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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » Aug 31 2021 11:56pm

Piggybacking on what CD said those are xt150's they will plug right into your controller plugs. Make sure to get quality ones from hobby king or some such place. There are crappy ones out there.

Some may disagree but the stock mini XLR hall sensor connector and is a huge pain in the ass. I hated how they connect and stock the cables were too short.

I used a M14-9 IP67 IP68 9 Pin Waterproof Connector for the halls and temp sensor for a while. But it too was a giant pain in the ass to solder because its round and the pins were very close together. I finally bought a tiny solder iron which would have helped. I also had issues when the waterproof cap was attached it would strain the tiny wires and sometimes tear them. I wound up going with JST's wrapped in self fusing tape. I also made the hall wires a touch longer because on my bike they were a pain to connect.

The JST's are not waterproof but with the self fusing tape on it im not worried about that. Its is so infrequent that I need to disconnect them that when I do I just cut the tape off. The JST's are way easier to deal with and super easy to put together esp with a vise that usually comes with a jst kit. My 2 cents...

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Post by 1abv » Sep 01 2021 12:08am

WHAT????what is this madness??????

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Excuse me? are those single crown USD forks????

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and what is that poking around in the background???

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Yes that is the legendary Stealth Bomber number 143 that you may recognize. The man, The legend Rix was so cool give me Bomber 143 so that I can breath life back into it. We spoke on the phone and let me tell you he is such a great guy in person as he is in these pages and has left an everlasting imprint always happy to give advice and always testing and modding. Well as you know this is the forum for the OG gangster ebike so in the future you all will be getting a first hand seat to rebuilding. Now it may take me a minute but it will be worth it for sure! Rix thank you again you are the man!!

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by bigbore » Sep 01 2021 7:37am

1abv wrote:
Aug 31 2021 11:40pm

Hey all,
So yes I did weld up a tooth but I also emailed stealth and I managed to purchase a few parts for a vboxx they had kicking around which included the gear I needed. The welded one is a spare as of now.
You were lucky. Last year when I reassembled my V-boxx I wanted to put new gaskets on but they couldn't supply them to me.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 01 2021 9:21am

@ Litespeed - Thank you for the link to the connectors. Since I'm going with 10 gauge wire, I should be good to go..

@Cowardlyduck - Thanks again, I wish I knew about that tester before taking the hub apart, but it is what it is. I'm looking to see about sourcing a tester in the States. I didn't realize it until I looked last night, but I do see the XT150 stamped on the phase wires. Its the hall connector that should be fun to find and do.

@1abv - Nice to hear from you, I hope you are doing well..!! - Thank you for the advice, I'll give Hobby King a call and see what they have. I'm sure I can get everything (10 gauge silicon wire, connectors, etc) directly from there. so if I understand you correctly, you did NOT use the M14-9 connector and went with the JST Fusing kit in its place. Forgive me, I'm just trying to picture in my head what you did. I think you posted in a previous post that you wiring in a modular setup so its easier to take apart when needed. I thought that was a great idea, but now I'm a bit confused if I should go with the M14-9 route, or JST kit... I just can't picture what that is.

Also, if I understood you correctly, the ONLY wire upgrade that you did was on the 3 phase wires going to 10 gauge silicon, correct.. everything else was left alone..?

Thanks..!!

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Post by 1abv » Sep 01 2021 9:23am

Big bore
Absolutely. This was more of a let me see what I have kicking around my shop rather than polling stock off a shelf. Thankfully they had those spares at that time. I’m sure if I asked now they would probably not have them.

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Sep 01 2021 9:41am

bigbore wrote:
Sep 01 2021 7:37am
1abv wrote:
Aug 31 2021 11:40pm

Hey all,
So yes I did weld up a tooth but I also emailed stealth and I managed to purchase a few parts for a vboxx they had kicking around which included the gear I needed. The welded one is a spare as of now.
You were lucky. Last year when I reassembled my V-boxx I wanted to put new gaskets on but they couldn't supply them to me.
Does a VBoxx even have any gaskets. I hope I never have to find out.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 01 2021 9:46am

@1abv... if you have a picture of your setup, that might help as well. I know you're all about taking project pictures.. :lol:

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 01 2021 11:26am

Well... I have some time to work on the bike today a little further and here is what I found when I removed the plastic wire covering. the insulation along the wires were cracked and broken off, even down to the connection area on the hub. I wasn't expecting that at all. I also disassembled the controller to inspect the wires inside as well. They look to be in good shape, nice solder joints, etc.. which leads me to my next question.

For those of you that replaced the phase wires, did you also replace them on the controller side, or just the motor side...thoughts..? I'm also think that, while I have to hub apart that I should replace the bearings. I'm trying to find a part number but there is nothing on the bearings themselves.

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Post by 1abv » Sep 01 2021 5:12pm

that's really interesting. All of our boards are obviously hand soldered. My caps on my old board were all horizontal while yours are all vertical. I did not redo the controller wires. They seemed to be in fine shape. On the other hand the motor phase wires were just like yours. All cracked. Have you checked your caps on the controller to make sure they are not burnt at all? From the pics they look good. In my controller the caps were fine it was the legs of the caps that were all broke.

I dont think switching out the controller wires will really do that much. seems like breaking issues are by the motor side. Mine were like that. The controller wires were fine the motor wires were cracked.

TV the Vboxx does have gaskets. If yours tears you can use yamabond or some such RTV to make a gasket works fine. its only grease in there. Its grooved on one side but really what ever its grease so a little RTV would be fine.

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Left to right..
Mini XLR - this is what came with the bike.
M14-9 IP67 IP68 9 Pin Waterproof Connector- this is what I switched to. I also made my harness modular. You can see how tight it gets in there esp w shrink for all of the wires. Big pain in the ass to solder and the cap beacuse its tapered does not have a lot of room for all those wires and shrink.

JST This is what I have now, still modular harness just swapped out the M14 with this.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Cowardlyduck » Sep 02 2021 6:07am

Technically you can go even further (I have) and replace the hall sensor wires with ultra thin 36awg wire to fit even more in through the axle. I did this as well as grinding the channel larger and replacing the silicone wire with heatshring when I added fans inside my hub motor so I could run the 2 extra 20awg wires I needed for the fans. Worked (and is still working) well!

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » Sep 02 2021 10:52am

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Ok so I couldn't help myself... I switched to speakON for the charging cable. The way Neutrik designed it is pretty cool. I tinned my wires from the charger and the connector has screw terminals. Chucked some Locktite on the screws.. easy!. They also come with cable stress relif. On the bike side the one that was in stock was a solder on type. I used the 4 connector version but am only using 2 of the connectors. The 4 connector has a nice metal latch where the 2 connector has a plastic one.

bike side:
https://www.showmecables.com/neutrik-sp ... Connectors

Cable side:
https://www.showmecables.com/by-categor ... -connector

This mod requires hogging out the existing hole because the speakON is a bit wider. Used a step drill bit for that part. The small bolts still line up fine and im using the old rubber XLR cover


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BTW I didn't know this until I used it but a really nice thing about the speakON is that its a twist lock system vs a straight push in of the XLR. So you don't rely on friction for a connection.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Rix » Sep 02 2021 1:43pm

1abv wrote:
Sep 01 2021 12:08am
WHAT????what is this madness??????


Yes that is the legendary Stealth Bomber number 143 that you may recognize. The man, The legend Rix was so cool give me Bomber 143 so that I can breath life back into it. We spoke on the phone and let me tell you he is such a great guy in person as he is in these pages and has left an everlasting imprint always happy to give advice and always testing and modding. Well as you know this is the forum for the OG gangster ebike so in the future you all will be getting a first hand seat to rebuilding. Now it may take me a minute but it will be worth it for sure! Rix thank you again you are the man!!
Thank you for the kind words, I am really looking forward to seeing what you come up with and seeing bomber 143 brought back to life. Glad it has a great home. :bigthumb:

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Post by 1abv » Sep 03 2021 12:32pm

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Post by StudRock » Sep 03 2021 1:05pm

Beautiful view..!! - Thats one hell of a headlight you have on there too... holy cow is that bright.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 05 2021 1:17pm

Hey guys... a majority of the parts that I ordered are scheduled to be here on Monday. So I'm chomping at the bit to get started.

QQ - I was doing a little more research on swapping out the phase wires and I noticed from some of the pictures that I found on the forum that, some hubs do NOT have the junction block that I've shown in the picture below. I'm "ASSUMING" that all that needs to be done is de-soldering the joints that I've highlighted in yellow arrows below, removing the old wire and soldering up the new wire. I ask because some of the pictures that I'm seeing, the wires are soldered directly together.

I've also been told that, with the new 10 awg wire, I have to remember to strip the insulation long enough to match the axel shaft in order for ALL of the wires to fit though.

If there are any other tips that I'm missing, please let me know....

Thanks...

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by pizza, YES? » Sep 06 2021 7:38am

My bike was out of action for about a week just recently, whenever I can't ride it for more than a few days like that I totally feel like this guy :(


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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » Sep 07 2021 12:21pm

StudRock wrote:
Sep 05 2021 1:17pm
Hey guys... a majority of the parts that I ordered are scheduled to be here on Monday. So I'm chomping at the bit to get started.

QQ - I was doing a little more research on swapping out the phase wires and I noticed from some of the pictures that I found on the forum that, some hubs do NOT have the junction block that I've shown in the picture below. I'm "ASSUMING" that all that needs to be done is de-soldering the joints that I've highlighted in yellow arrows below, removing the old wire and soldering up the new wire. I ask because some of the pictures that I'm seeing, the wires are soldered directly together.

I've also been told that, with the new 10 awg wire, I have to remember to strip the insulation long enough to match the axel shaft in order for ALL of the wires to fit though.

If there are any other tips that I'm missing, please let me know....

Thanks...

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My motor is exactly the same inside. Same board. By your pics it looks like the old school c-lyte 5304 please anyone chime up if im wrong....
I wound up de-soldering the stock wires and soldering new 10 awg to that board. I think that board may be some kind of stress relief? or "clean" spot to have all of the wires soldered.
BTW if you do have the same motor the bearings you need are: (btw these are the sealed variant)
6005-2RSH
6004-2RSH
I think that the H at the end is a SKF thing. When I ordered a new set of bearings for my bike they were not SKF and did not have the H at the end. They were still sealed bearings and fit perfectly.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 07 2021 5:47pm

Okay, now you have me thinking what type of motor it is. The bike is a 2016 with a SN# of 744. You're saying 5304, but I think you mean 5403. While I have the hub apart is there any numbers to look for to confirm....?

Yes, because of the holiday, all the parts are delayed. I should start to get some of the wires and XT connectors tomorrow.

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Post by 1abv » Sep 07 2021 6:00pm

Yes indeed you are correct! Your bike is newer than mine! I have older motor. The motors look identical from the pics! Makes me wonder if the bearings are the same.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 08 2021 8:28am

Okay... for the life of me, I can't find out how to tell what motor's we have (5403, 04, etc... There is absolutely no marking on the inside of the hub that I can see. I did a google search and wasn't able to find anything... Any thoughts..?

@abv... Well, regardless we'll find out, I ordered a set but then I was told they wont be in until late September, so I just ordered another set from Amazon...

I am interested in finding out how to tell what Crystalyte motor I have..

Any help guys..?

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 08 2021 10:28am

Well, I received part of the delivery today, the phase wires and XT connectors.

No pun intended, but Phase 1 of the project is completed. Now I'm just waiting on the hall wires and connectors and the axle bearings. At least I can get the wiring done today.

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Post by 1abv » Sep 08 2021 10:26pm

That looks super clean! The inside of my motor does not look like that!
Hey I noticed it looks like you don't have a temp sensor in there... please let me know if...
A- im on crack and can't see it.
B- you haven't installed one yet.
C- We don't need no stinkin temp sensors.
Btw I have no idea how to wire it to the DS1..

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 09 2021 8:41am

1abv wrote:
Sep 08 2021 10:26pm
That looks super clean! The inside of my motor does not look like that!
Hey I noticed it looks like you don't have a temp sensor in there... please let me know if...
A- im on crack and can't see it.
B- you haven't installed one yet.
C- We don't need no stinkin temp sensors.
Btw I have no idea how to wire it to the DS1..

Thank you... that was Pre-Prep before I put the red varnish on. Honestly it wasn't that bad prior to the clean up either.

No... the temp sensor is there, just on the other side of the hub.. .here you go..! .. and its already wired up to the DC1

On a side note.. you were going to see if you could locate what type and where you got the JST-SM connector for the Hall & Temp wire. If you have some time today can you take a look. late yesterday I finally received the 8-pin water proof connector that I ordered and they are Waaaaay to freakin big. Doing a little more research last night, I think I want the JST-SM 8-pin connector with either a 0.1 pitch or a 1.25 pitch, but I can't find them anywhere where they are not backordered... The connectors for the hall wires are the only thing I have left to do. I'm going to varnish the other side of the hub today and probably put the wheel back together tonight or tomorrow.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by StudRock » Sep 09 2021 10:51am

Phase wires and XT connectors are wired on to the controller.

I made a quick jig and soldering station to make it a little easier on myself. I also setup the XT connectors in such a way where its next to impossible to connect the wrong wires.

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Post by 1abv » Sep 09 2021 11:47am

Super clean install! Not sure if that was factory to use the bracket to hold the wiring for the temp sensor but very clean. Mine is high temp RTV-ed and zippy tied (messier). I have it mounted into the windings so its a little further out than yours. As far as the JST's here is the kit that I used.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YXY415S/re ... UTF8&psc=1

It works fine but if I had to do it all over again I would have got a kit with connectors that can accommodate more pins so I'm only using one connector.

I've never used these but here is a 8 pin kit in stock.

https://www.amazon.com/QLOHNI-1120Pcs-H ... 157&sr=8-4

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