Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by liteglow » Aug 22 2020 2:20pm

Colomka wrote:
Aug 22 2020 1:04pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IMmX3qTej4 in this video, I show the sequence and the software I use.
How do you know it`s on port 3 ?
Enter WINDOW meny and write: Device Manager and find out what PORT to use first.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by Colomka » Aug 22 2020 2:57pm

larsb wrote:
Mar 15 2020 3:16pm
My votol stopped working today. Reason turned out to be a broken unprotected splice hidden in the main cable sleeve that connected to the throttle +5V
I found it when bike suddenly started working when i tried to program (then USB fed +5V through the splice to the throttle :D )
48F99570-8B1C-45BE-9A3D-F69A3DF9F5BE.jpeg
Poor workmanship, beware if you get issues like this
Were you able to restore the controller? When programming, I had about the same problem( since the previous owner left bare wires. And I didn't even ride the controller I bought. Maybe that's why I can't connect to the controller.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by Colomka » Aug 22 2020 3:00pm

liteglow wrote:
Aug 22 2020 2:20pm
Colomka wrote:
Aug 22 2020 1:04pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IMmX3qTej4 in this video, I show the sequence and the software I use.
How do you know it`s on port 3 ?
Enter WINDOW meny and write: Device Manager and find out what PORT to use first.
At 2: 34, I go to the device Manager and there you can see the COM port.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by liteglow » Aug 22 2020 6:13pm

Colomka wrote:
Aug 22 2020 3:00pm
liteglow wrote:
Aug 22 2020 2:20pm
Colomka wrote:
Aug 22 2020 1:04pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IMmX3qTej4 in this video, I show the sequence and the software I use.
How do you know it`s on port 3 ?
Enter WINDOW meny and write: Device Manager and find out what PORT to use first.
At 2: 34, I go to the device Manager and there you can see the COM port.
Hmm ok, you know the port number can change ?
So It`s not a bad idea to check it before you connect.

You dobbelt check the cables are correct to the Votol, maybe try to swap RX\TX and see if that`s better.
Also 100% sure the Votol got full power from battery and is turned ON.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by Colomka » Aug 23 2020 12:00am

liteglow wrote:
Aug 22 2020 6:13pm
Colomka wrote:
Aug 22 2020 3:00pm
liteglow wrote:
Aug 22 2020 2:20pm
Colomka wrote:
Aug 22 2020 1:04pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IMmX3qTej4 in this video, I show the sequence and the software I use.
How do you know it`s on port 3 ?
Enter WINDOW meny and write: Device Manager and find out what PORT to use first.
At 2: 34, I go to the device Manager and there you can see the COM port.
Hmm ok, you know the port number can change ?
So It`s not a bad idea to check it before you connect.

You dobbelt check the cables are correct to the Votol, maybe try to swap RX\TX and see if that`s better.
Also 100% sure the Votol got full power from battery and is turned ON.
I always check the port number, it's 99% correct. I tried RX/TX and there is no reaction. Because of a short circuit, how can the larsb controller burn out?

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by Colomka » Aug 23 2020 7:22am

https://youtu.be/uDLXTKxZork
Today I bought a ta2303 nx adapter and tried connecting the controller to my PC and laptop. I connected without signaling, through a choke, but the same error appears in the software ((( :x :x x

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by larsb » Aug 23 2020 10:09am

Colomka wrote:
Aug 22 2020 2:57pm
larsb wrote:
Mar 15 2020 3:16pm
My votol stopped working today. Reason turned out to be a broken unprotected splice hidden in the main cable sleeve that connected to the throttle +5V
I found it when bike suddenly started working when i tried to program (then USB fed +5V through the splice to the throttle :D )
48F99570-8B1C-45BE-9A3D-F69A3DF9F5BE.jpeg
Poor workmanship, beware if you get issues like this
Were you able to restore the controller? When programming, I had about the same problem( since the previous owner left bare wires. And I didn't even ride the controller I bought. Maybe that's why I can't connect to the controller.
It was just to reconnect the wires again and all started working.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by lucky33 » Aug 23 2020 10:24am

Hello everyone.
Who can help me fix motor hal and hall fault
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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by Colomka » Aug 23 2020 10:30am

Assuming that the controller burned out, I decided to disassemble it. I did not disassemble it for a long time, using flat bits. Inside the controller I have not found when connecting directly the error persists in all the software. I am already ready to pay if they help me connect the controller to the PC.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... SQIflUAKCb

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by nardcox » Aug 24 2020 4:09am

larsb wrote:
Aug 14 2020 10:07am
it's described on first page in this thread.
You also need to remove Park lock mode on most controllers delivered lately, also described in thread.
Thanks, didn't bother reading the first page since it was pretty old, only read the first comment.
Thanks! For anyone else: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=95969#p1422848

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by SilentEnduro » Aug 24 2020 5:18am

Folks, we are back in game with Votol!
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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by j bjork » Aug 24 2020 7:05am

liteglow wrote:
Aug 18 2020 6:44am
I could really need some help.

I got my mid drive 3000W QS motor, EM150 Votol.

I got alot of torgue in revers, but not forward.
And I can't understand why.

If anyone could share som settings for the mid drive, that would be great.
I saw your earlier settings a few pages back, they were totally wrong.
I think I replied then with some of the settings, when it was clear what motor you had.
Have you set up the right settings for the motor now?
They are posted several times in this thread.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by liteglow » Aug 24 2020 10:21am


I saw your earlier settings a few pages back, they were totally wrong.
I think I replied then with some of the settings, when it was clear what motor you had.
Have you set up the right settings for the motor now?
They are posted several times in this thread.
Hi and thank you for the reply.

It does not matter, the controller will not receive settings anymore.
If I change something, it goes back to other value after you reconnect.

QS is taking it back, but they are extremely slow returning e-mail. (support is very bad)
So I guess it will take to long time to get it running this summer.

I had my Votol for 3 weeks, and only been able to do 1 test run!!
And it stopped at 60kph.

I hope I never have to see a votol again.... This controller have not lived up to any expectation at all.
WIll never recommend anyone I know to buy it .

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by larsb » Aug 24 2020 11:08am

Driving motor with wrong parameters can kill any controller. Reason is that it loses control which can cause overcurrent spikes and overvoltage.

One can never be sure what was the true problem with your controller but if i had a business, sold it to you and read this thread then i’m not sure i’d give you warranty.

It’s tough to be in the controller business :wink:

Ps: try to get a .dat file with settings from someone here and reflash your controller with these. It might just wake up. I even think there’s a few uploaded in the thread if the links are still active.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by liteglow » Aug 24 2020 4:14pm

larsb wrote:
Aug 24 2020 11:08am
Driving motor with wrong parameters can kill any controller. Reason is that it loses control which can cause overcurrent spikes and overvoltage.

One can never be sure what was the true problem with your controller but if i had a business, sold it to you and read this thread then i’m not sure i’d give you warranty.

It’s tough to be in the controller business :wink:

Ps: try to get a .dat file with settings from someone here and reflash your controller with these. It might just wake up. I even think there’s a few uploaded in the thread if the links are still active.
Well they did tell me controller was "set up" when delivered.
Plugged everything in but motor was only shaking.

AFTER that I plugged in USB and all setting was off, it had 16 poles and surface mount magnet etc...
No doubt for a hub wheel.

I did not drive motor with these settings, but I got "OK" settings from other members on the FB Group.
Motor was doing OK on my test (but I could not get a decent rpm) , it needed more tweaking.

But on the bench trying to adjust settings, controller suddenly stopped to save settings.
When I try to change flux to recommended settings, it "autosave to 60" .

QS said they will take it back for a repair and check.
But they take usually 3-4 days before I got any answers from them.

When I can`t run a controller that works, I can't recommend it either. sadly...
If they can get it running, I will be more than happy to rate it different.

Edit: I have saved my config files, tried to figure out where each settings is within the file.
I changed parameters in the file, uploaded it to controller.
When I log in to my controller, some of the basic settings is saved, but the "flux" parameter settings is not saved.

There was other here on this forum mention that to much changing parameter in the controller breaks it.
It`s that is the case, the controller have a bad fault.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by nardcox » Aug 26 2020 3:16pm

I have the EM150 connected up and everything. However it almost completely doesn't respond to my throttle inputs. If I spin the wheel by hand and give some throttle it gives a small nudge of power but that's it. Does it need to calibrate or something? Might something be 'wrong' with the hallsensor?

EDIT: Just connected it to my laptop. RPM are being counted when I spin the wheel with my hand.

EDIT: It shows it as the EM100 instead of the EM150 which is also stated on the unit itself.

EDIT: It also stopped responding with the little thrusts. Don't know where to start trouble shooting this. If printscreens of the settings are required let me know. These settings have been set from QS Motors as fas as I know. The motor connected however is a standard Super Soco motor from 'Bosch'.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by liteglow » Aug 27 2020 2:29am

nardcox wrote:
Aug 26 2020 3:16pm
I have the EM150 connected up and everything. However it almost completely doesn't respond to my throttle inputs. If I spin the wheel by hand and give some throttle it gives a small nudge of power but that's it. Does it need to calibrate or something? Might something be 'wrong' with the hallsensor?

EDIT: Just connected it to my laptop. RPM are being counted when I spin the wheel with my hand.

EDIT: It shows it as the EM100 instead of the EM150 which is also stated on the unit itself.

EDIT: It also stopped responding with the little thrusts. Don't know where to start trouble shooting this. If printscreens of the settings are required let me know. These settings have been set from QS Motors as fas as I know. The motor connected however is a standard Super Soco motor from 'Bosch'.
Need to see your settings.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by larsb » Aug 27 2020 10:51am

It’s time, at least for me, to stop posting in this thread since everything just goes round and round and you guys can’t be bothered to read the info, even when the thread contains most or all you need to know already. :lowbatt:

Every motor has to be matched to the correct phase angle setting FOR THAT MOTOR. If you don’t you risk burning your motor and/or controller.

If you have a question how to do it.. read the thread.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by nardcox » Aug 27 2020 2:08pm

liteglow wrote:
Aug 27 2020 2:29am
Need to see your settings.
Thanks. Will make printscreens of all the pages and posted them in the following link (to keep this topic clean):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fASHVhmBg7NhmAXn7

larsb wrote:
Aug 27 2020 10:51am
It’s time, at least for me, to stop posting in this thread since everything just goes round and round and you guys can’t be bothered to read the info, even when the thread contains most or all you need to know already. :lowbatt:

Every motor has to be matched to the correct phase angle setting FOR THAT MOTOR. If you don’t you risk burning your motor and/or controller.

If you have a question how to do it.. read the thread.
I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm the first to admit I'm a rookie at all of this and might ask some stupid question and questions that have been answered a dozen times again.

Is there a 'post' that contains this kind of info or perhaps the FAQ? We can ask an admin to include this info in the topic start so that all info is gathered in one place. That will make your lives as well as the rookies live much easier. I've read the last few pages but without knowing what to 'search' for it's kind of difficult to get the info that is relevant. I will admit I didn't read all 1070 posts so far.

The "phase angle settings' is specific enough I think, I'll start searching, thanks for the info Lars!

EDIT: So the number of pole pairs and the hall angle seem important.
I'm been searching and found info is scarce... I found one post where someone said the TC motor has 27 pole pairs. That's far from the 16 in my settings...

EDIT: Instead of messing with the settings I've just decided to connect the QS Motor (since the settings should be ok for that one) but no luck either..https://photos.app.goo.gl/x2vQEBhkRR7p1Uj7A

EDIT: I'm thinking it has to do with the throttle input or something. What can I do/measure to check if it's working properly?

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by liteglow » Aug 27 2020 6:07pm

larsb wrote:
Aug 27 2020 10:51am
It’s time, at least for me, to stop posting in this thread since everything just goes round and round and you guys can’t be bothered to read the info, even when the thread contains most or all you need to know already. :lowbatt:

Every motor has to be matched to the correct phase angle setting FOR THAT MOTOR. If you don’t you risk burning your motor and/or controller.

If you have a question how to do it.. read the thread.
This thread is 42 pages long.
Can't expect everyone to read 42 pages with mostly wrong answers, or different answers. And if your lucky you can find maybe one setting that is close to what you need.... But not 100%

There should definitely have been a sticky for a motor that is so popular and what setting/gear ratio that is reccomended.

Anyway, my answer is simple: Stay away from any Votol Controller as it sucs.

Controller almost never work directly from factory.
Software and manual have English that is very hard to understand.
Software make no logic sense.
Controller stop working if you try to adjust settings to much.
Many of the settings in the software does not work as they are supposed to do.
And the support from QS is bad and takes forever.

THIS is what I find out after reading every page in this thread, and study all pictures of the settings posted here.
Including 3 different FB groups, and reddit.

No matter how many different users I ask, they all have the same answer, buy a Kelly or any other controller.

And the support in this thread also seems to have stopped, only 2-3 people that reply after some days/week..
Guess most people have sold the Votol or it's dead.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by j bjork » Aug 28 2020 12:06am

I think you are the first person I have seen recommend a kelly over the votol 150sp.
I have no personal experience with kelly, but from what I have seen on this forum they dont seem very reliable..

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by j bjork » Aug 28 2020 12:12am

liteglow wrote:
Aug 27 2020 6:07pm
larsb wrote:
Aug 27 2020 10:51am
It’s time, at least for me, to stop posting in this thread since everything just goes round and round and you guys can’t be bothered to read the info, even when the thread contains most or all you need to know already. :lowbatt:

Every motor has to be matched to the correct phase angle setting FOR THAT MOTOR. If you don’t you risk burning your motor and/or controller.

If you have a question how to do it.. read the thread.
And the support in this thread also seems to have stopped, only 2-3 people that reply after some days/week..
Guess most people have sold the Votol or it's dead.
I think a lot of the answer is in your quote. The most of the users get tired of answering after a while.

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Re: Votol EM-100 & EM-150 controllers

Post by nardcox » Aug 28 2020 3:11am

Isn't it an idea that some of the more experienced user write together a small FAQ so save everybody some time and frustration? If most questions have been answered it should mainly be some copy/paste work right?

I'm an active member in several communities (PC Hardware, RC Racing, SIM Racing) and I know it gets frustrating answering the same questions over and over. So in every single community we spend time on gathering the basic data and most FAQ and put it together in the topic start or a sticky depending on the typ of info. Once that's done you get to say things like: RTFM :twisted:. Before getting frustrated make sure you've done what you've can to avoid it.

If I would have the knowledge I'd be more than happy to create it, unfortunately I don't and don't want to mis inform people, no info is better than wrong info. I also know there is a document with lots of info but have to say it's often times pretty hard to understand what they actually mean so I think some people here can do better than that. Anyway a small start:
Warning
This has been made by a newbie so incorrect info might be shown, don't assume the info below is right. If you have question post a reply and wait for an expert to assist.

Votol Company
Votol Controllers procued by SiAecosys. SiAecosys is an union of manufactories in electric driving industry, and belongs to Taizhou SIA Trading Co., Ltd that set from QS Factory in 2013year. Currently, more than 80 top factories join SiAecosys, and they are willing to provide customized products and service for international customers who has passion in e-scooter/tricycle/car industry.

SiAecosys focus on organizing member factories together to customize specific e-driving system solution and products for different requirements from customers in the world. Nowadays, SiAecosys has more than 5000 customers from the world and more than 40 customers send inquiry every day.

SiAecosys has sale department, Technology department, Quality inspection department, general accounting department, purchase department and after-sale service department.

Votol Controller types
Table of the different models, voltages, rated current, max current, peak power, dimensions, weight, etc
EM100
  • Voltage: 48V-72V (max. 90V).
  • Battery Current: 100A (maximum).
  • Phase Current: 330A (maximum).
  • Flux Weakening Ratio: 200%.
  • Size: 218 x 124 x 62mm.
  • Weight: 1.650kg
  • Motor size fit: 2 - 3 KW
EM150
  • Voltage: 48V-72V (max. 90V).
  • Battery Current: 150A (peak).
  • Boost Current: 150A.
  • Phase Current: 470A (peak).
  • Size: 245 x 129 x 69mm.
  • Motor size fit: 3 - 4 KW
EM150S
EM150SP
EM200
  • Voltage: 48V-72V (max. 90V).
  • Battery Current: 200A (peak).
  • Boost Current: 245A.
  • Phase Current: 550A (peak).
  • Max. Efficiency: more than 92%
  • Flux Weakening Ratio: 300% max.
  • Size: 285 x 168 x 69mm.

Main Options
  • Regeneration
    • Regeneration means recovering energy from the motor and putting it back inside the battery. This increases range and can reduce brake wear. It's also used in electric cars and often referred to as 'one pedal driving'.
  • Over & under voltage cut off
    • A commonly seen option which cuts of the power when the voltage from the battery is higher or lower than certain parameter. This option is made to protect the controller and yourself
  • Throttle voltages & responses
  • Flux weaking
    • An option to increase the topspeed of the motor. The downside is that efficiency will drop and heat will increase to use with caution
  • HDC
  • Three speed settings
    • An option that enable you to use three different speed settings. This can be done with a switch on the steering wheel for example. This is a great option if you just want to cruise instead of going mental or when someelse wants to try riding for the first time and to let them getting used to the electric power and handling
  • Cruise control
    • An option to maintain your speed without providing active throttle input
  • Reverse
    • An option to drive in reverse. This might be handy when you want to back out of a tight spot
  • Phase angle
  • Pole pairs
  • busbar current
  • phase current
  • Etc.
Software
  • Latest software can be downloaded here:
  • How to install the drivers and software can be found here:
  • Wiring Diagrams can be found here
Start up
Minimum requirements in order to turn on the controller:
  • Hall sensor
  • Motor phase wires
  • Battery +
  • Battery -
  • Elock connected to battery +
Trouble Shooting
  • Motor doesn't turn
Make sure you check the pole pairs and the angle hall settings. Both of these settings need to be matched with the specific motor you are using. Below a table of some more frequently used motors and their corresponding settings
Table: Motor | Pole Pairs | Hall Angle

  • Motor turns but noisy
  • Motor turns but gets hot
  • Regen related issues
  • Speed is not shown (correctly)
  • Controller not recognized in Windows
    • It can be a hassle to get it working, in short the following checks/steps need to be taken. More details can be found in the "Software" section of this post.
    • Make sure you see "blabla" in the Device Manager"
    • Select the same port in the Votol software
    • Press: "Open Port"
    • Press: "Connect"
    • Communication exception, no response
  • etc

Trouble Shooting
Below some Links to some cool builds that use a Votol controller.


Votol vs
There are plenty of other options to choose from.
The main advantages of Votol are:

The main disadvantages compared to most other controllers are:

Usefull Links Dominio throttle with Votol


Anyway, if someone can find the time in their schedules to help me get on my way that would be highly appreciated.
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