CruzBike FreeRider / SofRider BBS02 build report

quuxman

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Oakland
I'm pretty happy with this build. As far as I know, it's the first of a kind, being a FWD MBB mid-drive recumbent. A friend of mine and I have built up a variety of 6 rear wheel hub motor CruzBikes (using front wheel hub motors), but I've been curious about mid drives, so we decided to split the cost of this experiment. On a CruzBike, a mid-drive has two additional disadvantages over the obvious rear hub motor setup: all the weight in the front triangle greatly reduces quick maneuverability, and the all-wheel-drive traction is lost. So even before we started we knew we'd be sacrificing the trail riding we regularly enjoy on our existing builds in exchange for efficiency on the road, high speed torque, and very stable steering.

The starting bike is one of the earliest frames by CruzBike and is long out of production. It's actually the very same bike that was used to prototype the first electric CruzBike before all the awesome hub kits and lithium batteries became easily available that we all love. By far, the most difficult part was removing the existing bottom bracket. I finally got it off with a giant crescent wrench while clamping the BB removal tool against the other side of the spindle with a huge C clamp :).

Once I got it together yesterday afternoon we rode it around a parking lot a few times, came back to the garage, fine tuned some things like the speedometer sensor and cabling, and then immediately went back out for some serious testing. I ended up riding 60 miles and climbing 4780 feet yesterday evening. This dropped 10.2V on a 17Ah 14s lithium ion battery charged to 58.4V. Unfortunately the Cycle Analyst 1.0 with that bike was not working, so I can only estimate the WH/m to be about 12. I've gotten better than this on the same ride with my two hub motor builds, but not at the minimal effort I put into pedaling this time! I'm looking forward to comparing the same ride against my Mac motor build with the same battery.

This morning I figured out how to lift the speed limit, and did some more testing and determined the top speed on flats is between 31 and 34 mph (depending on direction on the 3 stretches I tested on). This is with 26" wheels, 44t chain ring, and 11t cassette. I have a bit more to say on my first experience with a BBS02, but I'll save that for another post and finally get to the pictures:

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I'm a big fan of the CruzBike, thanks for posting the pics. May I use these pics in an article for electricbike.com?

It's funny that...if someone wanted to have a hubmotor on the rear, they would have to order a front hub...
 
spinningmagnets said:
I'm a big fan of the CruzBike, thanks for posting the pics. May I use these pics in an article for electricbike.com?

Please do use the pictures, credit my username or my actual name. I have tons of pictures all over the Bay Area of my other 2 hub motor CruzBikes as well if you'd like me to collect some of them.
 
Nice setup!

I'm enjoying a BBSHD build (RidgeRunner, link below) also. Mid drives are getting very good these days, easy installs, quiet, good torque, and climb like crazy, at least in a rear wheel drive.

What percent weight is on the front wheel of a CruzBike?

We need to do some more rides around the bay area, what's next?
 
good torque, and climb like crazy, at least in a rear wheel drive. What percent weight is on the front wheel of a CruzBike?

Yeah. I forgot to mention that for the benefit of new readers. If you have a lot of hills, the weight of the bike will shift back onto the rear wheel, making the front wheel more likely to spin-out, especially at higher power levels. I really do like the CruzBike, but...it works best on flattish land, since it is FWD when using an efficient mid-drive, and mid drives are most desirable on hills.

If you like the CruzBike as much as I do, I think they work well with a geared hub mounted in the back (light-weight, efficient). Average hills are OK, but for steep hills? You need either rear wheel drive, or 2WD, with the mid drive unit driving the rear wheel, while having gears to use...

Of course this particular combo is all theory to me, maybe we should ask the guy who actually has one?
 
They do really well with a gearmotor in the rear and the pedals driving the front wheel, we have gone on some group rides with them and some fairly steep hills. You have to get used to the pedaling interacting with the steering but that doesn't take long to master. They seem to be very efficient, too, with long range on very small battery packs.
 
As long as you're on pavement this mid drive does fine on steep hills. I just did a grocery run on the new machine and it climbed up a 17% grade no problem. The motorized front wheel hasn't slipped on me yet. I find it much easier to slip on my pedal only Silvio where there's uneven torque throughout the crank, and the bike is a lot lighter. Like I wrote above, the mid-drive is pretty sad on trails, like expected. My CruzBike build with rear geared Mac motor climbs amazingly on almost any road or trail; the only time I have to get off is when there are too many rocks or roots on the trail and it's too steep to put my feet down and lift the wheel. Basically where it's too rough for me to enjoy riding any bike and I'd rather walk (I never did like extreme mountain biking, but I love hiking).
 
Alan B said:
Nice setup! What percent weight is on the front wheel of a CruzBike?

Thanks! On my plain Silvio, the center of balance is exactly at the handle bar grips, which are very closely aligned with the rear edge of the front wheel. On the mid-drive build, it's pretty similar, but 2" behind the trailing end of the front wheel, just behind the very front of the seat.

Alan B said:
We need to do some more rides around the bay area, what's next?

Agreed. I'm a big fan of the Oakland hills, (Redwood Regional, Grizly Peak Blvd, etc) because they're so close to home. I'd be happy to lead a ride there. Here's a route along my favorite roads and my all time favorite trail. It's 25 miles and 2500 feet of climbing. If people's bikes can't handle that, I can revise it to a less spectacular route of 14 miles and 1900 feet of climbs:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8100326,-122.2483894/451-501+El+Embarcadero,+Oakland,+CA+94610/@37.8109023,-122.2290676,13z/data=!4m44!4m43!1m35!3m4!1m2!1d-122.1946938!2d37.8146124!3s0x808f87c71d220d7f:0x7c6e985e08992277!3m4!1m2!1d-122.1775289!2d37.8108027!3s0x808f87d45c38d63f:0x926bd5576899421!3m4!1m2!1d-122.1835259!2d37.8140416!3s0x808f87d0f8ad3e51:0xa69e3a8824fa9f2a!3m4!1m2!1d-122.1862339!2d37.833282!3s0x808f87ef8a5b6b4f:0xc2073b40bf47db46!3m4!1m2!1d-122.1555395!2d37.8225336!3s0x808f886654a2bd75:0xac58c3dff6b16ced!3m4!1m2!1d-122.1745298!2d37.7996681!3s0x808f889d4d5628d7:0xdb57a1b264a48414!3m4!1m2!1d-122.2076268!2d37.8169268!3s0x808f87bd3848c19b:0x52f9af8241df0693!1m5!1m1!1s0x808f8746b8249b1d:0x2ad3d3af125210cb!2m2!1d-122.2492242!2d37.8089488!3e1

If others don't want to meet at Lake Merritt, I'm open to suggestions!
 
Alan B said:
IHow much is dirt? How steep?

The trail through Joaquin Miller park is the only dirt part, and mostly it's a big 4 foot wide gravel path. There are short sections of single track, but they are pretty smooth and easy. The way I did this route, the whole trail portion is almost entirely downhill. What dates do you want to ride?
 
amberwolf said:
Is this your friend's build?
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=82727&p=1213919#p1213919

Yep, I borrowed it for a while a couple years ago before I built up my own. It's a great machine.
 
It looks like it's been about two years since you announced this build.

Can you offer any range estimates with the mid-drive BBS02?

Can you comment on the handling with the extra weight of the BBS02 hanging off the bottom bracket?

Thanks.
 
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