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Post by Mobilicity » Jul 15, 2013 11:19 pm

To whom it may concern,

Hello.

I'm new here.

This is my quad;

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I'm a noobie, so please, be gentle in the tech talk. I have attempted to peruse the site to gain more knowledge, but don't always have time to do so and so still new to the understandings of what is what and translational understandings of information regarding the more technical aspects of components, ratings etc, but i am trying to learn but this is not my forte. I do know what a battery/charger and EV Hub motor including a throttle is but not all the technical components below (such as FET Controllers).

I want an at least 50mph speed out of this...(used to race cars on track and off track, so no stranger to speed, needing brakes for that speed, mechanics of such things, and how to handle a vehicle in the turns). So looking for installer to make it so? I comprehend that wanting more speed will sacrifice some reliability. Willing to learn more of course, in order to make this so, for this quad was supposed to be done in May if the previous vendor actually did what they were paid to do. I am unable to do the install myself for i'm not technically inclined enough, nor able to being in a sit down rolling chair which makes things quite difficult at times. Thanks for your time and input, your help would be very much appreciated seeing as how i'm a rookie on this stuff.

Here's another image that will help you comprehend what will work with my quad;

http://www.spiritoftruth.ca/Images/ATC/hubmotors.jpg
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Post by mattrb » Jul 16, 2013 12:54 am

The quad looks great. Sorry about the deadbeat vendor. Where are you located?
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Post by The fingers » Jul 16, 2013 8:23 am

That's the first 4 wheel handcycle I've seen. Like the light strips and the cargo box, looks beefy too! 8)
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Post by Mobilicity » Jul 16, 2013 2:15 pm

mattrb wrote:The quad looks great. Sorry about the deadbeat vendor. Where are you located?
Toronto.

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Post by Mobilicity » Jul 16, 2013 2:16 pm

The fingers wrote:That's the first 4 wheel handcycle I've seen. Like the light strips and the cargo box, looks beefy too! 8)
:) Glad you like it, yes beefy :) By the way, amazing verse you picked from the Scriptures.

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Post by BanjoWheels » Jul 15, 2014 1:04 pm

I'm wondering if I might be able to meet up with you in Toronto to check your quad cycle out? Could you send me a PM?

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Post by r3volved » Jul 15, 2014 1:13 pm

That's a sweet ride!
That rear end looks like it would actually be compatible with typical hub motors too, which would help you out a ton.
I would love to have a drool over it if you ever find yourself in the Kitchener area.

If you do find a good vendor in local area, please post here.

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Post by Mobilicity » Feb 01, 2016 11:30 pm

BanjoWheels wrote:I'm wondering if I might be able to meet up with you in Toronto to check your quad cycle out? Could you send me a PM?
Sorry for the really late reply... had to go on a journey...

Ya if you want to take a look, let me know...

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Post by Mobilicity » Feb 01, 2016 11:55 pm

r3volved wrote:That's a sweet ride!
That rear end looks like it would actually be compatible with typical hub motors too, which would help you out a ton.
I would love to have a drool over it if you ever find yourself in the Kitchener area.

If you do find a good vendor in local area, please post here.
Sorry for the late reply, like the one before you.. i was on a long journey, still not done.

Yes i ended up getting hub motors, two of them. I think they are the CrystaLyte 5404 motors. I will be pushing apparently a total of 6000W (3000W a side). Hopefully close to 50mph, maybe more. It was suggested by "Mike" at "ElectricRider" in United States to go w/ these motors not only for added power, but that i would have plenty of room to upgrade in the future if i want to, and more recent products come out. The motors can handle 100A or more, but obviously the problem becomes the battery as i'm learning. W/ the batteries i'm trying to get shipped from the US to Toronto that are custom made of course, apparently from what i'm told, i could get away with up to 72v 80a controllers on each motor but it would increase torque then speed. It would add a few mph to the top end, but yo really need to add voltage to add speed as i'm learning. With that lesson came the lesson to learn that once you get above 72v, it's a whole different world, now dealing with "High Voltage" and apparently legal requiring "danger" signs on it and apparently w/ that is required a whole different type of electronics to handle it all, more dangerous in general. But as it stands right now.. this quadcycle still isn't finished.. but almost there. I need someone to import my batteries into Toronto from the United States... any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Post by r3volved » Feb 02, 2016 8:41 am

Hey great to hear back from you!
Are you having troubles with customs??

I haven't had any issue getting batteries across the border, but my 20s6p pack (72v15ah) was shipped in two blocks of 6s6p and two blocks of 4s6p. I just connected it all together myself...that way each block was considered a separate battery and I didn't have to jump through hoops trying to get 'one huge battery' across.

I've heard lots of stories of folks getting things shipped close to the border and then driving across to pick up...i don't know how that works - have to know someone on the other side I suspect.

You could also get shipped to a business in which case you avoid duty. Not sure what other restrictions or lack-of applies to business now-a-days.

Batteries are always the waiting game :(
Have any photos of the current project state?

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Post by Mobilicity » Feb 12, 2016 11:05 pm

"Are you having troubles with customs??"

Yes... huge troubles. :shock: I have Lithium Ion Batteries - UN3481 - PACKED WITH EQUIPMENT... properly packaged as per the UN requirement but a friend in florida has been unsuccessful in getting UPS or FEDEX OR DHL to send it. I'm now having to source "Hazmat" freight forwarders, what a very frustrating situation at this time.

"I haven't had any issue getting batteries across the border, but my 20s6p pack (72v15ah) was shipped in two blocks of 6s6p and two blocks of 4s6p. I just connected it all together myself...that way each block was considered a separate battery and I didn't have to jump through hoops trying to get 'one huge battery' across."

It's not one huge battery, i know it's in 2 packs like yours but the way they were packaged was with as one main shipment. And sadly, the friend of mine who has them in florida is not about to breakdown properly packaged batteries for UN3481 (since they are in fiberboard as well).

"I've heard lots of stories of folks getting things shipped close to the border and then driving across to pick up...i don't know how that works - have to know someone on the other side I suspect."

Yeah i've done, that, this might be an option, thanks for the reminder of this. Would you be able to assist in alleviating the time required in order to find out which is the quickest way to find the most potent efficient information on this?

"You could also get shipped to a business in which case you avoid duty. Not sure what other restrictions or lack-of applies to business now-a-days."

Thanks for the info. I will see about this.

"Batteries are always the waiting game :("

Especially when they are packed w/ equipment. :(

"Have any photos of the current project state?"

No photos of the Quadcycle (it's getting repainted, rebuffed, reoiled etc..) .. but have photos of the motors on the 101mm rims though, take a look;

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Post by LockH » Feb 12, 2016 11:31 pm

Hi Mobilicity. Another Toronto guy here. Sorry, can't help re HAZMAT shipping. Maybe Golden Mile Canada (Gary) out west in Mississauga can hook you up w/somebody he uses?
http://www.goldenmotor.ca/

There's some very ebike "tech" guys in Toronto. Maybe put up a request on the local site/forum for TERA (Toronto Electric Riders Assoc.):
http://www.meetup.com/Electric-Bicycles/

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Post by Mobilicity » Feb 12, 2016 11:54 pm

LockH wrote:Hi Mobilicity. Another Toronto guy here. Sorry, can't help re HAZMAT shipping. Maybe Golden Mile Canada (Gary) out west in Mississauga can hook you up w/somebody he uses?
http://www.goldenmotor.ca/

There's some very ebike "tech" guys in Toronto. Maybe put up a request on the local site/forum for TERA (Toronto Electric Riders Assoc.):
http://www.meetup.com/Electric-Bicycles/

Cheers
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EDIT: ACK! And totally forgot to mention Justin out in Vancouver (re hazmat shippers). Sorry `bout that!
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Thank you for the information! Very much appreciated :) Seriously thanks, i will try, see what happens.

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Post by Brentis » Feb 13, 2016 6:42 am

First the good,
I really like the quad, looks very useful. Have envisioned one myself. Is this something you had built or bought?

Now the bad,
I considered a Utah trikes quad, loved their fat tire quad, but in doing research found that in Ontario 4 wheeled bicycles are not legal.
Now, if you are using a 4 wheeled hand cycle because you're paraplegic or just lack mobility, you might not get hassled. I should hope not.
That said, a cop sees you doing 80kph on that and what you have is an illegal automobile and a whole lot less sympathy or leeway. Riding around the city at those speeds will draw far too much attn. The long arm of the law will find you eventually. I'd hate to hear you have had your ride and all the hard work and money be taken from you.

My advice,
Unless this is for off-road use, I pictured you blasting around Yonge/Dundas at speed.
Slow down! Keep it legal 32kph and plead ignorance to the 4 wheeled law if challenged by the coppers.
That will save you the hassles of high voltage and save money on battery.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but thought I should share what I've learned.
4 wheels a no-go. Speed draws attn. You don't want that hassle.
Best of luck, keep us updated.

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Post by r3volved » Feb 13, 2016 11:34 am

I was also under the impression that 4wheels was illegal in Ontario. However, being a hand trike, there may be loopholes to skirt around legalities and register as a mobility device.

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Post by Mobilicity » Mar 29, 2016 8:15 am

Brentis wrote:First the good, really like the quad, looks very useful. Have envisioned one myself. Is this something you had built or bought?
Apologies for the tardy reply. I bought this.. there was a company in the USA called LightFoot Cycles, they were around for the longest time, and many know they built probably some of the most desirable bicycles, tricycles, an quadcycles, but they closed down in Aug 2015 to which has made me quite unhappy about that, since this quadcycle, took me a very long time to find something like this, and now they are gone. Sometimes i wish we had object instant duplicators star trek style.
Brentis wrote:Now the bad,I considered a Utah trikes quad, loved their fat tire quad, but in doing research found that in Ontario 4 wheeled bicycles are not legal. Now, if you are using a 4 wheeled hand cycle because you're paraplegic or just lack mobility, you might not get hassled. I should hope not.
Really? Well.. i got to ride this so far once on the road and wasn't stopped by police but by people thinking it looked really neat. Would you happen to have a link to that info about it being illegal? I ask because, well.. it's a mobility device for folks who are wheelchair bound. I guess when i get it finally finished and ride it more, i will see if i get hassled for this then.. and if so well, they have another thing coming.
Brentis wrote:That said, a cop sees you doing 80kph on that and what you have is an illegal automobile and a whole lot less sympathy or leeway.
Yes you make a truthful point but automobiles don't have pedals/handcycles etc. :) It's a good thing i know much about laws where it matters then :)
Brentis wrote: Riding around the city at those speeds will draw far too much attn. The long arm of the law will find you eventually. I'd hate to hear you have had your ride and all the hard work and money be taken from you.
Yes it would draw attention, but i wouldn't be planning on doing this speed all the time.. i used to race a 1991 FAST bmw off and on track.. and i can tell you this, cops are much more interested in ticketing modified cars for all sorts of things they can in order to be good "POLICY REVENUE GENERATORS" for the city since they can make much money that way, whereas someone like me.. if they really have no heart because it's pitch black and they want to ticket me, i already know ways how to make the tickets 'go away'. Maybe if you are interested, you can check these videos to start learning about arguably, the biggest sinister scam/fraud perpetrated on the people of america + canada of how to get out of such crooked policy enforcing;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7K6P7hlko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiI9QW1Kj4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiCiQP9o_w
Brentis wrote:My advice, Unless this is for off-road use, I pictured you blasting around Yonge/Dundas at speed. Slow down! Keep it legal 32kph and plead ignorance to the 4 wheeled law if challenged by the coppers.
:lol: Yonge/Dundas .. used to be on that corner for years handing out many free dvds and flyers on saturdays. Your picturing of me blasting by might still become a reality (i hope anyway). 32kph = 19.84mph.. sure isn't fast, isn't 25mph the limit? If challenged by the policy enforcers, i can't lie about pleading ignorance to such (though i thank you for informing me) and so let them take me to court, they are in for a big surprise (watch for those videos) when they see that they won't be able to get me under their 'jurisdiction' nor for their United Nations Green Socialism Agenda 21 Toronto plan. I've had much experience with police and lawyers. But nonetheless what you have stated is still appreciated.
Brentis wrote:That will save you the hassles of high voltage and save money on battery.
How will it save money on battery and save hassles of high voltage? [sorry if i missed it].
Brentis wrote:Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but thought I should share what I've learned.
Well it's appreciated kindly. My other nick name is "JOHNNY RAINCLOUD" and that's my main duty, to be the bearer of bad and life changing news.. so again your input is appreciated.
Brentin wrote: 4 wheels a no-go. Speed draws attn. You don't want that hassle.
Well.. i try not to obey corrupt gov'ts.. (watch those videos), since when you start to know your real 'rights' and how the system works, they start to fear you because they know you about the major scam of their supposed 'power base' and asserting your Creator given unlienable right to travel, not allowing them to trap you in their jurisdiction, is how you can fight back the corrupted system of the courts.
Brentin wrote:Best of luck, keep us updated.
Will do my best to keep those interested, updated.

And as for what R3VOLVED stated.. he's on the right track of seeing how you get around these things.

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Post by Mobilicity » Mar 29, 2016 8:18 am

r3volved wrote:I was also under the impression that 4wheels was illegal in Ontario. However, being a hand trike, there may be loopholes to skirt around legalities and register as a mobility device.
You should watch those three links i posted for Brentis.. here's a hint, 'registering' is NOT want you want to do and mobility devices don't get registered as motorbikes / automobiles etc do unless the mobility device is an actual motorbike conversion, or automobile version, or van conversion etc, something that is already built from the factory intended for gov't "lie-sense" use.

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Post by markz » Mar 29, 2016 1:33 pm

I had to laugh when I read this below, sorry. Its the first laugh of the day, so I am most likely easily amused.
I want an at least 50mph speed out of this..
I hope you don't plan to go that speed in public, and only on the racetrack.
I haven't been in Toronto in 40 years, I am in Calgary AB. Your ride looks cool. It might break the laws on whats a "bicycle", so I would look that up. Its better to know yourself then be a victim of power tripping donut eating authorities.

I've learned how to build an ebike by joining this forum and spending hours and hours reading. Its all quite simple really, but there is a ton of information. I am like you, I did not go for some "normal" ride, like maybe a 500W or 750W or 1000W setup, I dove into the 3000W MXUS motor, and I am glad I did. Not for speed, but for pure hill climbing power. I personally dont see the fascination with speed, maybe its my old age. Going anything over 50 or 60kph for me is crazy on a bicycle. And you want to go 50mph, so lets say thats 90kph on a bicycle. Might as well buy a gas powered quad. But to each their own. Wish you the best!

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Post by Mobilicity » Mar 31, 2016 2:19 pm

markz wrote:I had to laugh when I read this below, sorry. Its the first laugh of the day, so I am most likely easily amused.
It's always an interesting tidbit to know to 'muse' means 'to think, remember' and thus to be amused is to not think or remember :lol: :D
I want an at least 50mph speed out of this..
markz wrote:I hope you don't plan to go that speed in public, and only on the racetrack.
Well as a former race car driver, racers know.. if they race on the streets ... it should always be in areas that you can't really get caught + late a night around factory strips which are not frequented by traffic of course, and if you do, really good to know how to get around such 'pubic legalities' which are not laws but legalities. You should really check out the 3 links i left for the other users on this thread, since the information is considered quite dangerous to the policy enforcers who are agents of the Roman London Crown courts of the western world especially and gov't especially when men and woman finally start comprehending how they can get out of such corrupted pseudo-laws and tickets by the policy enforcers LAWFULLY since there's a big difference with something being "Lawful" and "Legal" in the very corrupted court system we are in these days. Once one starts to learn this most important information of the physical realm which decides life daily in 1st world nations, once one comprehends the depth of how deep this immense global fraud is, speeding in public doesn't scare you anymore because you know how to get off the ticket all by knowing what happened in 1933 and how to counter it.
markz wrote:I haven't been in Toronto in 40 years, I am in Calgary AB. Your ride looks cool. It might break the laws on whats a "bicycle",
Well..these are not really laws you reference, rather legalities (statutes, codes etc) imposed via corrupted politicians, that do not have the weight of laws but more 'statutes' and thus if one knows much about Roman Civil Law, Common Law, Admiralty/Maritime Law, Contract Law etc.. they become quite empowered and it's much harder for the authorities to ticket you on something if they know that you already know about 1933, arguably the biggest fraud perpetrated on Canadian, American, and 52+ other nations at least that operate on the same system etc.. you should check out this link --> http://www.gemworld.com/EdMandellHouse.htm and the 3 prior links posted in the last week or so.. to see why much of what you e-cycle guys are worried about, becomes nothing to really worry about when you understand the depth of the 'legal' scam we are under and how to exercise your true rights as a living man of spirit/soul and flesh and blood under Common Law. Also, obviously it's not a BI-cycle (2 wheeled pedal-cycle as you know) and nor is it a TRI-cycle (3 wheel of course) but a quadcycle (4 wheels) and i've already ridden it on the streets of Toronto and policy enforcers didn't say anything to me when i was on the road. It might also be because of a wheelchair in the back of my quadcycle when i was riding it.
markz wrote:so I would look that up. Its better to know yourself then be a victim of power tripping donut eating authorities.
Hence why you should REALLY check out the links i've shared.. the policy enforcers are not as powerful as people imagine them to be once they comprehend the scope of what i shared in the links to see how and why we as males and females of a mature age, in such nations can get the authorities to come under OUR jurisdiction, not theirs;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7K6P7hlko (meet your strawman, an introductory mindblow to how anyone with a birth certificate and a SSN/SIN number is property of the state and how to fight back).
markz wrote:I've learned how to build an ebike by joining this forum and spending hours and hours reading.
Not everyone has such time to do that as they'd like when they are in a ambulatory lifestyle and have limited ability to build their own AND dealing with many more important things as part of that disability. I am trying nonetheless to learn as much as i can, to see what i can do on my own but not all of us are technically inclined or dexterity inclined in such ways after an injury and would prefer to pay someone a decent wage to do the work for us. If you know any.. share please.
markz wrote:Its all quite simple really, but there is a ton of information.
I know it can be simple for those inclined and skilled in such areas of life but not all of us have time to go through the ton of information though we are still very appreciative it is here to learn from, but there are those of us who prefer to ask questions to save time and learn faster (of course which does still require reading a bunch) rather than using time we don't have to scour through volumes of text to learn the really technical stuff that is quite daunting for us folk.
markz wrote:I am like you, I did not go for some "normal" ride, like maybe a 500W or 750W or 1000W setup, I dove into the 3000W MXUS motor, and I am glad I did. Not for speed, but for pure hill climbing power.
Well we are alike in this sense, but i also like climbing power too considering where i live in Toronto is quite 'hilly' and because it's my arms doing the pedaling and not my legs. The man upstairs didn't create your arms to do what legs do, hence why i want serious power to compensate for that reality. Being one who used to race my bmw on and off track an ride motorbikes, go carts etc, so i was heavily into heavily modified cars etc and thus.. it's understood, "GO BIG or GO HOME", in other words I'm the type that desires to do the job right the first time for what performance is desired, or do not do it all since putting in lukewarm / half-donkeyass job is for those who are fence sitters and only wastes more time, money, energy and causes more unneeded waste of energy and frustration.
markz wrote:I personally dont see the fascination with speed, maybe its my old age.
Well hopefully you can grasp somewhat as an older man, that when one ends up in a wheelchair by no fault of their own via tragically traumatic circumstances, life becomes very very difficult just to do simple things compared to how easy it was before to get those simple things done when you could do much more of it on your own w/o needing assistance as an able-bodied type. Thus you quickly begin to seriously miss the former life in many ways which was full of the mobility ability to go where you need to go when you need to go and you weren't necessarily stopped by such simple obstacles usually because being able-bodied helps conquer such things. Whereas when people become wheelchair bound, such people will indeed miss greatly that Creator given ability to have autonomous ability to not be defeated by a simple curb to get into a store where as an able-bodied man or woman, all they have to do is step up the curb because they have legs that work, but if they are in a wheelchair and there is no wheelchair entrance, well it seriously is insanely angering because they can't get up a simple curb (which is most of the time because it's too high to skillfully go up by yourself in a wheelchair) because they do not have working legs to do so that can simply step up and over it like an able-bodied man or woman, and thus the wheelchair user has to go find another store they can get into that offers the same things the man or woman was requiring/wanting which is insanely unequal treatment and mind-screwing inconvenient, immensely frustrating, categorically sub-man treatment of those who are disabled. So of course, if one could do much more before their injury like go fast on things to experience such a enjoyable excitement rush in such activities instead of being regulated to the super slow lane in life having to depend on others much more to get certain things done that you didn't need such assistance with before, of course wanting a fast quadcycle would help recapture some of that former able-bodied lifestyle stress-relieving excitement. Thus when one ends up disabled, things "slow down" quite a bit ...life starts to become very not enjoyable a lot of the time because you're now in a world of able-bodied people built for able-bodied people, not disabled people, which introduces immense challenges most of the time that is not even a passing thought to an able-bodied man or woman because they are not disabled and have to deal with all these additional daily obstacles. Naturally most of the able-bodied people have no clue how good they have it because in western societies especially, we are not taught to really compassionately consider the plight of the disabled but a minority of times, which because of this, is why there is so little well-designed/well engineered alternative mobility device support for the disabled in North America versus Europe + Asia + South America etc, where the people of such nations actually consider the plight of the disabled much more daily than in socialist America and Canada and thus non North Americans build alternative mobility custom devices that are usually amazing while what north america offers most of the time is the outward evidence that when nations become so successful in world via imperialistic domination, they will become proud, arrogant, vain, haughty, self-seeking, selfish, self-interested, self-pleasing, narcissistic etc, so thinking about designing, engineering, building alternative mobility devices for the disabled for a honourable decent price that are actually desirable for the disabled to increase their mobility/freedom of independent movement, is not really something many north americans care about, because they've become quite selfish.

SO again one learns quickly how unbearably insane it is to be in such a position because of the many new obstacles one now faces being disabled + the little support there is to have available a selection of alternative mobility devices that provide much more 'independent freedom' with a high enjoyment factor thereby losing much of that former lifestyle's blessing privilege to experience such happy enjoyable things that you could when you weren't in a wheelchair, thus you always seek to regain some type of those really enjoyable experiences in life again since being in a power-electric chair and/or a manual wheelchair just doesn't come close at all to give you back that 'enjoyment' factor, you become quite useless and limited in the what you are able to do compared to do before, hence dis-abled. There just aren't the right words to articulate that after being in such a 'restricted slow' mobility device for a while where life tends to be very undesirable with how much you are unable to do compared to what you could do before the life changing injury, you just want to be able to once again re-experience that amazing freedom of excitement and feeling of being in control of your own mobility while going fast and feeling the wind on your face and have that ear to ear smile of excitement that one gets when experiencing such a rush in a enjoyable car, motorbike or any other vehicle whether it's gas powered, or electric powered, man powered or vegetable powered. You miss the ease of that fun-factor you could experience before which now becomes much more filled with insane obstacles that you didn't even consider when able-bodied. Quite a humbling stone cold new reality. So the desire (not fascination) w/ speed (and power of course) in this case has more to do with wanting to regain some of those really enjoyable exciting moments in the former life + having a way to avoid having to spend money on a car/truck/motorbike as a daily driver and all the maintenance, insurance fees (since the insurance companies are actually unlawfully operating on massive fraud) when one had much more control over such situations rather than be restricted and trapped in a prison that most able bodied people partially innocently and partially willfully, don't see.
markz wrote:Going anything over 50 or 60kph for me is crazy on a bicycle.
Not to guys who used to do 150mph or more on closed off streets, racing for street run, at night so you don't harm anyone or late night runs whether it was in a car, truck or motorbike or some custom speed vehicle which you can't these like you could before.
markz wrote:And you want to go 50mph, so lets say thats 90kph on a bicycle. Might as well buy a gas powered quad.
I don't see how a gas motor could achieve the same performance, but from what i know, no point for a gas powered quad unless you can find a gas motor that performs as efficiently and as powerfully as an electric version, and that ALSO has the power base of an electric. Because gas powered vehicles, especially when you get into racing cars on track and off track, you seek amazing acceleration performance (torque) and top end performance (horsepower) and this starts to cost quite a bit to achieve such performance and soon enough you start to see how true it is that building such motors for cars & trucks (not really that expensive for motorbikes compared to cars and trucks) that are for on and off track racing, it soon becomes quite obvious how much of an insane money-pit such cars/trucks become to upgrade them hence why cars/trucks are known as money pits, for you have to spend so much more money on a gas motor to achieve the performance acceleration and top end you could get with electric powered vehicles spending less money in comparison. Here's one prime example;

http://futurism.com/electric-genovation ... ed-record/

If you were to build this corvette based on gas and/or race gas and not electric, it would have cost quite a bit more since with a oil/gas setup, all sorts of extra issues are introduced when wanting such power gains which as a result of course cause R&D issues that occur constantly which increases operating costs the more you mode and the price/labor to fix such a gas powered modified car/truck vs electric sure, i'm not stating batteries are cheap, but it's still amazing how with electric you don't have to spend as much money to get better performance gains then oil/gas cars that you have to spend some good money to get those vehicles moving really fast which costs quite a bit more to do so. With electric, clearly there is 'less' to go wrong with though of course stuff can go wrong, but you don't incur HALF of the issues you can with a oil/gas powered setup because when something goes wrong on the electric version, it's not has hard to figure out and not as labor intensive and expensive to fix versus oil/gas vehicle. There are less problems that can occur with an electric setup compared to the oil/gas and with electric, there's not any real major 'labor' repair involved compared to when you have a 7 second quarter mile street car and you blow the motor, and you have spend THOUSANDS to rebuild + get new forged pistons, rings, seats, seals, gaskets, valves, rods etc that cost SO MUCH compared to what would have to be done and spent on an electric to bring it back to 'running' mode.

So i would have to disagree that building a gas powered quad is the better option, i'm not into gas fumes anymore, dirty hands, working with cancerous oil/gas etc when from what i know in life, a gas powered option would require much more money spent to equal the type of acceleration performance and power performance while cruising at different speeds you can get with electric spending much less, unless of course.. you know of gas motors that would cost around the same money as the electric setup and can ALSO can perform like a 50mph electric motor setup with the same power range, efficiency etc. I am not aware of any gas motors in the same price range of an electric setup, that can perform like a 50mph electric setup that reproduces that same amazing torque and power to spin tires while you are still moving at about 20mph or more etc. To get the same effect and performance w/ a gas motor, you'd have to spend much more than the electric setup from what i know in my experience level with racing cars etc. Plus.. electric cars were the first cars in the late 1800s not gas, and if Mr. Maybach, Mr. Daimler and Mr. Mercedes etc didn't get their way as they did and if they weren't so insanely megalomaniacally diabolically greedy seeking to control the whole world in the late 1800s through the major polluting oil industry they were beginning of which they were the oligarchs of, which is when the industrial age really started with their gas/oil polluting global business, plausibly there would have never been the reality of the crushing of the original german electric car makers and today our infrastructure wouldn't be ROCKEFELLER OIL infrastructure, it'd actually be much more developed in the electric area and 'electric vehicle' infrastructure since electric is much cleaner, much more able to not harm the environment when the battery chemistries are cleverly built and a much wiser way to transport people when we live in an electric universe (See Nikolai Tesla), instead of pumping oil out of the ground where it belongs and being one of the main reasons why so much pollution in our world exists because of the petro-chemical mafia industry. Don't get me wrong, i don't hate gas, but it sure would have been quite an amazing reality today if the original electric car makers would have been allowed to carry on, and the oil/gas industry never started.
markz wrote:But to each their own. Wish you the best!
Thanks, much appreciated, you sentiments are well received. Good thing you didn't wish me "Good Lucifer" ["Good Luck".. since "LUCK" is the derivative of "LUCIFER" and it's basically cursing someone for bad things to happen, not good].

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Post by markz » Mar 31, 2016 2:54 pm

Damn, you must be Nutspecials twin brother!!!!

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Post by boisrondevens » Apr 07, 2016 5:45 pm

Federal requirements[edit]
Since 2000, Canada's Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (MVSR) have defined Power Assisted bicycles (PABs) as a separate category, and which require no license to operate. PABs are currently defined as a two- or three-wheeled bicycle equipped with handlebars and operable pedals, an attached electric motor of 500W or less, and a maximum speed capability of 32 km/h from the motor over level ground. Other requirements include a permanently affixed label from the manufacturer in a conspicuous location stating the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle under the statutory requirements in force at the time of manufacture.[14][15] All power-assisted bicycles must utilize an electric motor for assisted propulsion.
A power-assisted bicycle may be imported and exported freely within Canada without the same restrictions placed on auto-mobiles or a moped. Under federal law, power-assisted bicycles may be restricted from operation on some roads, lanes, paths, or thoroughfares by the local municipality.[16][17]
Bicycle-style PABs are permitted on National Capital Commission's (NCC) Capital Pathway network, but scooter-style PABs are prohibited. All PABs (bicycle- and scooter-style) are permitted on dedicated NCC bike lanes. All PABs are prohibited in Gatineau Park's natural surface trails.[18]

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Post by markz » Apr 07, 2016 11:09 pm

Wheel chairs have 4 wheels, some have 5 or 6 wheels. Some wheel chairs are powered, so that law is crap.
In Calgary, Alberta we had a politician who is in a powered wheel chair, Ken Hehr, his wheel chair is powered and has 6 wheels, 2 regular sized big wheels, 2 small wheels up front and 2 small wheels out back. I have seen the man on occasion fly down sidewalks.
Donut eating police would not ticket anyone like that, out of sympathy. Just like the police will not press trespass charges against the surviving teens that slid down the luge track at 2am, some survived others didnt. But they will surely ticket bums for whatever they can. However all the DUI'ers out there should be reminded that you are not allowed by law to operate anything that is motorized on any public land, including seadoos, skidoos, vehicles, boats, trains, airplanes, electric and motorized bicycles. Now when it comes to powered wheel chairs is when things get shadey. Private land you are allowed to do whatever you please.

Since 2000, Canada's Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (MVSR) have defined Power Assisted bicycles (PABs) as a separate category, and which require no license to operate. PABs are currently defined as a two- or three-wheeled bicycle equipped with handlebars and operable pedals, an attached electric motor of 500W or less, and a maximum speed capability of 32 km/h from the motor over level ground. Other requirements include a permanently affixed label from the manufacturer in a conspicuous location stating the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle under the statutory requirements in force at the time of manufacture.[14][15] All power-assisted bicycles must utilize an electric motor for assisted propulsion.
A power-assisted bicycle may be imported and exported freely within Canada without the same restrictions placed on auto-mobiles or a moped. Under federal law, power-assisted bicycles may be restricted from operation on some roads, lanes, paths, or thoroughfares by the local municipality.[16][17]
Bicycle-style PABs are permitted on National Capital Commission's (NCC) Capital Pathway network, but scooter-style PABs are prohibited. All PABs (bicycle- and scooter-style) are permitted on dedicated NCC bike lanes. All PABs are prohibited in Gatineau Park's natural surface trails.[18]

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Post by mman1506 » Apr 08, 2016 12:06 am

This build looks awesome!
I'm a student in Toronto with experience building battery packs and fabrication.
If you need any help let me know.

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Post by Brentis » Apr 08, 2016 9:47 am

Having a heck of a time finding the federal regulations, but here are a few links to the regs in Ontario and the fines associated. I know you don't believe in those fines but that's a battle I don't want.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/driver ... cles.shtml
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/ ... ed+bicycle
http://www.police.windsor.on.ca/service ... -bikes.pdf

That said I don't think you will get any hassle until you speed.
You are disabled, and you have what could/should be considered a mobility device. It is allowed 4 wheels, human and/or electric power. It is not a ebike or even a pedal cycle under regulation.
But, 80kph will draw a lot of attn. seems like over 50kph and ppl stare.
Mobility devices are restricted to sidewalks, except where there in none.
But again regulations and I get your feelings and thoughts on those.

One other thing to consider is 80kph on Fatbike tires. They arent going to last long, are not cheap and may fail.

Sorry to hear of your struggles in the able body world and trying to reclaim some of the fun things you've lost.
I hope you get your ride sorted soon. Wish I could be of more help. Keep us updated.

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Post by Mobilicity » Jan 22, 2018 3:39 pm

boisrondevens wrote:
Apr 07, 2016 5:45 pm
Federal requirements[edit]
Since 2000, Canada's Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (MVSR) have defined Power Assisted bicycles (PABs) as a separate category, and which require no license to operate. PABs are currently defined as a two- or three-wheeled bicycle equipped with handlebars and operable pedals, an attached electric motor of 500W or less, and a maximum speed capability of 32 km/h from the motor over level ground. Other requirements include a permanently affixed label from the manufacturer in a conspicuous location stating the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle under the statutory requirements in force at the time of manufacture.[14][15] All power-assisted bicycles must utilize an electric motor for assisted propulsion.
A power-assisted bicycle may be imported and exported freely within Canada without the same restrictions placed on auto-mobiles or a moped. Under federal law, power-assisted bicycles may be restricted from operation on some roads, lanes, paths, or thoroughfares by the local municipality.[16][17]
Bicycle-style PABs are permitted on National Capital Commission's (NCC) Capital Pathway network, but scooter-style PABs are prohibited. All PABs (bicycle- and scooter-style) are permitted on dedicated NCC bike lanes. All PABs are prohibited in Gatineau Park's natural surface trails.[18]
Sorry for the late reply... thanks for that.

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