NASCAR has announced it's going all-electric by 2021

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NASCAR has announced it's going all-electric by 2021

Post by LockH » Apr 01 2018 7:12pm

Hehe... ESB "Search found 205 matches: NASCAR"... but not this about NASCAR...
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Re: NASCAR has announced it's going all-electric by 2021

Post by markz » Apr 01 2018 7:50pm

Getting the "hillbillies" all riled up.

You ever see the Top Gear show where the 3 brits buy all true american vehicles, then spray paint on NASCAR SUCKS, and something about gays and something about politics. They got ran outta town, rocks thrown.
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Hehe... ESB "Search found 205 matches: NASCAR"... but not this about NASCAR...
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Post by Dauntless » Apr 01 2018 11:02pm

So I'm picturing the Formula E approach where they switch cars. They'd need 10, because with their boot in it the whole way the Tesla would make 50 miles. Or maybe less. The current rule is what? You get maybe 5 minutes to work on the car and continue? So if they can get those batteries swapped in 5 minutes the driver can use the car again late in the race. Otherwise they'd just need another car.

I always thought NASCAR should have made the cars run on Moonshine. White Lightnin'. Bush Whiskey. Just like Indy Cars do.
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Post by LockH » Apr 02 2018 12:06am

I'm thinking pit stops to swap batteries. :wink:
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Post by Dauntless » Apr 08 2018 12:06am

They did a commercial with Kasey Kane and his GPS telling him "Left turn approaching. . . ." over and over.

Sometimes I wonder how they've ever managed through 'The Steeple Chases' at Watkins Glen, Somona, Road Atlanta, Gilles VIlleneuve, etc.
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Post by billvon » Apr 08 2018 12:32am

Dauntless wrote:
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So I'm picturing the Formula E approach where they switch cars. They'd need 10, because with their boot in it the whole way the Tesla would make 50 miles. Or maybe less.
So allow fast charging. There are cells that will handle 50C charge rates now. And you can bet that if that's allowed, overnight there will be new chargers and chemistries that allow even faster charging.

Or allow partial battery swaps. Or full battery swaps. Less interesting, but still some opportunity for invention and development.
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Post by liveforphysics » Apr 08 2018 4:38am

We race 24hr endurance races with Zero's, and the record pit-time to swap packs is 7seconds. I would assume nascar could get it down to half that or less.
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So I'm picturing the Formula E approach where they switch cars. They'd need 10, because with their boot in it the whole way the Tesla would make 50 miles. Or maybe less. The current rule is what? You get maybe 5 minutes to work on the car and continue? So if they can get those batteries swapped in 5 minutes the driver can use the car again late in the race. Otherwise they'd just need another car.

I always thought NASCAR should have made the cars run on Moonshine. White Lightnin'. Bush Whiskey. Just like Indy Cars do.
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^^ Hehe... "the record pit-time to swap packs is 7seconds"... Watt he said. :lol:
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Re: NASCAR has announced it's going all-electric by 2021

Post by Dauntless » Apr 08 2018 3:15pm

liveforphysics wrote:
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We race 24hr endurance races with Zero's, and the record pit-time to swap packs is 7 seconds. I would assume nascar could get it down to half that or less.
Maybe if they were racing Zero's. Do you want to replace 10-12 of the same battery, or maybe one bigger? I don't want to think about the battery coming loose like a bad wheel change. I picture the "Battery Jack," I forget what you call my portable forklift thingee but like that. What fitting ensures it goes in place and stays in place? Start with battery swaps on a much smaller car and get the act down there.
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Re: NASCAR has announced it's going all-electric by 2021

Post by liveforphysics » Apr 08 2018 3:53pm

Dauntless wrote:
Apr 08 2018 3:15pm
liveforphysics wrote:
Apr 08 2018 4:38am
We race 24hr endurance races with Zero's, and the record pit-time to swap packs is 7 seconds. I would assume nascar could get it down to half that or less.
Maybe if they were racing Zero's. Do you want to replace 10-12 of the same battery, or maybe one bigger? I don't want to think about the battery coming loose like a bad wheel change. I picture the "Battery Jack," I forget what you call my portable forklift thingee but like that. What fitting ensures it goes in place and stays in place? Start with battery swaps on a much smaller car and get the act down there.
For mass distribution reasons, the pack will likely be the flat belly pan on the bottom of the car, and would seem probable the car drives onto some cradle mechanism to lift the car as the discharged pack is mechanically released, and a fresh pack slid in under the car, indexing off the cradle for alignment and the car to be dropped pack down onto it and be mechanically locked into place. The electrically connection would be blind-mate friendly like an FX so if the pack is mis-aligned by a bit it ramps into alignment and mates.

I bet it's possible to get pack swapping below 4 seconds without needing anything exotic or expensive in the pits.
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Post by markz » Apr 08 2018 4:52pm

I have always been interested in the SCORE International Baja races in Mexico, very affordable to enter those races, unlike the Dakar races. Both should have electric classes for entree's. Have pit stops where you swap the batteries.

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Post by Crazybiker » May 07 2018 7:33pm

Dauntless wrote:
Apr 01 2018 11:02pm
So I'm picturing the Formula E approach where they switch cars. They'd need 10, because with their boot in it the whole way the Tesla would make 50 miles. Or maybe less. The current rule is what? You get maybe 5 minutes to work on the car and continue? So if they can get those batteries swapped in 5 minutes the driver can use the car again late in the race. Otherwise they'd just need another car.

I always thought NASCAR should have made the cars run on Moonshine. White Lightnin'. Bush Whiskey. Just like Indy Cars do.
with current tech i believe they would be able to build a car that can do 200 km. these nascars are a lot more expensive than a tesla. yeah it would be a bit heavier and they would have to change some regulations to allow a car of that weight but i know its possible. also if you havent noticed all the big advancements in car tech has been found by race car designers, abs was invented for racing, the automatic transmission was designed for endurance races and even power steering. turbo tech was heavily influenced, tires, and a few other things. they will for sure find a way to make it work no matter what. im thinking they are going to be running on board genorators ie gas turbine hho or something, maybe they are inventing a high capacity capacitor right now that can charge the car in less than 1 second. all this being said i think nascar being electric is kinda going to ruin the sport. it used to be about mechanics and tuning, after the change it will be all about the driver. my old boss was a nascar driver and i used to talk to him about this all the time. he says you have two kinds of drivers, losers and cheaters. its hard to cheat with an electric motor, every car is going to weight the same, same power band, all you can change is the weight bias and alighnment.

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Re: NASCAR has announced it's going all-electric by 2021

Post by Dauntless » May 07 2018 7:53pm

Well, do away with cheating and there'll be losers and winners, as intended. So I've read that the first race Bill France Sr. staged prior to NASCAR he had this tech inspection planned after the race. The winner suddenly veered off the track and drove down the beach there in Daytona, out of sight. Hours later, he came back to hand the car over for tech inspection and collect the winnin's. France told him he wasn't getting any winnin's because he ran off with his cheater before the tech inspection and the money goes to the 2nd place car that stuck around. Then he was reminded that HE was the 2nd place car and that won't look good as he's trying to promote future races. The 3rd place guy got it.

For me I'd like to see something new, but I don't want the old to go away. So NASCAR could have the Grand Am unit put on an electric series. . . .

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