Model S Fire - Boeing sabotages Tesla

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Great way to get back at Elon after the Boeing dreamliner fire where he bragged about how superior the Tesla design is (it really is though)

I'm just joking around

But it is weird the car on fire was owned by a Boeing employee

"The incident happened Tuesday after 8 a.m. as the driver was traveling southbound on state Route 167, said Trooper Chris Webb of the Washington State Patrol. He said the driver stated that he believed he had struck some debris on the highway, triggering the fire, but a trooper who responded to the scene was unable to locate any objects on the roadway.
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who tweeted on January 18th “Maybe already under control, but Tesla & SpaceX are happy to help with the 787 lithium ion batteries.” Which was followed up on the 26th with “Desire to help Boeing is real & am corresponding w 787 chief engineer.”

Musk claimed that the cells used in the 787 are too big and that the gaps between them are not big enough, creating a cascading overheating effect that led to the fire.

"We're still happy to help them with the fix, or just do it for them,"
 
not a downside if it vents properly so you can exit the car

cant vent to rear
child seats

cant vent to sides
exit doors

vent to front
ok

note the model s has an super thick ballistic shield over the entire bottom of the pack

cant wait to hear more details

maybe the metal object is stuck under the car???

or there was no object and it was sabotage (unlikely)

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Perfect timing... the nhtsa wont investigate due to the government shutdown

The fire department also declined to investigate further since no one was injured

So far tesla has not been able to gain access to inspect the vehicle

On the flip side ever notice how low air bagged model ss ride on the freeway to reduce drag
 
Yup weird.

But at the end of the day if I tear open the fuel tank on any of my ICE cars they risk catching fire as well.
 
Arlo1 said:
Yup weird.

But at the end of the day if I tear open the fuel tank on any of my ICE cars they risk catching fire as well.
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one of the reasons I drive a diesel...

but on a fundamental level, there will always be battery fires. If due to a fault, all the electric energy
capable of pushing a car for 300km, is released in a few seconds, there will be fire. period.
 
After dismantling the front end of the vehicle and puncturing holes in the battery pack, responders used a circular saw to cut an access hole in the front section to apply water to the battery, according to documents. Only then was the fire extinguished.
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Any comments on the reported fire fighting techniques?
 
There are about 100,000-150,000 internal combustion car fires per year here in the United States...

But this one, this one is special, and you know that the electric car haters will use it as ammo.. even if it isn't a battery fire ( if only the front of the car caught on fire, then it's unlikely that it was one. )
 
Supposedly the pack vents by the front wheel well on either side by design

Im guessing each of the 16 battery compartments vent to the side "rails" which vents to the front

Need to confirm myself

In any case only 1 of 16 compartments was blown and the fire did not spread to the other 15 which must have annoyed boeing (hhaha jk) as they wanted a total meltdown

In any case we should learn from this and
 
update

Tesla has the car and is inspecting

some random dude tweeted law enforcement officials believe the fire was staged

this is such a great stock to day trade
fool the robots scanning twitter
 
yep, the electric car haters could not contain themselves over on the oil and gas boards where i hang.

i heard the firemen could not find anything that the guy said he ran over. i doubt if it could have been staged. the firemen had knocked the fire down initially and it came back as you would expect from a battery that shorted so they used a chemical fire extinguisher on it later. the ignorantees were all talking about how the lithium was ignited by the water and that was what caused the fire to expand when doused with water.
 
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DRIVER WAS Stephen Emmert of Boeing who works on biofuel "strategy" so on the surface he appear to have "green" credentials

Prior to Boeing, Stephen worked as a consultant for BCG, as an analyst in the power sector, and spent two years in Nanjing China building a petrochemical refinery.
 
I would have to think twice about transporting a wrote off electric car, away from the scene of an accident.
Some more training is needed I think. Perhaps just let them burn, then use there new training to leave them safe. I think a specialist team would be needed tbh. Highly trained in sitting around, fire fighting, and electrical engineering.

Pity the car still went up in flames. I thought the venting pipes might of been a bit better thought out. Perhaps the car knew well in advance that it was on fire though, and put on a nice little warning light. I think a nice little camp fire symbol could work. Followed by gradual loss of power and music from the titanic(or some other tragic movie I have not watched)

The report above sounds like he pulled off and left the car before it went up. He had locked it up from the sounds of things, ready to leave the scene.
 
Good way to turn 1 tesla into 10 teslas....

Buy 1 Tesla
Take out massive short position on Tesla
Have an "accident"
Buy massive number of Tesla shares
Buy 10 Teslas.

Rinse, repeat.

Or maybe just buy a few hubbies with the proceeds... :)
 
Yeah if your pack has been damaged
whether it be in you ebike, ecar, emotorcycle, eboat, eplane
don't ever let it out of your sight
assume it could spew flames at any moment until you properly dispose of the pack.

problem was it looked like this Model S had an front engine fire so they sprayed it with water
not know it was an all electric Model S
then they made the situation worse cutting into the pack and punching holes damaging more cells
and injecting more water into the pack

you can bet an industry will crop up around handling battery fires
you most likely have to move the car before disposing of the battery
can't be blocking traffic waiting for a mobile disposal unit to pull the batter from the car
 
flathill said:
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DRIVER WAS Stephen Emmert of Boeing who works on biofuel "strategy" so on the surface he appear to have "green" credentials

Prior to Boeing, Stephen worked as a consultant for BCG, as an analyst in the power sector, and spent two years in Nanjing China building a petrochemical refinery.
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i hate to say it, but the management in me looks at that fire report and recognized immediately how stupid the driver is. he not only did not open the hood before exiting but he locked the doors and threw away the keys because the firemen had to bash the windows in to gain entry to the car and could not open the hood.

he said he hit something but he heard a cell explode maybe inside the battery case and did not have the mental dexterity to recognize it was important enuff to pull over to the curb immediately and not continue driving up to the main drag. rant
 
this was only the first report
the next report says the fire magically started again

well of course it did because you made it worse sawing into the pack and punching holes and injecting water

this could have been much worse
can't really blame the firefighters
they don't know the ins and outs of ev's yet

finally they used chemicals on the pack and saved they day
except the chemicals did nothing haha
the battery fire put itself out( thanks to the modular design it did not keep spreading)

you need to use copper powder to put out a lithium fire
doubt they had that

best course of action would have been to just use chemicals on the car to keep the plastics and interior from burning and leave the battery flame out
 
does anyone know if the tesla has a black box data recorder for the electrical circuits? so you could reconstruct the data for voltage, current and whether individual circuits are active or disabled.
 
Just got more interesting a second name appeared this time naming the driver as

Robert Carlson (source http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-model-s-driver-hits-object-hov-lane-near-kent-washington-car-smokes-catches-fire-lithium)


GUESS WHERE HE WORKS??? BOEING!!!!!!!!!! (Senior Project Manager at Boeing)

JUST LIKE THE OTHER DRIVER NAME EARLIER

THEY MUST HAVE BOTH BEEN DRIVING (one was a passenger of course,. journalists are idiots for the most part)
 
THIS IS THE FIRST SOURCE THAT NAMES

STEVE EMMERT
Environmental Strategy Regional Director at Boeing Commercial Airplanes (PETROCHEMICAL DUDE)

According to the Regional Fire Authority of Kent, Wash., 20 miles south of downtown Seattle, the driver of a black Model S, identified as Steve Emmert,

ccording to the Regional Fire Authority of Kent, Wash., 20 miles south of downtown Seattle, the driver of a black Model S, identified as Steve Emmert,
http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-model-s-driver-hits-object-hov-lane-near-kent-washington-car-smokes-catches-fire-lithium

THE BOEING CONNECTION
 
boeing is gonna now offer to attach the battery pack to the bottom of the tesla with exploding bolts like they use to separate the booster rockets. so the driver can eject the flaming battery pack out into the middle of the traffic lane on the freeway. imagine how much fun the juveniles will have with that.
 
dnmun said:
does anyone know if the tesla has a black box data recorder for the electrical circuits? so you could reconstruct the data for voltage, current and whether individual circuits are active or disabled.
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Yes they does :wink:

They will find the truth, but TESLA HAVE TO PUT THEIR HAND ON THESE DATA ASAP !!

Tesla supply some of Training video and info that explain how to SAFELY cut power, acces the main components when a fire even happen.


go to about 27:00

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Doc


Doc
 
flathill said:
you can bet an industry will crop up around handling battery fires
you most likely have to move the car before disposing of the battery
can't be blocking traffic waiting for a mobile disposal unit to pull the batter from the car
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Perhaps a flame proof recovery truck wouldn't be that bad an option. Something like an open top tipper with a grab could do it. You often see them full of squashed cars. Ramps and winch are optional lol
 
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