E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

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Post by 1abv » Jul 03 2016 2:24am

FRAME / OTHER:
The frame was fortified and weleded where it cracked.
The Rivnuts were all welded to the frame so they can not move now.
The side panels were welded and cleaned up so they don’t separate.
All of the wires going though the frame are held in place via Velcro.
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The frame was painted and all flat carbon stickers were replaced w high quality VVIVID high gloss carbon stickers.

The stock strips of foam that are along the edge of the battery box were replaced with bespoke custom cut neoprene.
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All exterior bolts have a nylon washer on them so as to not damage the finish.
The swing arm as custom cut neoprene pieces on the top and the bottom on the chain side so you cannot hear the chain at all anymore! The chain slap used to drive me nuts!!
The side cover bolts all have a dab of silicone on them so they don’t back out.
The side panels have single piece gaskets where they touch the frame so as to not F-up the paint on the frame.
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The controller has neoprene on it where it touches the frame and also has 4 spacers stabilizing the controller.
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Post by 1abv » Jul 03 2016 2:31am

VBOXX:
Replaced both the swingarm bearings…you will need a special tool to do this and take care on the chain side. You can totally screw the Vboxx if you move the inner piece too much.
Put in a shit ton more grease. Superlube baby use a veterinary syringe to shoot it in.
The aluminum bolt that holds the front chain gear has play in it so I put a rubber washer underneath it.
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Post by 1abv » Jul 03 2016 2:47am

THE RESULT:
Pic from the day I put it back together. I repainted it Plum Crazy Purple from the 1970 Challenger…Its not a rainbow paint job but depending on lighting it changes from purple to deep blue....Not one ride on it….The bike will never ever ever..look this good ever again :P
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So on my first ride I set up the thermistor and found out that I hit thermal rollback in about 15min of my normal riding and was hitting 120 soon after….

Well that told me 2 things..I must have been going well over 120 on a regular basis before all of this hence the solder and the phase wires melting and de soldering…and the other thing is that motor took all that abuse like a champ! Literally for years I must have been running over 120 degrees Madd props on how much heat that motor can take!
So I figured if I went downhill w/o motor that it would rapidly cool down.. wrong!!! The motor retained its heat and refused to go down.. this was very depressing.. I felt like I couldn’t ride the way I wanted to..

Then… come to today.. where I added statorade.. Holy crap!!! The shit works like magic! Stays cooler and cools down way quicker. Drops a degree in a matter of seconds now ….and I found I used less battery than before because it was operating at a cooler temp and was more efficient. No mess and cools like a champ. Simply injected it into one of the breather holes near the outside of the motor and its good to go. Be interesting to see how long it works for and of it does anything negative to the motor. So far so good
Damn I love this bike!!! Way better then stock! Now if only I could turn it into a mid drive……. :oops:
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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » Jul 03 2016 3:19am

Parts list and info:

SUSPENSION:
--front--
Marzocchi 888 CR
Marzocchi HD spring

--rear--
Rebuild by AS racing
Canon Racecraft 550 lbs spring

SADDLE/POST:
Serfas RX921L
Titec El Norte 'Scoper Expert

WHEELS:
--front--
stock with a standard moto tube
--rear--
Holms hobbies rim 19x 1.6
11/12 127mm L spokes
standard moto tube
Vee rubber VRM 021 tire

CONTROLS:
Oury grips
Odi clamps
incredibell duet bell

BRAKES:
Shimano BRM 820 brakes
Shimano ICE TECH XT rotors

MOTOR:
6004 2rsh and 6005 2rsh SKF bearings
side cover and center cover dimpled to line up.
breather holes drilled out to 5mm and tapped. 5mm allens installed with hi temp silicone.
additional breather hole drilled and tapped close to the axle as possible.
Phase wires replaced with 10 gauge silicone wires which where stripped of sheathing and shrink-wrapped to get though the axle.
Grin tech 10k thermistor installed
M14 IP68 Assembled Waterproof 8-Pin Electrical Cable Connector Plug Socket for hall and temp wires
M14 IP68 Assembled Waterproof 6-Pin Electrical Cable Connector Plug Socket for temp wires (only 2 pins needed)
3 sets of XT150 Plug Connectors
Permatex Ultra Black for sealing the covers, bearings, interior wires and attaching the thermistor.
MG Chemicals 4228 Red GLPT Insulating Varnish, 55 ml Bottle
Grin tech Statorade


ELECTRICAL:
2 SMH SY50 Series 8 AWG 50A Breakaway DC Power Connector
2 sided 3m high strength foam tape to attach the CAV 3

FRAME:
Sponge Neoprene With Adhesive 1/16" Thick X 54" Wide X 1' Long for use on in the battery box, on the swing arm, and for the side covers.
VVIVID Epoxy High Gloss Black Carbon fiber Vinyl Automotive Car Wrap Film
GE silicone 2 for all cover bolts

VBOXX:
2 6808-2RS Bearing 40x52x7 Sealed Ball Bearings
BBT-22 Shimano Sealed Cartridge Bottom Bracket Tool to remove the bearings

ill continue to update as I remember stuff… hope this is helpful to some peeps!!

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Post by Kepler » Jul 03 2016 4:56am

Great work 1abv. Your obviously ride quite hard. Some really nice upgrades there. Really appreciate the time taken to document it all also.
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Post by one4torque » Jul 03 2016 9:55am

1ab - Awesome build and write-up. I might be stealing some ideas shame-less-ly.
thanks!
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Post by Rix » Jul 03 2016 2:14pm

DAMN 1ABV! Your bomber restoration came out sweet! The cracks in the frame, was that from only stress, or was there a little bit of rusting as well? I only ask because I haven't noticed any cracks on my yet. You are right about the shock, the spring is 700 pounds, mine is 750 pounds and worked perfectly for me when i weighed 260#, now I am down in the 220s and need to go with a lighter spring and revalve/rebuild. Will looking into that. Again very nicely done!

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jul 03 2016 4:06pm

Maybe we should all consider statorade. Where do you get it?

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Post by one4torque » Jul 03 2016 6:04pm

I went from stock rear spring to a 1000# on my sb.... and I love the feel, I'm @ 211 lbs plus gear.
Pers preference I guess.


This is not stealth, but I did get parts from familar vendors....... battery, controller, mxus motor........ sondor mxus mod in play now yahoo.
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I had a 3 spd conversion which I hated...... so I installed a 12 t gear and went fixie. I'm thinking the 3000watt mxus should handle the bottom end fine..... and I'll PAS mid and up top.
Have to p/u some u-bolts to mnt the controller TV style on the seat post in front of the rear tire.
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Post by 1abv » Jul 04 2016 1:52am

Rix wrote:DAMN 1ABV! Your bomber restoration came out sweet! The cracks in the frame, was that from only stress, or was there a little bit of rusting as well? I only ask because I haven't noticed any cracks on my yet. You are right about the shock, the spring is 700 pounds, mine is 750 pounds and worked perfectly for me when i weighed 260#, now I am down in the 220s and need to go with a lighter spring and revalve/rebuild. Will looking into that. Again very nicely done!
Thanks everyone for the comments! It took a while and a few re-dos, (like pulling off the swing arm for different reasons like 4 times!!!) but eventually it came out pretty good.
Cracks were only from stress no rust on the frame at all. One of the side panels was cracked pretty bad as well but was welded and cleaned up,that was from a rock hit. To be honest I actually forgot where the crack was. The painters did a great job.
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here is a link to the company that sells it.
http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/experimental/statorade.html
I haven't had enough data for long term durability but in the few days I have been using it its been great.
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Post by one4torque » Jul 04 2016 5:02am

Will ordering some statoraids for mines too. Thx for link.
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Post by Allex » Jul 04 2016 7:58am

Damn, one4t is that my triangle battery for the sondors? I was a bit worry about the size but it looks like it fits in good!
1abv, thx for the pictures!

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Post by one4torque » Jul 04 2016 9:53am

Alex----yup! Fits like a glove. I'll fit the controller and battery today and begin top speed and range testing. Hoping for 50 mile range w pas, but we'll see.
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Post by FL bomber » Jul 04 2016 3:30pm

Happy Fourth of July to all USA stealth Riders!!

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Post by one4torque » Jul 04 2016 5:19pm

Happy extraction from emperial control day! Wahoo.
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Post by one4torque » Jul 05 2016 9:50pm

Had my first spill on the mx us 6turn sondors ......the power delivery is strange there is a slight lag then a huge tq spike, and then another lag when you roll off throttle.....

So I'm coming off of a fun hill and decide to see how it wheelies.... I hit the throttle and pull back at 1st nothing then WHOOSH front end comes up then quickly past cog I'm like wtf... Hit the rear brakes no response!!! I roll down the hill on the side of the sondors.... Broke the seat turned bars.... Do the quick check to be sure no you tubers, then roll home in a non swag fashion. This thing has some tq!!!!
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Post by 1abv » Jul 06 2016 2:00am

And now back to our regularly scheduled program..

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Post by CJonaBttlrckt » Jul 06 2016 6:50am

Hi folks,
Been a while since I've posted, though still peruse regularly.
I have cracked two frames the same as 1ABV, and the side covers also. Definitely flex/stress and why chromoly steel is the go; easy fix. The first Stealth replaced and the second they reinforced.
When I attempted to rip a vboxx off the bottom of the frame, Stealth swapped out the vboxx mount plates for the thicker plates they now use as standard and also reinforced inside the frame and reinforced the top shock mount that also started to crack.
The swingarm is currently down getting welded up after it started cracking along the inside top edge on one side in front and behind the cross brace.
A rewire might be in order for my Bomber as it has recently developed an intermittent momentary power cutout when I square edge hit the rear, suggesting a loose connection somewhere. I thought in the hub, though a hub strip hasn't revealed it, so the controller will be next to come apart while the swingarm is with Stealth in Melbourne.
Also, some maybe interested to know that I went for a custom 600-680 progressive spring from Cannon Racecraft and it is perfect for me. I weight 95kg (that's 209lb I think).
Cheers,
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Rix wrote:DAMN 1ABV! Your bomber restoration came out sweet! The cracks in the frame, was that from only stress, or was there a little bit of rusting as well? I only ask because I haven't noticed any cracks on my yet. You are right about the shock, the spring is 700 pounds, mine is 750 pounds and worked perfectly for me when i weighed 260#, now I am down in the 220s and need to go with a lighter spring and revalve/rebuild. Will looking into that. Again very nicely done!

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Post by Rix » Jul 06 2016 12:49pm

1abv wrote:And now back to our regularly scheduled program..

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Nice pics, this one is my favorite, a great way to spend the long weekend. :D

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Post by QuietRush » Jul 07 2016 2:07am

WooHoo - 2016 will see the return of the 1500 class in the Hunter Electric Vehicle Festival - perfect racing category for Stealth owners and Fluxers. Held on weekend of 13-14August 2016 at Cameron Park raceway near Newcastle. See details at http://www.hunterevfestival.net/evprize.html and some background on what makes it such a fun event at http://store.quietrush.com.au/blog/what ... kart-track Just ask Hyena if you don't believe me..
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Post by Rix » Jul 07 2016 4:54am

Hyena, if I didn't know better, QR put this out as a way for you and him to have a round 2 race.

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Post by Samd » Jul 07 2016 5:37am

Hmm. A few of us now have a handful of qs273 motors and sufficient planning time [FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES]


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Post by 1abv » Jul 07 2016 3:57pm

QR looks pretty damn cool! be great to have something like that in LA or even a meet up….

This was the "Stator Hater" ride….
Before the rebuild I for sure was melting solder on this ride. I think thats 188c? Anyway ran it w statoraid and it was still F-ing evil. Had to stop a few times to keep it under 120. It actually makes riding more interesting having to keep track of not only AH used, watts and volts but temp as well… makes route planning and riding more interesting..
The only logical, and moral thing to do at this point is to get a bigger battery pack and get a better motor.…. you know for safety…


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Post by one4torque » Jul 07 2016 6:41pm

Had to make a field repair to my new sb744... About 7 miles out the green butt connector came off. At first i was like wtf... Over heated? I let it cool... Still jerky power like the phase wires wrong then noticed green connector fell off.

I was able to just compression fit it to get home. Prob good to check your connections.

Not sure if this was a weak cold solder or if the heat fron res melted the solder?
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Post by one4torque » Jul 07 2016 6:43pm

Anyone delt w quigley lately? They promised parts a month ago. And so it goes. Serms they have some craftsmen from 100bc hand smelting filing chiseling these parts :/-/)
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