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Could this happen to electric vehicle owners too?

Also posted at another forum.

http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt

State makes big fuss over local couple's vegetable oil car fuel
By HUEY FREEMAN - H&R Staff Writer

DECATUR - David and Eileen Wetzel don't get going in the morning quite as early as they used to.

So David Wetzel, 79, was surprised to hear a knock on the door at their eastside home while he was still getting dressed.

Two men in suits were standing on his porch.

"They showed me their badges and said they were from the Illinois Department of Revenue," Wetzel said. "I said, 'Come in.' Maybe I shouldn't have."

Gary May introduced himself as a special agent. The other man, John Egan, was introduced as his colleague. May gave the Wetzels his card, stating that he is the senior agent in the bureau of criminal investigations.

"I was afraid," Eileen Wetzel said. "I came out of the bathroom. I thought: Good God, we paid our taxes. The check didn't bounce."

The agents informed the Wetzels that they were interested in their car, a 1986 Volkswagen Golf, that David Wetzel converted to run primarily from vegetable oil but also partly on diesel.

Wetzel uses recycled vegetable oil, which he picks up weekly from an organization that uses it for frying food at its dining facility.

"They told me I am required to have a license and am obligated to pay a motor fuel tax," David Wetzel recalled. "Mr. May also told me the tax would be retroactive."

Since the initial visit by the agents on Jan. 4, the Wetzels have been involved in a struggle with the Illinois Department of Revenue. The couple, who live on a fixed budget, have been asked to post a $2,500 bond and threatened with felony charges.

State legislators have rallied to help the Wetzels.

State Sen. Frank Watson, R-Greenville, introduced Senate Bill 267, which would curtail government interference regarding alternative fuels, such as vegetable oil. A public hearing on the bill will be at 1 p.m. today in Room 400 of the state Capitol.

"I would agree that the bond is not acceptable, $2,500 bond," Watson said, adding that David Wetzel should be commended for his innovative efforts. "(His car) gets 46 miles per gallon running on vegetable oil. We all should be thinking about doing without gasoline if we're trying to end foreign dependency.

"I think it's inappropriate of state dollars to send two people to Mr. Wetzel's home to do this. They could have done with a more friendly approach. It could have been done on the phone. To use an intimidation factor on this - who is he harming? Two revenue agents. You'd think there's a better use of their time," Watson said.

The Wetzels, who plan to speak at a Senate hearing in Springfield today, recalled how their struggle with the revenue department unfolded.

According to the Wetzels, May told them during his Jan. 4 visit that they would have to pay taxes at either the gasoline rate of 19Â1⁄2 cents per gallon or the diesel rate of 21Â1⁄2 cents per gallon.

A retired research chemist and food plant manager, Wetzel produced records showing he has used 1,134.6 gallons of vegetable oil from 2002 to 2006. At the higher rate, the tax bill would come to $244.24.

"That averages out to $4.07 a month," Wetzel noted, adding he is willing to pay that bill.

But the Wetzels would discover that the state had more complicated and costly requirements for them to continue to use their "veggie mobile."

David Wetzel was told to contact a revenue official and apply for a license as a "special fuel supplier" and "receiver." After completing a complicated application form designed for businesses, David Wetzel was sent a letter directing him to send in a $2,500 bond.

Eileen Wetzel, a former teaching assistant, calculated that the bond, designed to ensure that their "business" pays its taxes, would cover the next 51 years at their present usage rate.

A couple of weeks later, David Wetzel received another letter from the revenue department, stating that he "must immediately stop operating as a special fuel supplier and receiver until you receive special fuel supplier and receiver licenses."

This threatening letter stated that acting as a supplier and receiver without a license is a Class 3 felony. This class of felonies carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.

On the department of revenue's Web site, David Wetzel discovered that the definition of special fuel supplier includes someone who operates a plant with an "active bulk storage capacity of not less than 30,000 gallons." Wetzel also did not fit the definition of a receiver, described as a person who produces, distributes or transports fuel into the state. So Wetzel withdrew his application to become a supplier and receiver.

Mike Klemens, spokesman for the department of revenue, explained that Wetzel has to register as a supplier because the law states that is the only way he can pay motor fuel tax.

But what if he is not, in fact, a supplier? Then would he instead be exempt from paying the tax?

"We are in the process of creating a way to simplify the registration process and self-assess the tax," Klemens said, adding that a rule change may be in place by spring.

David Wetzel wonders why hybrid cars, which rely on electricity and gasoline, are not taxed for the portion of travel when they are running on electrical power. He said he wants to be treated equally by the law.

David Wetzel, who has been exhibiting his car at energy fairs and universities, views state policies as contradicting stated government aims.

"You hear the president saying we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," Wetzel said. "You hear the governor saying that."

State Rep. Bob Flider, D-Mount Zion, also plans to support legislation favoring alternative fuels.

"I'm disappointed that the Illinois Department of Revenue would go after Mr. Wetzel," Flider said. "I don't think it is a situation that merits him being licensed and paying fees.

"The people at the department of revenue apparently feel they need to regulate him in some way. We want to make sure that he is as free as he can be to use vegetable oil. He's an example of ingenuity. Instead of being whacked on the head, he should be encouraged."

Huey Freeman can be reached at hfreeman@herald-review.com or 421-6985.
 
That's just fukt!

A large portion of fuel tax is supposed to go towards road maintenance. Does it? Not in my world. It goes to a fund that gets raided by the hawks while the potholes get larger.

This reeks of the peak-oil "conspiracy."


Be disagreeable, -S
 
Be it gas taxes or speeding tickets, all the government cares about is getting their pound of flesh from motorists. Fortunately there's no money for the government to make off e-bikes...
 
if ebikes actually caught on in mass (doubtful) they would have to "go after" us for revenue.
 
There is usually some prick in the shadows pushing this kind of action.

Anybody ever knock heads with a neighborhood association? Same kind of stuff... If they don't like you for any reason, they will dig until they can find a lever to pry with.
 
And homeowner's associations! ....if not voluntary and for fun like a tennis club, these groups are all freedom-slurping, individuality-crushing, communist politburos in my book.
 
Matt Gruber said:
if ebikes actually caught on in mass (doubtful) they would have to "go after" us for revenue.

Perhaps, but I think that would be politically unpopular to go after green electric transportation. It will certainly be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
 
It's not a big oil consipiracy, it's just typical piss weak, fithy, money grubbing by spineless bureaucrats/politicians. I recall the exact same thing happened in England years ago. The government got turned onto it because the local supermarket kept selling out of cooking oil, the scum went after the people there too (I can't remember the outcome).

Here's a typical example. Australia is in the middle of one of the longest droughts it's experienced. There's been some mention of rainwater tank rebates to encourage people to install water tanks on their houses, but I heard one politician comment along the lines of "But how would we tax the water?" What? F*ck you! The water falls on *my* roof, runs into *my* tank and you want to tax me on it?!

My contempt for them knows no bounds.
 
What? F*ck you! The water falls on *my* roof, runs into *my* tank and you want to tax me on it?!

You said it...Amen, brother! Praise the....something or other!
 
We're taxed on rainwater right now!

Started 3 years ago, even tho we've been in a drought 7 years out of the past decade. It doesn't amount to a lot, between one & two bucks a month, but it could be ramped up to any rate they want I suppose. The rate is based on the acerage of your property & not on the amount of rainfall at all.

The privatization of the water supply & the taxation of rainfall are the vital first steps b4 the hydrogen economy & infrastructure can be implemented. The beurocracy needs to be in place first. Software b4 hardware.
 
The elderly gentleman should contact Barak Obama's office. Il is Barak's home state. Barak could upstage that prick ALGORE and get some green mileage for his campaign.
 
Well at least I just did !

(http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2)

PS: by way of explanation......yesterday I bought an EV (4 wheel type) on EBay.......needs batteries.......so the above hit home...and I'm in NH !

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The reply !!


Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting Senator Barack Obama, and for sharing this material
with us. Barack greatly appreciates the outpouring of support he has received
from across the country and from Americans around the world, and on behalf of
Obama for America, we appreciate hearing from you.

There is a lot of work to be done, and we appreciate having the benefit of your
ideas. Senator Obama is traveling around America listening to the thoughts and
concerns of people from all walks of life, and reading letters and emails from
many more. Barack knows well that Washington does not have a monopoly on good
ideas, and neither does he. That is why it's important to hear from everyone,
and we will take these thoughts under consideration.

In the meantime, please bookmark http://www.barackobama.com and visit often. We've
built a set of easy-to-use web tools that empower you. At My.BarackObama.com
you can do the following:

Build your own profile and connect with supporters near you
Find or create your own local or national group
Create your own personal fundraising page and track your progress
Find events near you or plan your own
Chronicle your campaign experience on your own blog

And there will be much more to come in the weeks and months ahead.

Thank you again for contacting Senator Obama.

Sincerely,

Obama for America


Contribute: https://donate.barackobama.com
Join the team: http://my.barackobama.com

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You really think they even read the letter about the plight of the elderly people who used vegetable oil to fuel their car? Looks like a typical form letter sent no matter what the question is. The idea is campaign donations. Sorry Barack Hussein Obama you dont get sh#$ from me.

jackatfsi said:
Well at least I just did !

(http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2)

PS: by way of explanation......yesterday I bought an EV (4 wheel type) on EBay.......needs batteries.......so the above hit home...and I'm in NH !

zBt+BqB08oeQhT8BxzI1w8WmBip4Q+eC0060.jpg


The reply !!


Dear Friend,

Thank you for contacting Senator Barack Obama, and for sharing this material
with us. Barack greatly appreciates the outpouring of support he has received
from across the country and from Americans around the world, and on behalf of
Obama for America, we appreciate hearing from you.

There is a lot of work to be done, and we appreciate having the benefit of your
ideas. Senator Obama is traveling around America listening to the thoughts and
concerns of people from all walks of life, and reading letters and emails from
many more. Barack knows well that Washington does not have a monopoly on good
ideas, and neither does he. That is why it's important to hear from everyone,
and we will take these thoughts under consideration.

In the meantime, please bookmark http://www.barackobama.com and visit often. We've
built a set of easy-to-use web tools that empower you. At My.BarackObama.com
you can do the following:

Build your own profile and connect with supporters near you
Find or create your own local or national group
Create your own personal fundraising page and track your progress
Find events near you or plan your own
Chronicle your campaign experience on your own blog

And there will be much more to come in the weeks and months ahead.

Thank you again for contacting Senator Obama.

Sincerely,

Obama for America


Contribute: https://donate.barackobama.com
Join the team: http://my.barackobama.com

---------------------------------------
|Paid for by Obama for America.|
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He's extremely busy and a shitload of e-mail and spam would come in through that form. Snail mail is far more effective, though there'd still be alot of that, but there's a much higher chance of getting a reply from a human.
 
Hi Jack,

Congratz on the EV! (new thread w/ pix ?)

Safe to assume they are filtering all incoming mail and watching for the significant issues to emerge.

Also:
It will always be in your interest to include the terms: donate, contribute, volunteer, check, money...


Many voices, speaking plainly, will be heard.


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