sendler2112 wrote: ↑
Nov 22 2019 7:55am
It is not "MY" future. It is the future. I am not a "doom monger". I am a truth monger.
Well, the problem there is that if you pick up along the same vein as doom mongers have followed for the past 300 years or so - with every one being wrong - you're not going to be seen as a truth monger. Imagine someone who came along and said "look, everyone knows that the mob killed JFK, Paul McCartney is dead, Elvis is alive, Bush pulled off 9/11, we never landed on the Moon - and now I have a new theory that is just as correct as all of those!" Would you call that guy a truth monger?
Doom mongers have been predicting the end of humanity/mass starvation and riots/civilization collapse/the apocalypse for at least those 300 years. They've all been wrong. So to take the approach "those people were basically right, and my prediction for complete collapse of the world financial system / riots all over the globe is also right!" is perhaps not the best approach.
If we would have started changing everything about the way we organize society 50 years ago when they told us there were limits to growth, we would have been much closer to the efficient living and sustainable energy and food systems that others here still dream about.
Yep. And the reason they failed? Because their doomsaying never came to pass. Millions did not starve in the 1980's as Erlich said was unavoidable. We are not all wearing gas masks. The ozone layer is not gone. Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me 35 times, shame on me.
So I'd advise you to quit the predictions that are based on the same false assumptions that Erlich's were. If you do that, your (quite valid) points about debt based economies, a paradigm of endless growth, and fossil fuel depletion will be taken more seriously.
Learn about our opportunities and constraints as I am trying to help. Think about it and understand it. Talk to others about it. Spread a system understanding with a view of deep time for all living things on a planet that will be in the habitable zone of the Sun for another 200 million years. Speak the truth.
Good advice. And it applies to you, as well. The issues you raise are good ones. Your predictions are not.
Start with the newest slide show lecture series that Hagens has thrown together to attempt to parse his 150 hour, 1200 slide, class, down to 1 hour, that all incoming freshmen to the Honors College at U. Minnesota are required to view. In order to get your first glimpse. 1 hour is just giving up 1 episode of the latest banal sitcom you would have otherwise watched.
Seen it. He, like you, makes some very good points. He is just as right as Erlich was; keep in mind that Erlich was a brilliant Stanford biologist who was widely acclaimed for his lectures, his intelligence and his foresight.