billvon wrote: ↑
Feb 05, 2018 6:55 pm
Hillhater wrote: ↑
Feb 05, 2018 6:06 pm
Sadly bill, all the facts point to higher costs being directly associated with increasing % of RE power generation
For utility scale generation, as of Nov 2017:
Wind - $30 to $60 per megawatt-hour
Solar - $43 to $53 per megawatt-hour
Solar plus storage - $82 per megawatt-hour
Coal - $60 to $143...
Again , none of those allow for the intermittent nature of their output,..even the "solar plus storage" does not allow for the cost of sufficient storage to ensure a reliable continuous supply during periods of no sun or no wind.
In effect, as those countries leading with high % wind and solar installations, have found, there is no realistic amount of storage available, and only full 100% thermal backup can ensure continuity of supply.
That is part of the reason their power costs are so high ..they have to double up generation capacity and maintain thermal plants ready to support the wind/solar systems.
..Iowa. 37% of its electricity comes from wind, and it has energy costs that are 10% lower than the rest of the US.
Washington state. Cheapest industrial energy prices in the US, based on its legacy use of hydro and rapidly ramping use of solar, wind and geother
Check again bill..
Most of the NW states have cheaper power prices than Iowa .
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly ... pmt_5_06_b
Washington...yes, Hydro, Geothermal, ......that good for those fortunate to have those resources, but not available to most regeons...and you have drifted from wind /solar again
i expect an honest estimate of average power (MW ) to compare to the one i posted
Ah, so you want the number with your spin on it. Fair enough; next time ask for the spin you want, rather than the actual number.
No bill...like i said, an honest estimate !
...but i suspect you dont want to admit what that "honest" estimate actually is
So those 1.8 m installations could generate 72 GWh/day ..(Note : Australia consumes approx 600GWh /day )
...if the sun shines..
...if you store the intermittent power so you can use it
...if you can find 1.8 m houses with enough north facing roof space for 40 panels!
...it the owners of those houses are willing &able to invest the $30,000 each to install such a system.
...Yep. I did it; many others did as well. If you can't afford it, you can buy a power purchase contract, where the system is installed for free and you then pay your power bill (less than you did before) to the installer...
Yes bill, i know you have solar,..... but what was the point of your question ?
And you really need to get over that 50 year old shut down Nuclear plant.
For over 40 years it generated a lot of power, and would still be working if some incompetant team had not flunked a maintenance/repair project. I believe there may be a criminal investigation into that ?...was it sabotaged ?
Maybe thats what gets your panties knotted,?... the fact that if it were still operating you may well have lower power costs than those high costs that Californias RE program has given you .