2012 Top 10 E-S eBikes of the Year

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2012 Top 10 E-S eBikes of the Year

Post by Stevil_Knevil » Nov 13 2012 5:02pm

This should be fun!

If it has pedals and an electric motor, let's post them here ..then put it to a poll.

Top 10(?) go to a final vote.

Deadline for entrants -> 12/1/2012.

Is good?

Edit: Looking for the 10 most badass eBikes/trikes *as seen in 2012 on E-S* :arrow:
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Post by iovaykind » Nov 13 2012 6:02pm

Top 5 to a final vote to let more people play :P

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Post by neptronix » Nov 13 2012 6:03pm

Sigh, we all know that luke wins by default.
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Post by iovaykind » Nov 13 2012 6:06pm

Yeah I could easily name 3 bikes.. wouldn't be fun. Was there a 2011 where they won already? lol

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Post by Stevil_Knevil » Nov 13 2012 6:17pm

I know, right?

Howzabout top 10 of 2012?!

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Post by adrian_sm » Nov 13 2012 6:55pm

How about some categories:

Most Inspiring
- Awarded to an eBike that has helped inspire others

Stealth Award
- The best sleeper ebike,

Most Likely to Maim
- Awarded to the bike most likely to injury those that use it

Technology Innovation Award
- Awarded to biggest technological advancement for ebikes

Noob Helper of the Year
- to the ES member that consistently goes above and beyond the cause to help out the noob in all of us.

Guru of the Year
- to the ES member that consistently provides the high level advice need to resolve the more technical challenges

Epic Fail of the Year
- no need to elaborate on this one

The Missing Link Award
- awarded to a member that offers the most valuable missing links that makes it easier to get your ebike up and running
- not necssarily high tech, but invaluable none the less

Pin Up Award
- the poster child of ebikes for the year
- all about the looks
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Post by liveforphysics » Nov 13 2012 8:42pm

adrian_sm wrote: Most Likely to Maim
- Awarded to the bike most likely to injury those that use it

Deathbike is about 50/50 on riders who've tried it an not been injured vs though that were injured. It's also caused 2 real injures in non-crash situations, one pulled muscle in my neck and another guy's groin pull from acceleration related forces. It's also burned my legs from shooting fire out of a kelly controller and a few motors. Even hurt a pro camera guys eyes (and lens) by throwing molten rubber in his face when he squatted down and told me he wanted to film a "good burnout".

I like that it employs such a generous variety of methods to injure. Fire, g-forces from not crashing, g-forces from crashing, abrasions with pavement, crashing into obstacles, cars, motorcycles, trees, etc.

Deathbike is my baby, and I love her, she is my favorite method of transportation, wouldn't change a thing about her, unless that change involved adding power or removing weight. :-)
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Post by Samd » Nov 13 2012 9:08pm

+1 for your categories Adrian.

Itd actually be cool to be able to donate a beer token or a buck towards a prize...

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Post by MattyCiii » Nov 13 2012 9:32pm

I'd like to nominate Oatnet's A-Line(s) for "Most Inspiring": http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=34230

That build thread inspired me to go out and build (OK, start building) a bike I don't need that's way out of my skill class, just because it's so badazz. Definitely inspiring.
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Post by neptronix » Nov 13 2012 9:59pm

liveforphysics wrote:Deathbike is about 50/50 on riders who've tried it an not been injured vs though that were injured. It's also caused 2 real injures in non-crash situations, one pulled muscle in my neck and another guy's groin pull from acceleration related forces. It's also burned my legs from shooting fire out of a kelly controller and a few motors. Even hurt a pro camera guys eyes (and lens) by throwing molten rubber in his face when he squatted down and told me he wanted to film a "good burnout".

I like that it employs such a generous variety of methods to injure. Fire, g-forces from not crashing, g-forces from crashing, abrasions with pavement, crashing into obstacles, cars, motorcycles, trees, etc.

Deathbike is my baby, and I love her, she is my favorite method of transportation, wouldn't change a thing about her, unless that change involved adding power or removing weight. :-)
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Post by energyi » Nov 13 2012 10:50pm

Most inspiring, itchynackers (Adam Griffin) 9C 2810 came in third place (first bike) at Pikes Peak. http://www.electricbike.com/hub-motor-pikes-peak/
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Post by arkmundi » Nov 14 2012 2:21pm

Nomination: leonardo's Build my own e-bike, building a 50 mph bike from component parts. Don't know about categories, just the bike I drool over in consideration. Truly outstanding. :mrgreen:

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Post by liveforphysics » Nov 14 2012 2:44pm

arkmundi wrote:Nomination: leonardo's Build my own e-bike, building a 50 mph bike from component parts. Don't know about categories, just the bike I drool over in consideration. Truly outstanding. :mrgreen:

Whoa. Partially assembling a handful of common off the shelf components into a 1/4 finished bike gets your bike of the year vote??
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Post by arkmundi » Nov 14 2012 3:23pm

Perhaps you should lay out your criteria for selection better. I've seen a lot of ebikes on this forum and none has caused as much drool as this one. Component selection so far is excellent.

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Post by MattyCiii » Nov 14 2012 3:58pm

energyi wrote:Most inspiring, itchynackers (Adam Griffin) 9C 2810 came in third place (first bike) at Pikes Peak. http://www.electricbike.com/hub-motor-pikes-peak/
I was just thinking the same thing. I definitely "second that nomination" FWIW.
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Post by liveforphysics » Nov 14 2012 4:20pm

arkmundi wrote:Perhaps you should lay out your criteria for selection better. I've seen a lot of ebikes on this forum and none has caused as much drool as this one. Component selection so far is excellent.

Somebody picking an off-the-shelf clyte hubmotor, and bolting it to an off-the-shelf frame with no torque arms or anything, just setting it in drop-outs and tightening nuts, then threading/pressing together a handful of other typical off-the-shelf components makes it the bike of the year for you? Or that inspires you somehow? Are you inspired by the saving a portion of each paycheck for money, picking a part, ordering it, taking it out of a box when it arrives, or the threading it onto a bicycle in the normal done-100,000-times-a-day assembly of the parts?


You realize we have members who build entire bikes up from tubing right? Or bamboo, or hand laid carbon, or re-purposed/recycled materials, design them to outperform anything off-the-shelf you can buy my leaps and bounds, make their own motors and controllers from scratch, etc etc, and your bike of the year is someone who points to 10 parts in a catalog and types in a credit card number...
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Post by arkmundi » Nov 14 2012 4:28pm

No, someone who does the research among a myrad possibilities and builds a state-of-the art bike, in part based on research at ES. If the sweat factor does it for you, then OK. I prefer intelligence, R&D, selection of components. I believe, for instance, that Heinzmann with a 150 years of proven development, can build a better electric motor than I can. Reaching that decision requires R&D, the purpose of ES. ES has enabled state-of-the-art. I thought that was the point. Instead of razing a nomination, make one. Let the vote count be the decider. I stated my criteria - a bike that I'd want to own. And no, I don't believe in a bamboo frame or fishing line brakes.

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Post by liveforphysics » Nov 14 2012 4:49pm

arkmundi wrote: I prefer intelligence, R&D, selection of components.


The dude bought a cylte HX series. That's the only electric related part he even has, and it's a semi-medium-OK choice at that (it's not a bad hub, it's just like a perfectly average product that does everything OK and nothing outstanding). What "D" has he done in that R&D that you like? Is bolting it up poorly, no torque-arms etc "development" for you?
arkmundi wrote: I believe, for instance, that Heinzmann with a 150 years of proven development, can build a better electric motor than I can. Reaching that decision requires R&D, the purpose of ES. ES has enabled state-of-the-art.
Heinzmann sells brushed inefficient 350w hubs with NiCd batteries. I don't doubt that's better than you can do, but it's not better than many of us can and do create.

You're kinda amazing to me. Super hype A123 fanboi, then think the best build you've seen on ES is a guy who bought an HX35 and set it into dropouts.
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Post by bzhwindtalker » Nov 14 2012 4:52pm

I'm entering my mid drives. Let's make a breaking stuff stuff cathegory :D
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Bent 2 BB and destroyed 2 belts on my GNG (in less than 30 days) : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=44623
With ride videos.
Clearly not the cleanest builds out there but i'm pushing them to the limits :)

We should award the best ebike wheelie too. Sure, this one goes to mikebikerad : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=45079

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Post by arkmundi » Nov 14 2012 6:04pm

liveforphysics wrote:Heinzmann sells brushed inefficient 350w hubs with NiCd batteries. I don't doubt that's better than you can do, but it's not better than many of us can and do create. You're kinda amazing to me. Super hype A123 fanboi, then think the best build you've seen on ES is a guy who bought an HX35 and set it into dropouts.
You're highly misinformed .....

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Post by liveforphysics » Nov 14 2012 6:20pm

arkmundi wrote:
liveforphysics wrote:Heinzmann sells brushed inefficient 350w hubs with NiCd batteries. I don't doubt that's better than you can do, but it's not better than many of us can and do create. You're kinda amazing to me. Super hype A123 fanboi, then think the best build you've seen on ES is a guy who bought an HX35 and set it into dropouts.
You're highly misinformed .....

Inside a Heinzmann motor (which I think the design has been the same for at least 15 years IIRC?)
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http://www.kinetics.org.uk/html/the_motor.shtml

Heinzmann battery inside. NiCd cells

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http://www.kinetics.org.uk/html/the_power_pack.shtml
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Post by Farfle » Nov 14 2012 7:23pm

bzhwindtalker wrote:I'm entering my mid drives. Let's make a breaking stuff stuff cathegory :D
Frame/swingarm broke 3 times on jumps : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... &start=120
Built a custom mid drive frame with overcomplicated pivot system : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 0&start=80
Bent 2 BB and destroyed 2 belts on my GNG (in less than 30 days) : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=44623
With ride videos.
Clearly not the cleanest builds out there but i'm pushing them to the limits :)

We should award the best ebike wheelie too. Sure, this one goes to mikebikerad : http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=45079
I like the most broken parts category! Probably just a pup with my 3 years of broken parts.
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Post by Samd » Nov 14 2012 11:05pm

+1 broken parts.
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Post by wasp » Nov 14 2012 11:13pm

energyi wrote:Most inspiring, itchynackers (Adam Griffin) 9C 2810 came in third place (first bike) at Pikes Peak. http://www.electricbike.com/hub-motor-pikes-peak/
+1

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2012 Top 10 E-S eBikes of the Year

Post by Stevil_Knevil » Nov 14 2012 11:18pm

adrian_sm wrote:How about some categories:

Most Inspiring
- Awarded to an eBike that has helped inspire others

Stealth Award
- The best sleeper ebike,

Most Likely to Maim
- Awarded to the bike most likely to injury those that use it

Technology Innovation Award
- Awarded to biggest technological advancement for ebikes

Noob Helper of the Year
- to the ES member that consistently goes above and beyond the cause to help out the noob in all of us.

Guru of the Year
- to the ES member that consistently provides the high level advice need to resolve the more technical challenges

Epic Fail of the Year
- no need to elaborate on this one

The Missing Link Award
- awarded to a member that offers the most valuable missing links that makes it easier to get your ebike up and running
- not necssarily high tech, but invaluable none the less

Pin Up Award
- the poster child of ebikes for the year
- all about the looks
Adding subcategories within a 'Top 10' structure could work well ..we do have a very broad range of builds from an extremely diverse group of builders here - and it would be great to cast a large enough net to showcase the Best of the Best.

+1 to adding 'Most Busted Stuff' & 'Best eBike Wheelie' Awards!

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