, but how about posting up a pic with it on the Fighter?
Will do. :) I'm lacing it myself, and it hasn't even landed yet, so give me a while.

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Post by Samd » Aug 06 2015 10:38pm

Sounds about right. If you compare both 35mm offerings I get leaf = 7.2kg and 3540 = 7.4kg for a 3540.
You get thinner lams than a 3540 of course, still a steel stator however.
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Post by Hyena » Aug 06 2015 11:09pm

OK that looks like a standard sized "205" motor. Axle looks like 14mm too rather than the quoted 16mm...
I must have been thinking of something else.
In which case, yeah, it'll be very comparable to a H35.
A 35mm 273 motor would haul 8)
QS makes a 50mm version but it weighs a comical 22kg!

9kg for a H40 sounds a little heavy. I'm pretty sure they're closer to 8kg. I suspect that 9kg figure may be the laced wheel.
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Post by Samd » Aug 06 2015 11:18pm

You could make it even lighter with a 28mm or even 20mm stator on it.
You can see where I am going with this...
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Post by Hyena » Aug 06 2015 11:21pm

Hyena wrote:There's less than 1kg difference between the H40 and the H35 (ballpark around 800g from memory)
OK I just checked my emails from back in 2011 and found the specs quoted direct from crystalyte. My memory often fails me but on this occasion it was spot on:
Crystaryte Kenny wrote:H35 with 7.4kg and H40 with 8.2kg
So yeah, the H40 is 800g heavier than the H35. The leaf is 1kg on the dot lighter than the H40 but only 200g lighter than its direct crystalyte equivalent (H35)

All that said, when you're already getting a H40 baking hot and having to fill it full of fans to get by, stepping down to a smaller motor again seems counter intuitive... (see, that's me being diplomatic and not saying it's a dumb move :P )
The crown would have been a good choice and I've provided a good demonstration of their superiority over the H40. Assuming the cost is an issue I would have thought the next automatic choice would have been the MXUS 3000. Only marginally more weight but well worth it for the extra width and heat sucking alloy stator
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Post by Rix » Aug 06 2015 11:29pm

Villain wrote:
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That is sick Villian, black on black with 19x1.4 black rims and SR241s front and rear. Just plain awesome!!!!!

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Post by Hyena » Aug 06 2015 11:40pm

Yeah that's pretty nice. But no posting raptors* in the stealth thread, please :P

*yes, I know it's actually a T-rex - shoosh.
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Post by Cowardlyduck » Aug 07 2015 12:03am

Hyena wrote:OK that looks like a standard sized "205" motor. Axle looks like 14mm too rather than the quoted 16mm...
Correct that image is 14mm. As stated I ordered a custom axle at 16mm diameter and 250mm total width. I also ordered with 165mm shoulders to fit the Stealth.
Hyena wrote:My memory often fails me but on this occasion it was spot on:
Crystaryte Kenny wrote:H35 with 7.4kg and H40 with 8.2kg
So yeah, the H40 is 800g heavier than the H35. The leaf is 1kg on the dot lighter than the H40 but only 200g lighter than its direct crystalyte equivalent (H35)All that said, when you're already getting a H40 baking hot and having to fill it full of fans to get by, stepping down to a smaller motor again seems counter intuitive... (see, that's me being diplomatic and not saying it's a dumb move :P ) The crown would have been a good choice and I've provided a good demonstration of their superiority over the H40. Assuming the cost is an issue I would have thought the next automatic choice would have been the MXUS 3000. Only marginally more weight but well worth it for the extra width and heat sucking alloy stator
Ok, well it might not be much lighter, but at least it's more efficient. I was seriously considering the MXUS, but the axle shoulder width wasn't a drop in fit, and as you mentioned more weight. I sometimes have to lift my Fighter over gates/fences so the weight does make a difference.
Also my peak power will ultimately be limited the same at 3-4KW anyway due to my battery and controller, so what's the point in getting a motor that CAN take more power when I will never use it and I have the heat issues sorted.

Noone ever said I was using the fan cooling just to get by...one of the reasons I'm moving to the Leaf is because so far I COULD NOT get the HS40 motors to over heat (120C+) with the fan cooling mods I did. Highest I've ever seen on my latest setup was 90C and it cools off in no time.
Also, while I do like smashing up a cliff face WOT every now and then, the majority of riding I enjoy is long range exploring. A slightly lighter motor and 10% increase on efficiency is sure to help in that department. :D
It's not all about who's got the bigger more powerful....hub motor...you know. :P

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Post by Samd » Aug 07 2015 12:46am

Just thinking laterally for a minute then, what about mounting some of your fans in the Clyte 20mm saw motor for some real weight savings?
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Post by Cowardlyduck » Aug 07 2015 1:10am

You know although your having a joke, it could actually work.
It's been stated many times before, the number one reason for bigger, wider, heavier hub motor's for more power is to enable them to do the work without generating excess heat. Just look at Emmet's example on this thread after he put oil in his HS40.
And the countless people who vent their hub motors. I'm just taking it to the next logical step.

If you could pump liquid nitrogen through a 250W hub motor, I'm sure you could squeeze 2-3KW+ out of it no worries. Just look at what's possible on CPU's overclocked on LN2.

It's kind of like the difference between chucking a massive turbo and tune on a 2 Litre 4 banger to get the same power output as a big block V8.
I think in the world of E-Bike hub motors, many are yet to realise the potential of lower power motors with a proper cooling offset.

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Post by Samd » Aug 07 2015 1:32am

Yep. I was taking the micky.
As a holder of an engineering degree I have to confess that the parameters of AC motors are well known. It's ok to play empirically with stator width outside of the machine's designed operating characteristics, but don't expect to discover something that people haven't already considered here by design, up front.
And for the most, discounted for valid reasons.

Torque is directly proportional to stator width, all other things unchanged.

Reducing unsprung mass is a worthy effort. And as a rider I am sprung. But I recently gained 13kg, donned 1.3kg steel shoes, and loaded up on lipo.
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Post by Hyena » Aug 07 2015 2:11am

Crystalyte also make a mini crown that has a 30mm cast alloy stator, I reckon that'd be a pretty sweet all rounder for less mad pursuits.
Failing that, this could be an option for you CD, this should get you an hours ride and keep a little bafang cool :lol:

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Anyway, I feel this vid is appropriate on a number of levels :P

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Post by Cowardlyduck » Aug 07 2015 2:57am

Ouch Jay, Ouch:
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Post by Rix » Aug 07 2015 2:59am

Its Duck Season :lol: :lol: This is some heavy stuff Jay, I am talking Lone Ranger heavy.

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Post by voicecoils » Aug 07 2015 4:33am

Cowardlyduck wrote:If you could pump liquid nitrogen through a 250W hub motor, I'm sure you could squeeze 2-3KW+ out of it no worries. Just look at what's possible on CPU's overclocked on LN2.
Not necessarily. It depends at what point the motor saturates. Cooling buys you time but it doesn't change the max torque ( and therefore mechanical power) a motor can produce.

This point was nicely hilighted with LFP's Flaming Dick Dyno Run
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Post by PRW » Aug 07 2015 4:40am

Following the wildlife theme :D

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Post by Hyena » Aug 07 2015 5:41am

Cowardlyduck wrote:Ouch Jay, Ouch:
Phwoar, tore his balls off :shock: Brutal. You're getting off light my friend :lol:

As voicecoils very nicely pointed out via Lukes great ball's of fire(tm) it's not just about keeping it cool and shoving in unlimited power.
Keeping a motor cool will allow you to run it out side it's efficiency zone for longer, giving that extra torque that us side cover drilling hotrodders crave but it's the well documented story of diminishing returns. The H40 is actually one of the best motors around in terms of power:weight. The extra width gives it torque and the stamped stator keeps the weight down. I remember when I first started using the H40s how much extra poke they had when using the same controller settings. It's not night and day but for the small weight increase it's worth the upgrade over the 35mm stator.
Anyway, the earlier fighters used the H35 briefly so really, you're just being retro. If you want to be really hipster get yourself a nice little 408 :P
If they weren't that much noisier I'd be looking into trying to make the larger geared motors last with an oil bath or some other sort of black magic. At 4kw they're a total hoot but they chew up gears and spit out clutches in short order. When I first tested one I remember thinking "holy crap, these geared motors at 2kw are awesome! Almost the same torque as the H40 at 5kw but half the weight and power consumption". Until it exploded and I realised the controller was a new model with an extra shunt so programmed for 60A not 30A :lol:
It's on my rainy day list to fit one with metal gears, weld the clutch and fill it with oil and see just what sort of sustained power it could take. Now that I've been using sine wave controllers though I'm not sure I could go back to the whine of a geared motor...


LOL PRW. there is some relevance there, with the duck trying to lead the hyena up the garden path. This thread is missing chicks though.
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Post by Rix » Aug 07 2015 5:49am

Well, we went from talking about Ebikes to Craft Beer to Ebikes to Babes all in the last 2 pages, if you ask me, that makes this thread the coolest one on ES :mrgreen:

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Aug 07 2015 5:50am

I really wish you guy's would stop bickering among yourselves. Nitrogen cooling, or bigger motors, or more voltage isn't going to help. There can only be one bike that's cooler than all the rest. One bike that all the other bikes look up at. Modesty prevents me from telling you what bike that is, but lets face facts here, it's my bike. :roll:

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