E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Show off your E-bike creation here.
Theodore Voltaire   1 MW

1 MW
Posts: 1688
Joined: Sep 26 2013 11:41pm
Location: Dallas

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Theodore Voltaire » Apr 15 2018 8:52am

I would not be particularly worried about running a 92v battery with a 100v controller. I think I read somewhere that my controller is 65 amp max, and it comes from the factory set for 60 amp even though I always see 67 amp peak recorded.

How many thousands does this amazing new battery cost?

User avatar
Rix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 6418
Joined: Mar 29 2012 11:26am
Location: Fallon NV USA

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Rix » Apr 15 2018 9:36am

Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Apr 15 2018 8:52am
I would not be particularly worried about running a 92v battery with a 100v controller. I think I read somewhere that my controller is 65 amp max, and it comes from the factory set for 60 amp even though I always see 67 amp peak recorded.

How many thousands does this amazing new battery cost?
Not sure what the cost is, but on a guess, north of 2K. You are right about the controller, it is a "60amp" 18fet unit like my Bomber is, but I routinely see 72-73amp peaks on the CA.

User avatar
Rix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 6418
Joined: Mar 29 2012 11:26am
Location: Fallon NV USA

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Rix » Apr 15 2018 9:43am

cut cat wrote:
Apr 15 2018 6:09am
Rix wrote:
Apr 09 2018 7:26am
cruzxia wrote:
Apr 08 2018 2:15am
Image
B52 in paradise. :D
Nice new B52 Cruzxia, I see its shod with the latest and greatest Stealth modified H55XX, how does that pull compared to the older 5403? BTW, where have you been?
Any one know if its a H5580 or H55100?

Motor Model H5580
Motor Speed 80km.hr / 72V
Max. Torque Nm 88N.m / 710rpm / 72V 40A
Voltage Range 48V ~ 96V
Suggest Current Max. 60A
Motor Weight 12kg

Motor Model H55100
Motor Speed 100km.hr / 96V
Max. Torque Nm 145N.m / 937rpm / 96V 42A
Voltage Range 48V ~ 96V
Suggest Current Max. 60A
Motor Weight 12kg

Also a new battery and being 22s has got lots to say on improved performance. New batteries always pull like a train.
I don't know if its a H5580 or H55100. I do know the newest bike is capable of speeds of 60+mph with the new battery. Looking at the specs you posted, I am thinking the 5580 and 55100 are the same motor and are rated differently with different controller/volt combos. I say this because the H55100 is rated for 100km/H on 96 volts and the 5580 is rated for 80km/H on 72 volts. My thinking is if the 5580 goes 80km/H on 72 volts, and one was to bump volts up to 96, the 5580 would go 100 km/H because of the higher volts.

User avatar
brumbrum   100 kW

100 kW
Posts: 1246
Joined: Oct 30 2010 3:29pm
Location: Wales U.K

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by brumbrum » Apr 19 2018 1:46am

A bit off topic but a lot of users on this thread probably use/have used the DMN rcp3 rear shock.
Question,, does the piggyback chamber contain air or nitrogen? Do i need to adjust it feom new or just leave as is?
Thanks Guys
Andrew.
My NYX and cromotor build
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74615
My LMX 161 dirt bike build
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=94074

User avatar
efMX Trials Electric Freeride   100 kW

100 kW
Posts: 1111
Joined: Feb 15 2013 4:43pm

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Apr 19 2018 10:04am

brumbrum wrote:
Apr 19 2018 1:46am
A bit off topic but a lot of users on this thread probably use/have used the DMN rcp3 rear shock.
Question,, does the piggyback chamber contain air or nitrogen? Do i need to adjust it feom new or just leave as is?
Thanks Guys
Andrew.
the pressure chamber is air and is pressurized from the manufacturer.. try to get the shock tuned to your rider weight and style / terrain with the external adjustments and maybe a stiffer spring first before messing with the internal pressure and volume adjustments.. might not hurt to check the pressure but will likely lose some pressure by doing that, so make sure you have a high quality / pressure suspension pump and a ball inflation needle for that beforehand..
some ride & sk8 videos:
metacafe.com/channels/NATAS666DAMIEN
http://www.youtube.com/natas666damien
i have nothing for sale.. :)

User avatar
brumbrum   100 kW

100 kW
Posts: 1246
Joined: Oct 30 2010 3:29pm
Location: Wales U.K

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by brumbrum » Apr 19 2018 10:32am

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Apr 19 2018 10:04am
brumbrum wrote:
Apr 19 2018 1:46am
A bit off topic but a lot of users on this thread probably use/have used the DMN rcp3 rear shock.
Question,, does the piggyback chamber contain air or nitrogen? Do i need to adjust it feom new or just leave as is?
Thanks Guys
Andrew.
the pressure chamber is air and is pressurized from the manufacturer.. try to get the shock tuned to your rider weight and style / terrain with the external adjustments and maybe a stiffer spring first before messing with the internal pressure and volume adjustments.. might not hurt to check the pressure but will likely lose some pressure by doing that, so make sure you have a high quality / pressure suspension pump and a ball inflation needle for that beforehand..
Thanks for the help. There is no mention of the piggyback chamber in the setup manual. I will just tune preload/compression/rebound and see how it plays out. I have a couple of shock pumps here so am covered for that.
Cheers
My NYX and cromotor build
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74615
My LMX 161 dirt bike build
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=94074

User avatar
efMX Trials Electric Freeride   100 kW

100 kW
Posts: 1111
Joined: Feb 15 2013 4:43pm

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Apr 19 2018 11:38am

brumbrum wrote:
Apr 19 2018 10:32am
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Apr 19 2018 10:04am
brumbrum wrote:
Apr 19 2018 1:46am
A bit off topic but a lot of users on this thread probably use/have used the DMN rcp3 rear shock.
Question,, does the piggyback chamber contain air or nitrogen? Do i need to adjust it feom new or just leave as is?
Thanks Guys
Andrew.
the pressure chamber is air and is pressurized from the manufacturer.. try to get the shock tuned to your rider weight and style / terrain with the external adjustments and maybe a stiffer spring first before messing with the internal pressure and volume adjustments.. might not hurt to check the pressure but will likely lose some pressure by doing that, so make sure you have a high quality / pressure suspension pump and a ball inflation needle for that beforehand..
Thanks for the help. There is no mention of the piggyback chamber in the setup manual. I will just tune preload/compression/rebound and see how it plays out. I have a couple of shock pumps here so am covered for that.
Cheers
this is about all i found with regard to the rear shock pressure chamber from the online manual :

"the shock has been filled with high pressure air (80 - 100 psi) during production. Do not remove the valve to prevent air leaking."
some ride & sk8 videos:
metacafe.com/channels/NATAS666DAMIEN
http://www.youtube.com/natas666damien
i have nothing for sale.. :)

Athaneco   100 W

100 W
Posts: 160
Joined: Mar 18 2013 3:13pm
Location: Athens / Greece

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Athaneco » Apr 29 2018 3:23pm

Hello

I have a question for anyone that has stripped successfully a b52. I have a 2015 b52 that i want the frame to be repainted due to damage. I m in the process of taking it apart so i would like to ask in order to avoid any damage. Below are my questions for which i would appreciate your replies:

a. How to i safely(without damaging) remove the cycle analyst from the frame (please check the photo)
b. How to i remove the spring from dmm rear shock (the spring only)
c. Is removing the front fork(888) straight forward as it looks or is there any trick i should be careful of.
d. Do i remove the the gear shifting cables , from the hand shifter to pass them through the frame? or do i remove them from the gearbox?. Is there something i should be careful of ?

Many thanks
Attachments
image4.jpeg
image4.jpeg (65.21 KiB) Viewed 929 times
image2.jpeg
image2.jpeg (46.14 KiB) Viewed 929 times
image3.jpeg
image3.jpeg (73.54 KiB) Viewed 929 times
image1.jpeg
image1.jpeg (47.95 KiB) Viewed 929 times

User avatar
CJonaBttlrckt   10 W

10 W
Posts: 73
Joined: May 27 2013 5:44am
Location: West of Sydney

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by CJonaBttlrckt » May 01 2018 10:31pm

Rix wrote:
Apr 12 2018 11:52am
Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Apr 12 2018 9:49am
I keep hearing about a new Bomber battery, but I can't find any information about it. What's the scoop?
22s (92 volts HOC) and 24Ah with a 100amp capable BMS. The scoop is more volts and less volt sag equals more go fast :D
Hi folks,
Rix, is the chemistry still LiFePo4 or Li-ion as I understand the Fighter now is?
Cheers,
Clinton

User avatar
CJonaBttlrckt   10 W

10 W
Posts: 73
Joined: May 27 2013 5:44am
Location: West of Sydney

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by CJonaBttlrckt » May 01 2018 10:47pm

Athaneco wrote:
Apr 29 2018 3:23pm
Hello

I have a question for anyone that has stripped successfully a b52. I have a 2015 b52 that i want the frame to be repainted due to damage. I m in the process of taking it apart so i would like to ask in order to avoid any damage. Below are my questions for which i would appreciate your replies:

a. How to i safely(without damaging) remove the cycle analyst from the frame (please check the photo)

b. How to i remove the spring from dmm rear shock (the spring only)

c. Is removing the front fork(888) straight forward as it looks or is there any trick i should be careful of.
d. Do i remove the the gear shifting cables , from the hand shifter to pass them through the frame? or do i remove them from the gearbox?. Is there something i should be careful of ?

Many thanks
a.probably same as CA attachment method?...bloody strong double sided tape...be carefull!!

b. undo spring preload collet...compress spring using spring compressor or very strong friend...slide off slotted collet.

c. same as a bicycle...undo headtube retaining screw...loosen and remove stem...loosen and remove top triple clamp...slide fork out bottom being careful not to lose ball bearings/races..use soft dolly to hammer out bearing cups pressed into frame...I recall mine were a tight fit and took some caution but firm hitting.

d. shift cables on a drum assembly that screws [three screws] to the side of the gearbox [either first or ninth gear when removing?]...avoid removing cables from the shift drum and I also don't suggest you pull apart the gearbox beyond removing the shift drum...very easy to make a mistake and messy to get right again particularly if one is not mechanically minded/skilled!

Cheers

Athaneco   100 W

100 W
Posts: 160
Joined: Mar 18 2013 3:13pm
Location: Athens / Greece

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Athaneco » May 02 2018 3:04am

Thanks CJonaBttlrckt.
Only tricky part as you mentioned was to remove the CA .With a little assistance of a blow dryer it came off. But double sided sticker was destroyed completely. Not much harm caused though. I guess they are supposed to be one use.
Regarding the gear shift, yes i removed the shift drum from the vbox and passed it through the hole of the frame, that was designed just enough to pass through.
After i stripped the bike to its bare frame, i think stealth did a very good job on this and maybe that explains why it still is (several years already) one of the best bikes in this category. The frame is just right, with no extra weight/excess material used/with all screws easily accessible/safety in mind/ i think even if a 1 or 2 frame screws would fail simultaneously , the bike wouldn't break apart .
Attachments
frame stealth.jpg

User avatar
Rix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 6418
Joined: Mar 29 2012 11:26am
Location: Fallon NV USA

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Rix » May 02 2018 2:53pm

CJonaBttlrckt wrote:
May 01 2018 10:31pm
Rix wrote:
Apr 12 2018 11:52am
Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Apr 12 2018 9:49am
I keep hearing about a new Bomber battery, but I can't find any information about it. What's the scoop?
22s (92 volts HOC) and 24Ah with a 100amp capable BMS. The scoop is more volts and less volt sag equals more go fast :D
Hi folks,
Rix, is the chemistry still LiFePo4 or Li-ion as I understand the Fighter now is?
Cheers,
Clinton
No, both chemistries are LI Ion based. The Fighter is a 14s 30Ah pack now and not any bigger than the older 16S 18Ah Lifepo4 pack they used to run.

Athaneco   100 W

100 W
Posts: 160
Joined: Mar 18 2013 3:13pm
Location: Athens / Greece

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Athaneco » May 06 2018 11:43am

Hi

I have a question . I have two b52s one is a late 2015 and one is 2018 model. Since they are 2 i am thinking to set one (the 2015 one) for on road use i.e. to install the crazy bob tyres. Rims on both b52 are the new type. How do the crazy bobs handle off road terrain? Do they pinch flat easily? Reason i ask is that in case i lend my bike to a friend to go a little off road too along with the other b52 , will it be difficult and risky for a pinch flat. I know the duros are duros, havent had a flat tire for a long time even after much offroad abuse

1abv   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 475
Joined: Mar 29 2013 11:19pm

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » May 06 2018 8:51pm

It lives again!!!!
after:
1 rebuild of the motor, including rewiring w thicker gauge wire and better connectors, bearings and gaskets...
2 injections of ferro fluid for cooling
1 set of hub sinks
2 times rebuilding of the rear wheel.... one time it went and tacoed itself on the short end of a jump. how did that happen????
2 sets of front forks now marzocchi 888 with different spring and oil
2 rebuilds / revalves of the rear shock
3 different springs for the rear shock
1 new braking system ala saints. a bit of custom work to get everything to play nice..but good god do they rock mighty!!
3 different paint jobs (grey, plum crazy purple, and now line light) some one has a thing for early 70's mopars....
2 seats
1 custom telescoping seat post
1 rebuilding/welding and bracing of the frame
2 rebuilds of the vboxx including new swing arm bearings (its like clockwork orange in there!) actually its not all that bad...
2 different set of grips
2 sets of bars
2 sets of freewheels and a rebuild of one...
1 temp sensor added with temp rollback and cutoff, had to mod/solder the cycle analyst for that one ahh memories....
1 thick tube bicycle on the front and a standard moto in the rear w moto tire on the rear running at 15psi front and rear never had a flat yet...
2 sets of crank arms...
1 new set of pedals saints....

Cane it an maintain it.... ride, break, improve, repeat......If anyone has questions about the vboxx hit me up... its really not bad to take apart..

werd fellas!

User avatar
Bexxer   10 mW

10 mW
Posts: 29
Joined: Jul 12 2013 4:20pm
Location: NJ/CO

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Bexxer » May 07 2018 6:44am

Checking in, it’s been a while. I am riding sparingly but determined to change that this summer following a hip surgery last year and realizing how much therapy I get from riding Stealth.
I also want to learn more about how my bike works technically. Any advice on good websites / videos to look up regarding electric bike technology and inparticular the Stealth Bomber?
My #366 is still going strong with only just over 500 Miles on it in less than 4 years but I have noticed a drop in power. I guess that’s normal for aging batteries huh.
Incidentally anyone know what is the number of Bombers in circulation these days? Just curious. Cheers, Bex
Bomber # 366

User avatar
bigbore   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 460
Joined: Sep 25 2009 7:43am
Location: Italy

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by bigbore » May 07 2018 7:39am

1abv wrote:
May 06 2018 8:51pm
It lives again!!!!
after:
1 rebuild of the motor, including rewiring w thicker gauge wire and better connectors, bearings and gaskets...
2 injections of ferro fluid for cooling
1 set of hub sinks
2 times rebuilding of the rear wheel.... one time it went and tacoed itself on the short end of a jump. how did that happen????
2 sets of front forks now marzocchi 888 with different spring and oil
2 rebuilds / revalves of the rear shock
3 different springs for the rear shock
1 new braking system ala saints. a bit of custom work to get everything to play nice..but good god do they rock mighty!!
3 different paint jobs (grey, plum crazy purple, and now line light) some one has a thing for early 70's mopars....
2 seats
1 custom telescoping seat post
1 rebuilding/welding and bracing of the frame
2 rebuilds of the vboxx including new swing arm bearings (its like clockwork orange in there!) actually its not all that bad...
2 different set of grips
2 sets of bars
2 sets of freewheels and a rebuild of one...
1 temp sensor added with temp rollback and cutoff, had to mod/solder the cycle analyst for that one ahh memories....
1 thick tube bicycle on the front and a standard moto in the rear w moto tire on the rear running at 15psi front and rear never had a flat yet...
2 sets of crank arms...
1 new set of pedals saints....

Cane it an maintain it.... ride, break, improve, repeat......If anyone has questions about the vboxx hit me up... its really not bad to take apart..

werd fellas!
I have a question regarding the V-boxx: did you get replacements gaskets or other parts to rebuild the V-boxx?

1abv   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 475
Joined: Mar 29 2013 11:19pm

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » May 08 2018 1:10pm

I have never had to deal w getting new gaskets etc. they are made out of a rubber material that is made to be re-used. and even if it broke I would just chuck some silicone or yamahbond in there and call it a day.

As far as getting internal parts for the vboxx its not easy.. Your best bet is to get them from stealth or find someone w spares. Even then its a pain in the ass...Thankfully the internals of that thing are pretty strong. Interesting note, some of the internal parts are hand stamped with construction dates and initials on them...

If you follow D-logic youtube vid its pretty easy. I did a few mods to what he said, for example I made cardboard "templates" of the side cases, drew w marker all of the locations of the bolts and pushed the actual bolts through the cardboard so I would never loose them or put the wrong bolts in the wrong place.

The most challenging part is the reassembly and making sure the detents on the "clutches" line up with the bearings on the aluminum d shaped rods and the other part is aligning the square ended shifter rod with the shift cable assembly. The clutches have very fine teeth on them as does the shifter rod and can be moved out of place easily.

why are you taking yours apart?

User avatar
bigbore   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 460
Joined: Sep 25 2009 7:43am
Location: Italy

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by bigbore » May 08 2018 1:48pm

I lost 1st, 2nd and 4th gears. I mean when I select these gears nothing happen and the pedals spins forward freely, I guess the clutches do not engages for some reason. I also have a grease leak from the center of the chain spur gear that I fixed with a rubber stopper.

Image

User avatar
Rix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 6418
Joined: Mar 29 2012 11:26am
Location: Fallon NV USA

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Rix » May 08 2018 2:45pm

bigbore wrote:
May 08 2018 1:48pm
I lost 1st, 2nd and 4th gears. I mean when I select these gears nothing happen and the pedals spins forward freely, I guess the clutches do not engages for some reason. I also have a grease leak from the center of the chain spur gear that I fixed with a rubber stopper.

Image
Martin, aka Dlogic made these repair vids for the Vboxx. They are awesome. You should be able to figure out why 1, 2, and 4 aren't working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgog-W3QLVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oI2O1F0k3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruRTLlFsiA

heynow9991   10 mW

10 mW
Posts: 22
Joined: Feb 01 2016 10:33am

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by heynow9991 » May 08 2018 4:00pm

HI, I have some questions about an older Stealth fighter. I am considering buying a Stealth fighter with no battery. I believe it was number 56? Can anyone point me to where I can find the specs for battery compartment size , how many volts the controller can take etc. My plan would be to build my own battery out of 18650's. I have an outboard motor that can handle a 14s battery (58.8v) and I would like to know if this would be a safe voltage for an old fighter.

Thanks

User avatar
Rix   100 GW

100 GW
Posts: 6418
Joined: Mar 29 2012 11:26am
Location: Fallon NV USA

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Rix » May 08 2018 10:41pm

heynow9991 wrote:
May 08 2018 4:00pm
HI, I have some questions about an older Stealth fighter. I am considering buying a Stealth fighter with no battery. I believe it was number 56? Can anyone point me to where I can find the specs for battery compartment size , how many volts the controller can take etc. My plan would be to build my own battery out of 18650's. I have an outboard motor that can handle a 14s battery (58.8v) and I would like to know if this would be a safe voltage for an old fighter.

Thanks
Yes, 58.8 volts is safe for your Fighter. Fighter #56 is going to have the older larger frame. If my memory serves me correctly, that frame may have been designed for the older Headway Cells. I think that bike was manufactured in the later half of 2010 or early 2011. If you don't buy this bike, could you PM me the seller's info? I would consider restoring a classic Fighter.

1abv   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 475
Joined: Mar 29 2013 11:19pm

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » May 09 2018 12:06am

bigbore wrote:
May 08 2018 1:48pm
I lost 1st, 2nd and 4th gears. I mean when I select these gears nothing happen and the pedals spins forward freely, I guess the clutches do not engages for some reason. I also have a grease leak from the center of the chain spur gear that I fixed with a rubber stopper.

Image
Bigbore check this diagram out...
Image

you may have an issue with center gear on the shaft that your having the leaking issue with. (look at the diagram. the shaft on the top of the diagram) How did the issue happen with the gears spinning? did you hit something? or happen at once? or was it gradual? The leaking has 3 possible spots that I can think of. The gasket under the large chromed bolt in your picture or either of the side cases/bearings where the shaft rests. The shaft is hollow and runs the width of the vboxx.

User avatar
bigbore   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 460
Joined: Sep 25 2009 7:43am
Location: Italy

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by bigbore » May 09 2018 8:25am

1abv wrote:
May 09 2018 12:06am
bigbore wrote:
May 08 2018 1:48pm
I lost 1st, 2nd and 4th gears. I mean when I select these gears nothing happen and the pedals spins forward freely, I guess the clutches do not engages for some reason. I also have a grease leak from the center of the chain spur gear that I fixed with a rubber stopper.

Image
Bigbore check this diagram out...
Image

you may have an issue with center gear on the shaft that your having the leaking issue with. (look at the diagram. the shaft on the top of the diagram) How did the issue happen with the gears spinning? did you hit something? or happen at once? or was it gradual? The leaking has 3 possible spots that I can think of. The gasket under the large chromed bolt in your picture or either of the side cases/bearings where the shaft rests. The shaft is hollow and runs the width of the vboxx.
Thank you for the advice, the issue with the gears happened gradually. It started with 4th gear first than also 1st and 2nd gone bad. Looking at Dlogic's video I guess the clutches do not engages.

1abv   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 475
Joined: Mar 29 2013 11:19pm

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by 1abv » May 09 2018 11:17pm

Yea if it was a sudden thing It could have been a gear but hopefully its just a misalignment issue of the teeth on the clutches which is not that hard to fix.

User avatar
bigbore   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 460
Joined: Sep 25 2009 7:43am
Location: Italy

Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by bigbore » May 10 2018 1:34pm

1abv wrote:
May 08 2018 1:10pm
I have never had to deal w getting new gaskets etc. they are made out of a rubber material that is made to be re-used. and even if it broke I would just chuck some silicone or yamahbond in there and call it a day.

As far as getting internal parts for the vboxx its not easy.. Your best bet is to get them from stealth or find someone w spares. Even then its a pain in the ass...Thankfully the internals of that thing are pretty strong. Interesting note, some of the internal parts are hand stamped with construction dates and initials on them...
But am I wrong or are you the one who needed a new gear?

Post Reply