Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

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Post by billvon » Sep 29 2019 6:56pm

Hillhater wrote:
Sep 29 2019 6:19pm
No confusion here bill.
...the UN invited a Child instead of a credible scientist to deliver their false message.
A year ago the UN invited half a dozen scientists to speak to leaders at the UN climate change summit in South Korea. You completely ignored them. This year, the UN invited scientists AND a 16 year old activist. And you (and other deniers) have spread her name far and wide and brought a huge amount of attention to the UN Climate Change conference - even though she was only one of 60 speakers. Thank you.
I dont “attack” the girl.
You admitted you did.
Make up ?... it is very obvious she has been coached in presentation and appearance...
So made up to look like an immature 10 year old (your claim) and she has been attacked worldwide for it - but it's "obvious she has been coached in appearance." She has such great handlers that they are incompetent.

Are you listening to yourself?
But again...you cannot present an extreme personal viewpoint, to the World, on a highly controversial subject, without getting some negative feedback...
I think what has you running scared is that it's not an extreme position any more - and 16 year olds around the world are readily agreeing with her. And in two years, they will be our new voters.

And again, thank you for being part of the ugly attacks that have made her name a household word.
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Post by sendler2112 » Sep 29 2019 7:39pm

500,000 striked for the climate with Greta in Montreal on Friday.
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Post by sendler2112 » Oct 01 2019 6:56am

Story of the Earth video looks at 1 billion years of deep time in 33 minutes.
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Post by TheBeastie » Oct 02 2019 3:49am

The Greta Thunberg internet news/opinion/chit-chat-show extravaganza!

So the most recent climate-strike protests worldwide combined with Greta Thunberg climate change speech got a lot of media attention from social-media news.
So here it is, a list of centrists-RW's who made a Greta news video. These are people I have come across from time to time that have been known to leave some people extremely triggered!
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... /triggered

The list is generally sorted from top of being most popular/short videos to longer/less popular, but still a rather random list of "YouTubers/Social media shows", of the millions out there..
I don't include LW's because it's impossible to miss, it's blaring away constantly on any radio/TV you just need to turn on BBC/ABC or even Bloomberg for 5 minutes to get that point of view.
For "conservative" mainstream media we have Foxnews where their main point of view can be summed up in this video from https://www.blazetv.com which was created partly for Foxnews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ

One video from Isaac Butterfield
The Problem With Greta Thunberg (Climate Activist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtGvpe4b5PQ


Some from Sargon of Akkad's various channels
You Have Nothing to Fear from the Cult of Greta Thunberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvxKCaieo0M
Greta Thunberg and the Global Eco-Fascist Movement
https://youtu.be/mioDAKACre8
Climate Change Hysteria is Morally Irresponsible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mdYG3OIa2I

Sargon's 3hour ClimateChange/Greta extravaganza chitchat opinion/show (one to listen in the background like a podcast while on a walk/drive etc)
The Inevitable Climate Dictatorship Stream
https://youtu.be/noGski0G4J8

Red Ice TV: Greta is talked about on all its recent chit-chat shows.
Top 10 Reasons Why Greta Thunberg Is a Fraud
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Jpk8Ix1CCg/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jpk8Ix1CCg

Paul Joseph Watson's video on Greta was removed from YouTube, like most things it's on their BitChute channel, if you aren't checking out BitChute then your not really on the internet as far as I am concerned.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qpSQuc69R9c/

Tony Heller Stolen Childhood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyN_h2F_FKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_Ft4Aoi98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu32tL7Z8YU

Mark Collett: It's NOT Climate Change - It's Population Growth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2rvCcagsaw
https://www.bitchute.com/video/N2rvCcagsaw/

Mark Dice
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aOE6J8etu0E/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JOln9rK2G04/

Computing Forever: CLIMATE CHANGE ALARMISM AND THE GRETA EFFECT
https://www.bitchute.com/video/siUu3zuLN60/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XBc2getVo1RQ/

Avi Yemini in Melbourne, where there are always protests going on.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dCZmZZTyRqg/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZmZZTyRqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl09aLpUTBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HckvGQeYmiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5JsisJkGOQ

Steven Crowder vids on CC/Greta
https://www.bitchute.com/video/MbuRWSm77Yg/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8fK_9p6ZFHc/

Dr Dukes show: hosted by PhD Dr Patrick Slattery also covered Greta and the environment, it quickly segued into crime but then goes back onto climate change at the end.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SwVmSB9LIDe6/

Stefan Molyneux: hasn't covered Greta specifically but this was his most recent climate change video.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ONusZXkB4_Y/

The Iconoclast: The White Liberal Women Rejecting Motherhood | Fake Environmentalism & The Vulnerable
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6qASXnHYb0KE/

NPI / RADIX The McSpencer Group covers Greta in their chit-chat show.
https://youtu.be/ZmimLyi67fQ?t=2672
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZmimLyi67fQ/?t=2672

Vee: Death Metal version of Geta's speech.
https://youtu.be/VVBy33ezwUc?t=60

The Red Elephants Vincent James: Astrophysicist GOES OFF on Greta Thunberg and Climate Alarmists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAUT8vz35lQ
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/the-red-elephants/

James Allsup: Environmentalism Is Now RACIST
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NGHdkKTyQIbb/

Gavin McInnes: the YouTube description at least claims they chat about Greta, but I have listened to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnE2MP_a208

Soph which is a young girl that speaks her satire thoughts on topics and deliberately gets people triggered, banned from YouTube, also doesn't have much on even BitChute anymore, looks like you have to go to FreeSpeech.TV
https://freespeech.tv/watch/show/soph
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/soph/

Bearing's video on Greta.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/P7wWLqyIIlA/

Scott Adam's bits on Greta and Climate Change.
https://youtu.be/eKYmRcNSkdU?t=408
https://youtu.be/unsdMU-ydy4?t=1655
Nature journal paper on climate change, RETRACTED, as mathematician Nicholas Lewis challenged the math, NO climate scientists caught the error?
https://youtu.be/CF0iZpxIZqE?t=1714
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I have been paying the $14.99Aud per month for YouTube Premium/Red for a long time until recently, with YT-Premium you can listen to any commercial music etc advert-free like an unlimited iTunes library, I don't listen to much music anyway. https://www.youtube.com/premium

But I had to drop YouTube Premium because they are demonetizing some of my favourite YouTubers, so the money which would have normally dribbled into my favourite YouTuber channels while viewing their videos isn't really going anywhere any more except to YouTube/Google directly.
I only watched one of the YouTube Red premium TV shows as they are all otherwise incredibly lame.

I now prefer to use BitChute, but if it is on YouTube I watch it via the Brave web browser which filters out all advertisements on YouTube and pretty much any website (including removing those annoying inserted video adverts you see on any free video streaming websites like https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1feoop_YSY
https://brave.com/

The Brave browser also works most very reliably with BitChute, I have found Chrome and Firefox to pause incredibly frequently on BitChute but not so for Brave browser.
Also with Brave web browser for mobile-devices you can enable background YouTube/Bitchute/audio playback while your screen is turned off or you are using another app at the same time, just do this Go to Settings > Site Settings > Media > Background video playback.
https://community.brave.com/t/youtube-o ... ound/44980
^This is a feature YouTube literally charges a lot of money for in YouTube Premium at $14.99/month.
Background play https://www.youtube.com/premium
With YouTube Premium, your video plays uninterrupted in the background, even when you open another app.


I get extremely annoyed at attacks on free-speech, while Australian government is the only government in the world to block BitChute conversely in the USA government have an official channel on there and upload all their media content on there.
Official White House Bit Chute channel. https://www.bitchute.com/channel/thewhitehouse/
I think people completely underestimate the importance of free speech, what makes the story of HBO's Chernobyl very interesting is the fact that most of the people died because everyone was too afraid to speak up and say the truth or criticise things that were going on as it was considered an insult against the socialist system ideology.
Chernobyl is fantastic as it is literally riddled mini-stories on this issue of failing to criticise or speak the truth no matter what the costs, which was frequently ending up in death. https://youtu.be/8SjNhurNn0s?t=81

People don't get it, they currently live under ideology, and are blind to questioning it and just like some of the people in Chernobyl are programmed to even protect it.
https://youtu.be/s9APLXM9Ei8?t=82 "Cut the phone lines, contain the spread of misinformation"
https://youtu.be/s9APLXM9Ei8?t=38
https://youtu.be/8SjNhurNn0s?t=33
Originally being able to tell people how dumb they are in detailed logically ways is what made YouTube great.

Apparently NZ was supposed to block BitChute but everyone over there claims it works fine, so Australia is literally the only place in the world, some say its just as much about protecting the old broadcasters than anything to do with free speech.

Anyway because the internet is now pretty much just an endless-sphere of constantly spinning encrypted virtual-pipes due to the security requirements against Distributed Denial Of Services attacks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack) and against eavesdropping ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(su ... M_overview), the only practical way to "block websites" is by attacking the domain host-name, in Australia they have an official list of domain names that the Australian ISP/DNS servers are expected to remove, most of the "evil domain list" comes mostly from media Copyright protection agencies like Village Roadshow and Creative Content Australia (CCA) who have an almost arbitrary right to block websites they don't like and in the past have blocked perfectly legitimate websites abusing their power.

But the fact is anyone can get around this blocking by moving their PC/network over to Googles DNS servers.
https://developers.google.com/speed/pub ... docs/using
^Do this in Australia and BitChute loads up fine.

If you are on a mobile network on an Android device that has locked down DNS you can just use a free DNS re-router app like this https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... r&hl=en_AU

There is a demon in me that almost hopes that dumb governments attack DNS even further because there are a lot of groups who have a dream of a BitTorrent equivalent of a "true freedom DNS system", if the general public moves away from the official unified DNS domain name system currently in use then the government will find themselves essentially losing control of the internet on a level they probably can't even imagine.
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Post by ZeroEm » Oct 02 2019 9:02am

Soo what's the argument, it's not getting hotter or that's its normal?
"September heat in San Antonio broke records — lots of them"
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/ ... 481374.php
We did not have as many 100+ days but it is making it up in other ways!

So what's the argument? watch out for that block of ice the size of London floating around.
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Post by billvon » Oct 02 2019 2:17pm

ZeroEm wrote:
Oct 02 2019 9:02am
Soo what's the argument, it's not getting hotter or that's its normal?
Well, they change day by day.

"It's not getting warmer! It's all a lie!"
"OK it looks like it's getting warmer but that's because NOAA doctored the records etc."
"OK it's getting warmer, no one disagrees with that, but it's a natural cycle!"
"OK it might not be a natural cycle but scientists can't agree on why it's getting warmer, so it's impossible to do anything about it."
"OK fine. Scientists might agree, but all the changes will be good. Who doesn't like to be warm? And things are really green!"
"OK so it might not all be good, but it's too hard to change. Or it's too late."
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Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Oct 02 2019 4:44pm

billvon wrote:
Oct 02 2019 2:17pm
ZeroEm wrote:
Oct 02 2019 9:02am
Soo what's the argument, it's not getting hotter or that's its normal?
Well, they change day by day.

"It's not getting warmer! It's all a lie!"
"OK it looks like it's getting warmer but that's because NOAA doctored the records etc."
"OK it's getting warmer, no one disagrees with that, but it's a natural cycle!"
"OK it might not be a natural cycle but scientists can't agree on why it's getting warmer, so it's impossible to do anything about it."
"OK fine. Scientists might agree, but all the changes will be good. Who doesn't like to be warm? And things are really green!"
"OK so it might not all be good, but it's too hard to change. Or it's too late."
is greenland green yet?
los guardian estimates year 2100.
and that's only when the earth will be back to "normal".

i have to laugh & feel a little sorry for the canadian delegation gov reps who attend all these world climate conferences.
they have to sit there & listen to all the doom & gloom prognostication of warmer winters all the while thinking to themselves "yeah that would be just terrible".
sux4u australia but everthings finally coming up canada (and greenland) beachfront property.


everything you need to know about climate propaganda it's just the latest green re-skin version taken from this playbook so don't be a turkey lurkey & let the fox eat you alive.

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Post by furcifer » Oct 02 2019 5:38pm

Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh wrote:
Oct 02 2019 4:44pm
i have to laugh & feel a little sorry for the canadian delegation gov reps who attend all these world climate conferences.
they have to sit there & listen to all the doom & gloom prognostication of warmer winters all the while thinking to themselves "yeah that would be just terrible".
sux4u australia but everthings finally coming up canada (and greenland) beachfront property.
Don't forget the "water crisis". Toronto is going to look like Dubai in 50 years when we start selling water to the middle east for $4/gallon. :mrgreen:

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Post by Ianhill » Oct 02 2019 5:46pm

My house is missing on that map and im nearly 1000ft above sea level the biggest local mountain tip is gone and land starts around the Brecon beacons nearly close on 2000ft so that's just utter bollocks do they think I'm that thick there's enough water to raise levels globally by so much when after 20 years of sea level rise we have can measure the gain on a meter stick.

The problem is we need middle ground there is change we have influance but there's a craziness to both sides of the argument, a large majority are still primitive enough to say it's me against you when we have differences let's fight based on truth and shit talk gets us yourself and the whole species no where country's are crashing because we want to be selfish and not unite it's all bullshit shame on all of us.

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Post by Hillhater » Oct 02 2019 9:43pm

Ianhill wrote:
Oct 02 2019 5:46pm
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...there's enough water to raise levels globally by so much when after 20 years of sea level rise we have can measure the gain on a meter stick. ....
....in most places , you would need a finely calibrated Vernier gauge ! :wink:
Ianhill wrote:
Oct 02 2019 5:46pm
......let's fight based on truth and shit talk gets us yourself and the whole species no where country's are crashing because we want to be selfish and not unite it's all bullshit shame on all of us.
No .. shame on those who are trying to deceive the world with lies!

If you want to base the debate on truth, you have to wipe the records clean and start with the basics.
1).. Establish beyond doubt, the real relationship between Anthropogenic CO2 and the total rise in Atmospheric CO2,
2). Establish beyond doubt the actual effect of increased CO2 and any change in climate.
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Post by Ianhill » Oct 03 2019 12:43am

Co2 absorbs infrared light and increases in temperature when placed in a vacuum and it's a repeatable test for me that seals the deal.

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Post by Hillhater » Oct 03 2019 2:50am

Ianhill wrote:
Oct 03 2019 12:43am
Co2 absorbs infrared light and increases in temperature when placed in a vacuum and it's a repeatable test for me that seals the deal.
Yes, thats the classical explanation that the IPCC want us to swallow.
......if only it were that simple !
You should research that a bit more.....at independent sources
For a start, the atmosphere is not a vacuum.
And CO2, re emits the energy it adsorbs within a fraction of a second.
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Post by sendler2112 » Oct 03 2019 5:02am

From the Smithsonian magazine:

Meet the Money Behind the Climate Denial Movement
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Post by sendler2112 » Oct 03 2019 6:24am

"The unfortunate fact is, degrowth is inevitable. This is because it’s a basic fact of physics—“common sense,” as Smil puts it—that GDP cannot grow infinitely on planet Earth. There’s no form of economic activity that can be completely divorced from the finite materials provided by the Earth, regardless of who governs it: wealth is intrinsically tied to material resources. Some economic activities are more obviously dependent on materials. Agricultural production, for instance, is very obviously bound by material limits. There’s only so much arable land area, only so much ammonium nitrate, and only so many hands to till the land. Heavy manufacturing also has very clear physical limits: there are only so many minerals, only so much iron, copper, lithium, cobalt, and aluminum."
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Post by sendler2112 » Oct 03 2019 6:28am

"The founding fathers of economics—luminaries including Adam Smith, David Ricardo, and John Stuart Mill—shared a belief that growth was finite, and that the reason for limits lay in the natural world. Writing in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, they based this conclusion on three observations. First, there was a limited supply of land. Second, all economic processes required at least some products of the land as raw materials. And third, the productivity of the land was subject to the law of diminishing marginal returns: each additional bit of labor and capital added to a plot of land will offer less and less benefit until no more gains are possible. Until the middle of the nineteenth century, leading economists recognized the interdependence of natural and economic systems."
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Post by jonescg » Oct 03 2019 7:10am

While Adam Smith got plenty right, I don't think he could have predicted that the tragedy of the commons would become a global phenomena. At a time when the oceans were teeming with fish, forests full of trees and seemingly abundant coal and coke, many of his prescriptions were well suited.

I also don't think he expected CEO salaries to be 500 times that of the base worker, or that slavery would be a major driver of economic growth (however it's presented, be it mortgage-tied wage slaves today, or Blackbirds of the 1880s).

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Post by sendler2112 » Oct 03 2019 8:28am

I'm not a big fan of Adam Smithian free market economics either but I guess the article should have said EVEN Adam Smith had thought about the limits to growth on a finite planet.

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Post by Ianhill » Oct 03 2019 11:18am

Hillhater wrote:
Oct 03 2019 2:50am
Ianhill wrote:
Oct 03 2019 12:43am
Co2 absorbs infrared light and increases in temperature when placed in a vacuum and it's a repeatable test for me that seals the deal.
Yes, thats the classical explanation that the IPCC want us to swallow.
......if only it were that simple !
You should research that a bit more.....at independent sources
For a start, the atmosphere is not a vacuum.
And CO2, re emits the energy it adsorbs within a fraction of a second.
The research is done C02 absorbs heat and radiates it across it's body so a small flask brought to a vacuum then filled to atmospheric pressure so no it's not even a vacuum any more the point of it is for cleanliness and single out the gases and see how they act individually then as a soup.

We have not been twirling our thumbs up our arse for thousands of years but you want to wipe the slate clean with knowledge? I KNOW OUR ANCESTORS ARE SO STUPID THEY COULDNT USE A KNIFE AND FORK I THINK NOT, the data is valid that we feed super computers becuase their models are more and more accurate it's to much for you or me to understand and comprehend a total picture.

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Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Oct 03 2019 6:00pm

hey, don't fight.
you're both two sides of the same hill.
Ianhill wrote:
Oct 03 2019 11:18am
Hillhater wrote:
Oct 03 2019 2:50am
Ianhill wrote:
Oct 03 2019 12:43am
Co2 absorbs infrared light and increases in temperature when placed in a vacuum and it's a repeatable test for me that seals the deal.
Yes, thats the classical explanation that the IPCC want us to swallow.
......if only it were that simple !
You should research that a bit more.....at independent sources
For a start, the atmosphere is not a vacuum.
And CO2, re emits the energy it adsorbs within a fraction of a second.
The research is done C02 absorbs heat and radiates it across it's body so a small flask brought to a vacuum then filled to atmospheric pressure so no it's not even a vacuum any more the point of it is for cleanliness and single out the gases and see how they act individually then as a soup.

We have not been twirling our thumbs up our arse for thousands of years but you want to wipe the slate clean with knowledge? I KNOW OUR ANCESTORS ARE SO STUPID THEY COULDNT USE A KNIFE AND FORK I THINK NOT, the data is valid that we feed super computers becuase their models are more and more accurate it's to much for you or me to understand and comprehend a total picture.
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Post by Hillhater » Oct 03 2019 8:36pm

There you go......falling at the first hurdle !
....A lab flask experiment representing the global atmosphere ! :roll:
And models are only do what the designers programmers design them to do,
.They are becoming more accurate because they are constantly being updated with real data to correct their obvious inaccurate predictions.
Why didnt any of the models predict the El nino’s
You may want to Check up a little about modeling random chaotic systems ..!
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Post by Ianhill » Oct 03 2019 11:17pm

Without being god we have to simplify the experiment to get a meaningful answer.

I do check out the meteorologists data and there are errors like u say it's so chaotic localized weather patterns can be hard to predict don't mean we haven't got a grip on the process when I watch the data to within 3 days we are getting fairly accurate.

I get capitalist scaring tactics and it's happening through internet t.v. and radio plus many more avenues to control my life, but I can also see pollution is real just because our eyes don't pic it up don't mean it's not there when it's effects are more obvious day by day it's clear we are changing shit up look around you it's not like the Flintstones any more we to ignore any impact is crazy even if we cling on to crazy nuts that said whack the general consensus is this is real and the outcomes are too.

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Post by billvon » Oct 03 2019 11:27pm

Hillhater wrote:
Oct 02 2019 9:43pm
1).. Establish beyond doubt, the real relationship between Anthropogenic CO2 and the total rise in Atmospheric CO2
Done. From Nature:
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There are two main types of carbon isotope (an isotope being a variation in the number of neutrons in the nucleus of the atom) in the world. One is Carbon-12 (C-12), which is preferentially absorbed by over 95% of the world's vegetation and forms the majority of the matter that will become the fossil fuel. The other isotope is Carbon-13 (C-13), which is by comparison far less utilised by life on Earth.

Secondly, there is a matter of this: δ13C. Pronounced "delta Carbon thirteen", this measurement is essentially a ratio between the amount of C-13 and C-12 in the atmosphere. As the ratio becomes increasingly negative, there is proportionally more C-12 in the atmosphere and proportionally less C-13. Stations all over the planet show a general increasing negativity in their δ13C ratio, which indicates that there is proportionally more C-12 in the atmosphere. This is in fact due to increases in carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel burning and land clearing, which has a far lower fraction of C-13 than the background atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration, and is an indubitable chemical signature of human activity.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/st ... c_climate/
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2) Establish beyond doubt the actual effect of increased CO2 and any change in climate.
Also done. "Summary of our measurements indicates that an energy flux imbalance of 3.5 W/m2 has been created by anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases since 1850." https://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual2006/t ... 100737.htm

Now, ready, set - DENY!
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Re: Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

Post by Punx0r » Oct 04 2019 2:12am

Hillhater wrote:
Oct 03 2019 8:36pm
You may want to Check up a little about modeling random chaotic systems ..!
Poor Hillhater. Like so many climate deniers confusing climate and weather.

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Re: Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

Post by jonescg » Oct 04 2019 8:26am

Remember how all those stupid scientists in the 1970s were predicting an ice age? Well, I don't actually recall seeing any worthy literature suggesting this was a possibility. If it was legitimate, there would be peer-reviewed papers documenting it. But alas, nothing.

Turns out it's a myth, should you choose to read up on it.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10 ... BAMS2370.1

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Re: Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

Post by Hillhater » Oct 04 2019 9:03pm

Punx0r wrote:
Oct 04 2019 2:12am
Hillhater wrote:
Oct 03 2019 8:36pm
You may want to Check up a little about modeling random chaotic systems ..!
Poor Hillhater. Like so many climate deniers confusing climate and weather.
Seems you are the confused one here....
..i was referring to IPCC Climate models.....nothing to do with weather.
Many years ago , the IPCC admitted..
...In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible....
(IPCC 3 , Chapter 14, Section 14.2.2.2. )
The temperature forecasting models trying to deal with the intractable complexities of the climate are no better than “toys”. They fail to recognise, let alone compensate for, many known variables, and countless unknown possible influences.
Even with perfect raw data inputs (which are not being used !), they would still be incapable of producing consistent predictions.
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