France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

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France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by dameri » Mar 09 2020 2:20am

French legislation now bans the practice of eMTB tuning. If an individual or retailer are caught modifying an ebike to derestrict its maximum speed, the offence is now punishable by up to one-year imprisonment (two year for retailers) and up to a €30,000 fine.

https://ebike-mtb.com/en/france-bans-il ... tb-tuning/

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Post by zeccato » Mar 09 2020 10:09am

Exaggerated for private individuals.
They steal freedom.
Before, you rode a horse in complete freedom.
We're becoming slaves to bureaucrats.
25km/h at 1000W I wouldn't complain,
but at 250w it's too soft, a horse has over 700W,
It goes against nature.
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Post by nicobie » Mar 09 2020 1:43pm

becoming?
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Re: France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by flat tire » Mar 09 2020 2:00pm

What if you make your own that was never limited in the first place, is that less of a penalty?

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Post by john61ct » Mar 09 2020 3:57pm

Plenty of jurisdictions DIY is banned altogether.

I bet that becomes more common if the frequency of such casualties continues to increase.

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Re: France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by ZeroEm » Mar 09 2020 4:10pm

Well i'm glad they are raising the limit here.
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Post by markz » Mar 09 2020 7:38pm

No bite to the claims of inprisonment and fines.

Scare tactics is all it is.
Get the Scaredy-cats inline.

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Post by JackFlorey » Mar 09 2020 7:40pm

zeccato wrote:
Mar 09 2020 10:09am
Exaggerated for private individuals.
They steal freedom.
Before, you rode a horse in complete freedom.
Oh, there were plenty of laws surrounding horses in cities back around the 1900's.

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Post by zeccato » Mar 10 2020 2:00am

JackFlorey wrote:
Mar 09 2020 7:40pm
zeccato wrote:
Mar 09 2020 10:09am
Exaggerated for private individuals.
They steal freedom.
Before, you rode a horse in complete freedom.
Oh, there were plenty of laws surrounding horses in cities back around the 1900's.
Sure, it's not like they were crazy in the city, I usually want to go over 25km/h out of town.
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Re: France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by Punx0r » Mar 10 2020 3:44am

The earliest commonly cited speeding fine for a motor vehicle is from 1896 in Kent, England where the driver was doing 8mph in a 2mph limit. I'm sure I've seen an earlier one from Germany, though, where the driver's speed was simply stated as being so furious it caused the curtains of a nearby building to flutter. Perhaps the officer had been enjoying a refreshing stein in the local beer hall when said curtains were wafted into his face, much to his annoyance.

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Re: France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by miro13car » Mar 11 2020 10:56am

French government must be worried about half empty prisons.
prison sentence for mods on ebike?
seriously?
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Post by john61ct » Mar 11 2020 2:12pm

If there aren't penalties strong enough to act as a reliable deterrent then why bother creating the law?

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Post by markz » Mar 11 2020 10:53pm

miro13car wrote:
Mar 11 2020 10:56am
French government must be worried about half empty prisons.
prison sentence for mods on ebike?
seriously?
Scare tactics is all it is.
Its done everywhere.

Prison sentencing is a for profit business in the USA. In Canada, its milked in different ways.

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Re: France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by miro13car » Mar 12 2020 4:21pm

Deterrent?
So why not death penelty?
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Post by Punx0r » Mar 12 2020 7:07pm

"the dyno result is 251 watts - bring out the guillotine!"

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Post by markz » Mar 12 2020 9:57pm

Lots of UK'ers in da house.

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Re: France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Mar 13 2020 4:15pm

miro13car wrote:
Mar 12 2020 4:21pm
Deterrent?
So why not death penelty?
clearly deterrent hasn't worked for cars so why bother even have speed laws.
whereas the streets are soaked in blood from eMTB's.

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Post by markz » Mar 20 2020 4:20am

France will soon ban anyone out of their house, and will put them in prison for a decade and fine them a million euros.
Scare Tactics

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Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Mar 20 2020 10:51am

thanx to the neverendums the only thing i know about the french legal system is it's 'napoleanic' based.
which aiui places priority on protecting the state over the individual, the opposite of what we're used to.
this is how quebec get's away with banning english while the rest of us have to cater to bilingualism & other shit like french is a distinct society but indigenous people aren't & so on.

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Post by maccoa » Mar 20 2020 2:46pm

not seen, not taken. a frenchy who goes to work without oil.
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Re: France bans illegal eMTB tuning with fines up to € 30,000

Post by wturber » Mar 20 2020 10:00pm

john61ct wrote:
Mar 09 2020 3:57pm
Plenty of jurisdictions DIY is banned altogether.

I bet that becomes more common if the frequency of such casualties continues to increase.
Is the frequency increasing? Where are the numbers on that?
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Post by wturber » Mar 20 2020 10:01pm

john61ct wrote:
Mar 11 2020 2:12pm
If there aren't penalties strong enough to act as a reliable deterrent then why bother creating the law?
Sure. Ask Singapore. That's the way they see it.
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Post by Hillhater » Mar 20 2020 10:09pm

And this is from a nation that legally allows school age children, and disqualified drivers, to drive unlicenced cars on public roads ?
..Losing one's driving licence in the UK is a serious matter - expensive and, to say the least, very inconvenient.
But in France, no licence? No problem. You can simply go shopping for a VSP a voiture sans permis - a small two-seater car that anyone aged 14 or over can take out on the road with as little as four hours' experience behind the wheel, sometimes not even that.
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Post by markz » Mar 21 2020 2:46am

Hillhater wrote:
Mar 20 2020 10:09pm
And this is from a nation that legally allows school age children, and disqualified drivers, to drive unlicenced cars on public roads ?
..Losing one's driving licence in the UK is a serious matter - expensive and, to say the least, very inconvenient.
But in France, no licence? No problem. You can simply go shopping for a VSP a voiture sans permis - a small two-seater car that anyone aged 14 or over can take out on the road with as little as four hours' experience behind the wheel, sometimes not even that.
I am moving to France

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