Same. I love driving around aimlessly. But I live in Duluth, MN. Very fun. What a thrill. 30MPH may seem slow, but not when you are on a bike.markz wrote:To be quite honest and frank, for awhile there, I wasnt feeling the electric grin factor. Especially over this past winter, and this past fall, summer and spring. I had some other minor things going on in my personal life especially from August that I felt kept my spirits down. Prior to that, I was procrastinating on spending more money on ebike stuff.
Now, since I have done 300km in the past week, getting very little eye balls, only the occasional glance/stare with people seemingly aware there is something different about my bike and my riding since I rarely peddle, well since them 300k's I am happy, got plans for an ebike trip to Vancouver Island, probably take the Greyhound a bit of the ways Kelowna - Van - Vict - then up north. I dont want to bite off more then I can chew. I may go 1200km back to Calgary on e-juice.
What I like about my 300km is the fresh air, the sun, getting outside, the physical act of helping the motor and reducing wh/km, the mobility aspect of going to stores, the silence of direct drive hub motors, and just cruising around aimlessly, can take the ebike anywhere I wish and no one knows any better.
Let me elaborate please? Briefly, my daughters would visit by passenger ferry across a harbour and w/winds in "wrong" directions diseasal engine exhausts would "spill" in/over the back deck and door into the passengers area, watt made my daughters ill? And I thought "there has to be a better way". So I got my first two-wheeler just to remember some of the tech, batteries and chargers and instruments, etc. And I picked up this new ride and rode it home through snows and slushes... that was around the "turn of the century". Maybe the "best" one can do in life is to leave this planet a "better place" for future generations.LockH wrote:Battery-electric traction? For boats.
Yeah, I think most people still don't realize at how cheap building an ebike can be. If you can deal with assembling your own battery with 18650s, the biggest cost is just the time put into it. There is so much cool stuff out there in the space that the main thing holding it back at this point is archaic laws/regulations.dogman dan wrote:Likely not.
I saw stuff about the first teslas, and was looking at car conversion kits. Then I priced the lithium battery, and went " can't afford that". Then I started looking at converting a motorcycle, but again, a big expensive battery made the project a bit pricy. I had no idea there were electric bike motors yet.
Once I found out they existed, and were affordable, I was off an running.
Although, you can't call burning your house down affordable.
There's nothing archaic about the laws governing e-bikes. There are laws that define e-bikes that can be operated as bicycles, and there are laws that cover motorcycles. Your e-bike can be made to conform to one or the other.Kneelb4ZOD wrote:There is so much cool stuff out there in the space that the main thing holding it back at this point is archaic laws/regulations.
Whoah, chill your socks. Electric vehicles are innovating at the rate of an electronics/technology sector in my opinion, 10-15 years in this space is archaic. There are plenty of places which have not updated their laws at all regarding e-bikes, effectively banning everything with an electric motor used for transportation. I'm also not just talking about ebikes, but mono-wheels, standing scooters, skateboards and so on. A lot of these last mile commuter options are effectively banned in many areas.Chalo wrote:There's nothing archaic about the laws governing e-bikes. There are laws that define e-bikes that can be operated as bicycles, and there are laws that cover motorcycles. Your e-bike can be made to conform to one or the other.Kneelb4ZOD wrote:There is so much cool stuff out there in the space that the main thing holding it back at this point is archaic laws/regulations.
All the bitching I see about e-bike rules comes from those who operate electric motorcycles, but don't want to uphold the responsibilities that come with motorcycles. To which I say, aww poor baby. Grow up and act like a real motorcyclist, why don't you?
I would argue that anything powered by a 50cc and under engine should not require registration, so I'm pretty consistent on this. There's a permit, registration, and fine for everything in life now. I wish more people were willing to push back against the nanny state, it hasn't always been this way, but people seem to accept the fact that you need the government's permission to do anything. Obviously, there's a lot of room for legitimate disagreement in how much the government should lord over everyone to prevent potential nuisance, but I feel that the best environment for progress is one with more personal liberty, so long as you are not not endangering the life of others or infringing on someone's human rights, you should be allowed to do it.Chalo wrote:Where I live, and in most US states, there's another category for sub-50cc scooters and mopeds. If an owner of a 2hp moped can (must) get a plate and insurance as applicable, so can an owner of a 2hp e-bike.
If the DMV says no and won't let you register it, well at least you can have it on record that you tried. That's much more legit than insisting you shouldn't have to register something that in fact conforms to the legal definition of a moped or motorcycle.
There is probably 100 times more electric mopeds, scooters, and ebikes where I live than anywhere in the US. It sounds like your complaint is with jerks in general, not everyone with ebikes. I'm ok with fining someone who is riding recklessly or getting in accidents all the time. I'm not ok with preventing the free use of small personal transportation vehicles just because some people act like a wanker on two wheels. People can also be rude and dangerous on traditional bikes. The reason why there are so many two wheel wankers as a percentage of ebike riders in the US is up till now, regulation has discouraged most people from using them for practical purposes, leaving the people who use them for fun and sport to dominate the market. If it were a regular form of transportation, maybe more of the kids who ride them for sport would have a better idea of how to behave, and police could focus on punishing those which are actually abusing people on multi-use lanes and not everyone in general. At the end of the day, you're not going to die if someone accidentally bumps into you on an ebike, which isn't really any more likely than getting ran over by a bicycle. You'd better be more concerned about a car running a red light or someone driving drunk.Chalo wrote:If you and your kid had to share a multi-use path with unregistered, unlicensed scooter riders, I'll bet you could think of a few limitations you'd want to apply.
Don't get him started. His complaint is that he wants to declare EVERYONE ELSE to be a jerk. His next target is gonna be YOU.Kneelb4ZOD wrote:. . . .You'd better be more concerned about a car running a red light or someone driving drunk.
That would be nice. Where I live, small lots, shade trees, and rented housing are facts of life. PV power isn't that straightforward. From a resource standpoint, living here on dirty grid power is still way greener than living out in the sticks with renewable electric power.craneplaneguy wrote:I would like to think other people way into ebikes who are NOT renewable powered, would strongly consider (consider hell, just do it) at the very least a small PV system adequate to let them also brag their rides are 100% renewable energy powered.