leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Show off your E-bike creation here.
hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 21, 2017 9:07 pm

The kit fit for most traditional bike head tube inner diameter should be larger than 32mm

I'm now looking for some hub motor to fit rear wheel
Attachments
170215a.JPG
170215a.JPG (63.26 KiB) Viewed 2071 times
170216b.JPG
170216b.JPG (127.62 KiB) Viewed 833 times
170220a.JPG
170220a.JPG (112.26 KiB) Viewed 2071 times

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 21, 2017 10:26 pm

Integrate frame low down the frame profile is convenient to get on and off the bike,frame space also larger for battery
Attachments
26吋自定b.JPG
26吋自定b.JPG (61.41 KiB) Viewed 833 times

User avatar
Drunkskunk
100 GW
100 GW
Posts: 7059
Joined: Apr 14, 2007 11:37 am
Location: Dallas, Texas. U.S.A.

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by Drunkskunk » Feb 24, 2017 10:52 am

Very nice! where did you find this thing?
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Monster Bike:https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=38667

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 24, 2017 11:29 am

Drunkskunk wrote:Very nice! where did you find this thing?
Thanks! I create it with a mechanic in enemy country through remote controlled build by E mail

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 24, 2017 12:31 pm

Some pictures of process;you know manufacturing quality is commonly NG in China,I have to fix the defects myself after received the kit
Attachments
卡鉗花鼓.JPG
(106.03 KiB) Downloaded 8 times
170211b.JPG
170211b.JPG (64.82 KiB) Viewed 831 times
170211a.JPG
(68.35 KiB) Downloaded 8 times

User avatar
Chalo
100 GW
100 GW
Posts: 6679
Joined: Apr 29, 2009 11:29 pm
Location: Austin, Texas

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by Chalo » Feb 24, 2017 1:00 pm

It's a clever gadget. But having made some stuff along those lines before, I can say with confidence it's an expensive, heavy, complicated, inconvenient way to do what a two wheeler does cheaply, simply, conveniently, and with minimal weight.

I'm sure it works better than the one I made, which has a solid front axle and thus steers like a tilting bakfiets. Which is to say, not very well.
This is to express my gratitude to Justin of Grin Technologies for his extraordinary measures to save this forum for the benefit of all.

User avatar
rborger73
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 636
Joined: Jun 13, 2013 12:19 pm
Location: Currently NW of Pittsburgh, next destination unknown..

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by rborger73 » Feb 24, 2017 2:02 pm

Boy, that would actually make a pretty nice all in one system. How well would having dual hub motors work with the leaning? You could have the battery fit into the new second triangle. As well as the controller. You'd just have to run the throttle up to the steering wheel. Sell additional battery pack for the bikes original triangle. Could you even put a steering sensor that would slow down the inside wheel on a turn, and slightly speed up the outside wheel to make it turn easier? Your weight from the battery would be about as low as you could get it. Just a few thoughts. :wink:

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 24, 2017 2:13 pm

What is that complicate heavy expensive linkage for?certainly not for the majority yet some people need it or it won't appears

You don't have to learn cornering stunt to go down gravel slop or wet and slippery winding roads
Attachments
cornering 2.JPG
cornering 2.JPG (108.13 KiB) Viewed 830 times
drift cornering 小.JPG
drift cornering 小.JPG (107.43 KiB) Viewed 830 times
butcher dog.JPG
(169.22 KiB) Downloaded 7 times
滑跤.jpg
滑跤.jpg (57.98 KiB) Viewed 1985 times
輪陷.jpg
輪陷.jpg (41.5 KiB) Viewed 1985 times
Last edited by hodala on Feb 24, 2017 9:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 24, 2017 8:04 pm

What kind of cargo bike should be better if you were goods or passenger for safety and comfortable sight seeing view ?
Attachments
遛狗車a2.JPG
(146.29 KiB) Downloaded 7 times
21403203800935_742.jpg
21403203800935_742.jpg (117.26 KiB) Viewed 1973 times
food delivery bike.JPG
(69.26 KiB) Downloaded 7 times
RIpeQdg.jpg
RIpeQdg.jpg (34.26 KiB) Viewed 1973 times
狗拖車a.JPG
狗拖車a.JPG (142.21 KiB) Viewed 830 times

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 24, 2017 8:45 pm

rborger73 wrote:Boy, that would actually make a pretty nice all in one system. How well would having dual hub motors work with the leaning? You could have the battery fit into the new second triangle. As well as the controller. You'd just have to run the throttle up to the steering wheel. Sell additional battery pack for the bikes original triangle. Could you even put a steering sensor that would slow down the inside wheel on a turn, and slightly speed up the outside wheel to make it turn easier? Your weight from the battery would be about as low as you could get it. Just a few thoughts. :wink:
Tilting is independent to Steering system, it feels the same with a normal bike

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 24, 2017 11:44 pm

If you guys were interested to have a leaning trike and are able to DIY frame work too,I'm planing to make a small package kit(not easy done components for DIYs :CNC axles with heat treatment,plate forming parts,knuckles sets- - )that only few hundred bucks one can have an easy work complete kit to transform a bike to leaning trike
Attachments
specs 1.JPG
(92.33 KiB) Downloaded 8 times
f frame cycle 01.JPG
(82.51 KiB) Downloaded 8 times

User avatar
Wheazel
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 975
Joined: Nov 02, 2010 2:30 pm
Location: Sundsvall, Sweden

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by Wheazel » Feb 28, 2017 2:21 am

Cool, this is pretty much the same system I built in my trike prototype for winter riding.
The background was added safety on icy roads. Which is accomplishes very well.

However it is always a compromise and it needs to be narrow enough to not be clumsy.
How wide is this front end?

What this system seem to lack are the steering spindle's rotation center projected to the tire contact area (or very close to it)
This means you get a lever that will affect the steering when you hit something with the wheel.

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 28, 2017 6:25 am

Wheazel wrote:Cool, this is pretty much the same system I built in my trike prototype for winter riding.
The background was added safety on icy roads. Which is accomplishes very well.

However it is always a compromise and it needs to be narrow enough to not be clumsy.
How wide is this front end?

What this system seem to lack are the steering spindle's rotation center projected to the tire contact area (or very close to it)
This means you get a lever that will affect the steering when you hit something with the wheel.
Yes there are some geometry compromise to make maximum profits of all,I saw your avatar on website before,why I didn't incline the kingpin is to get more tilt angle

If you want to reduce scrub,build your own wheel rim like a car ones,the scrub 78mm of bike is actually 70mm
Attachments
steer scrub.JPG
(114.87 KiB) Downloaded 6 times
king pin inclination.JPG
(104.4 KiB) Downloaded 6 times
鋁焊輪圈14x1 b.JPG
(70.6 KiB) Downloaded 6 times
rim14b.JPG
(127.79 KiB) Downloaded 6 times
ebike-08.JPG
ebike-08.JPG (76.45 KiB) Viewed 1882 times
ebike-05.JPG
(112.73 KiB) Downloaded 6 times

User avatar
Wheazel
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 975
Joined: Nov 02, 2010 2:30 pm
Location: Sundsvall, Sweden

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by Wheazel » Feb 28, 2017 7:33 am

I am doing a version 2 of the tiltbike for the coming winter, it will however have 4wheels to keep the trackcount in the snow down to 2.
Also easier to avoid obstacles with 2 tracks compared to 3. But everything is compromises left and right.

Good luck with the product!

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 28, 2017 7:41 am

Wheazel wrote:I am doing a version 2 of the tiltbike for the coming winter, it will however have 4wheels to keep the trackcount in the snow down to 2.
Also easier to avoid obstacles with 2 tracks compared to 3. But everything is compromises left and right.

Good luck with the product!
My hybrid leaning quad
Attachments
Hybrid Quad bike.JPG
(89.32 KiB) Downloaded 6 times
Quad4 snow2.JPG
(78.75 KiB) Downloaded 6 times

User avatar
spinningmagnets
100 GW
100 GW
Posts: 10920
Joined: Dec 21, 2007 10:27 pm
Location: Ft Riley, NE Kansas

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by spinningmagnets » Feb 28, 2017 1:11 pm

I'm now looking for some hub motor to fit rear wheel
You sound like you are new to electric hubmotors. Until you gain some experience, I suggest a direct drive hubmotor in the rear wheel with a sensorless controller, that would be the simplest and most reliable system for a beginner. Since this tricycle attachment appears to be for street use (instead of off-road mountain paths) You will be fine if you want to choose a smaller wheel, like a 20-inch. A 20-inch wheel will run cooler and more efficiently than a larger wheel, like a 26/29-inch.

If you like higher speeds, I think you would be happier with a higher voltage battery, like 48V, but...if you are just starting out and don't need very high speeds, a 36V battery will be much more affordable. I suggest buying the largest battery that you can afford. Doing this will allow each cell to run cooler and last many more months than if you put a strain on them.

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Feb 28, 2017 8:35 pm

spinningmagnets wrote:
I'm now looking for some hub motor to fit rear wheel
You sound like you are new to electric hubmotors. Until you gain some experience, I suggest a direct drive hubmotor in the rear wheel with a sensorless controller, that would be the simplest and most reliable system for a beginner. Since this tricycle attachment appears to be for street use (instead of off-road mountain paths) You will be fine if you want to choose a smaller wheel, like a 20-inch. A 20-inch wheel will run cooler and more efficiently than a larger wheel, like a 26/29-inch.

If you like higher speeds, I think you would be happier with a higher voltage battery, like 48V, but...if you are just starting out and don't need very high speeds, a 36V battery will be much more affordable. I suggest buying the largest battery that you can afford. Doing this will allow each cell to run cooler and last many more months than if you put a strain on them.
Thanks!people can see me do mechanism work,not an E guy,prefer a versatile fat e bike that can cruise along beach also do daily shopping job
Attachments
20吋沙灘車DKY.JPG
(152.49 KiB) Downloaded 4 times

User avatar
Wheazel
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 975
Joined: Nov 02, 2010 2:30 pm
Location: Sundsvall, Sweden

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by Wheazel » Mar 02, 2017 10:18 am

hodala wrote:
Wheazel wrote:I am doing a version 2 of the tiltbike for the coming winter, it will however have 4wheels to keep the trackcount in the snow down to 2.
Also easier to avoid obstacles with 2 tracks compared to 3. But everything is compromises left and right.

Good luck with the product!
My hybrid leaning quad
Someone needs to fix some mudguards! :D
That quad has basically the same tilt setup I am planning for the winter quad build.

The main different thing I have done with the front compared to my trike, is separating the tilt and steering movements to different joints.
This gives me more tilt angle while still having an angled kingpin.

Your front end kit seem to use ball joints to give good tilt movement but less steering angle? Or do I misinterpret the pictures?

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Mar 02, 2017 11:19 am

Wheazel wrote:
Someone needs to fix some mudguards! :D
That quad has basically the same tilt setup I am planning for the winter quad build.

The main different thing I have done with the front compared to my trike, is separating the tilt and steering movements to different joints.
This gives me more tilt angle while still having an angled kingpin.

Your front end kit seem to use ball joints to give good tilt movement but less steering angle? Or do I misinterpret the pictures?
Not just ball joint,wondering if you ever saw the tricks before- oversized ball joint with spacers beside so you get enough angle to steer and tilt
Attachments
轉向節2.JPG
(135.85 KiB) Downloaded 2 times
knuckle 講解.JPG
(120.11 KiB) Downloaded 2 times
1426908756-3554502081_n.jpg
1426908756-3554502081_n.jpg (30.81 KiB) Viewed 1748 times

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Mar 04, 2017 10:21 pm

Since some people do cared about king pin inclination,I do the simulation pictures to make sure what is a better choice compromise,I'd seen video of danish products,no more than 30 degree lean angle I guess
Attachments
king pin inclination 5.JPG
(109.21 KiB) Downloaded 2 times
veleon and Mk1.JPG
veleon and Mk1.JPG (97.51 KiB) Viewed 825 times

ScooterMan101
100 kW
100 kW
Posts: 1345
Joined: Oct 06, 2012 4:45 pm
Location: South of San Jose, California.

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by ScooterMan101 » Mar 05, 2017 1:49 am

A whole kit to make any bike into a leaning trike for a few hundred bucks , Yes , Yes !
How much would it cost in shipping from Taiwan to the U.S. ( California ) ?

How much does it weigh ?

Keep in mind that many of us have bikes that have front forks that are tapered, 1 1/8 inches top to 1. 5 inch bottom .
So
You would need to make kits for both kind of bikes, 1) for bikes with head tubes that are straight 1 1/8 inches
and 2 ) for bikes that have head tubes that are 1 1/8 top and 1.5 inch bottom
And/Or
An Adaptor that will allow the use of a straight 1 1/8 tube on your tilting front end, that will fit into a 1.5 inch bottom of head tube on a modern bicycle .

http://www.jensonusa.com/!t52ldrKaaKvm4 ... wAod974Cxg




hodala wrote:If you guys were interested to have a leaning trike and are able to DIY frame work too,I'm planing to make a small package kit(not easy done components for DIYs :CNC axles with heat treatment,plate forming parts,knuckles sets- - )that only few hundred bucks one can have an easy work complete kit to transform a bike to leaning trike
Last edited by ScooterMan101 on Mar 05, 2017 4:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
My first conversion ...

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 1#p1077497

Oh how I wish today for no more rain
Oh how I wish to ride again
Once and for all
And all for once
Cyclist my name forevermore

User avatar
drewjet
10 kW
10 kW
Posts: 920
Joined: Jan 23, 2008 4:34 am
Location: Orlando, FL USA

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by drewjet » Mar 05, 2017 7:06 am

Count me interested too

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Mar 05, 2017 7:54 pm

ScooterMan101 wrote:A whole kit to make any bike into a leaning trike for a few hundred bucks , Yes , Yes !
How much would it cost in shipping from Taiwan to the U.S. ( California ) ?

How much does it weigh ?

Keep in mind that many of us have bikes that have front forks that are tapered, 1 1/8 inches top to 1. 5 inch bottom .
So
You would need to make kits for both kind of bikes, 1) for bikes with head tubes that are straight 1 1/8 inches
and 2 ) for bikes that have head tubes that are 1 1/8 top and 1.5 inch bottom
And/Or
An Adaptor that will allow the use of a straight 1 1/8 tube on your tilting front end, that will fit into a 1.5 inch bottom of head tube on a modern bicycle .
Don't know the freight cost yet
The 26" blue trike is 23.5kg now,the kit modified from motorbike kit still too heavy,fit for 5kw E bike is still ok;I'll lose it's weight later
The kit won't fit all bikes especially fiber frame

User avatar
macribs
1 GW
1 GW
Posts: 3347
Joined: Jul 22, 2014 5:59 pm

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by macribs » Mar 24, 2017 6:30 pm

Chalo wrote:It's a clever gadget. But having made some stuff along those lines before, I can say with confidence it's an expensive, heavy, complicated, inconvenient way to do what a two wheeler does cheaply, simply, conveniently, and with minimal weight.

I'm sure it works better than the one I made, which has a solid front axle and thus steers like a tilting bakfiets. Which is to say, not very well.

A gadget yes, but also nice for a cargo trike. Non leaning trikes are horrible when cornering. Sure there are great two wheeled cargo bikes, but the length of those cargo bikes makes them a bit slow and cumbersome to handle in urban settings, and in tight spaces or if you live in an apartment and use elevator to get up to the flat. Impossible to get a 3m cargo bike into an elevator. A short wheelbase trike is something else, the trike will fit inside elevator. Nice and easy to ride, easy to handle especially in tight places and the width will still let you ride between lanes when traffic is jammed. And on top of that you can carry cargo, pick up parcels or haul enough beer to last a party. Oh and leaning trikes are also insanely fun to ride. It feels like you are ignoring the laws of physics when the trike leans over.

hodala
1 W
1 W
Posts: 61
Joined: Jun 26, 2011 1:22 pm
Location: Taiwan
Contact:

Re: leaning trike cargo bike front end kit

Post by hodala » Dec 16, 2017 11:01 am

pictures- -;gonna modify the 20" fat bike to a e trike for beach cruser
Attachments
171214b.JPG
171214b.JPG (148.73 KiB) Viewed 731 times
IMG_20171214_101030.jpg
IMG_20171214_101030.jpg (112.25 KiB) Viewed 731 times
肥胎20吋.JPG
肥胎20吋.JPG (104.44 KiB) Viewed 731 times
訂製車架與市售車對比a.JPG
(107.85 KiB) Not downloaded yet

Post Reply