Dual action twist throttle

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Dual action twist throttle

Post by TomBe » Oct 05 2020 2:10pm

Hi everyone.

Do you guys know where can I buy exactly this twist throttle?
If you twist it in one side it accelerates and if you twist it in opposite direction it turns on a regen braking.

P.S. I know about Domino and Vectrix throttles but this one in the picture is something different.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by srapy » Oct 06 2020 12:18pm

Hi,
I also was looking for them.

These are Hirschmann throttles. The dual version seams not to be very common.
Those were also used on some early REVX bikes, but no more.
Hirschmann also produces normal electric throttles for BMW motocycles.
This is all I can say, keep us posted, if you find out where to get them.

pozdrowienia ;)

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Merlin » Oct 06 2020 6:12pm

i have one left =)

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by TomBe » Oct 07 2020 7:38am

srapy wrote:
Oct 06 2020 12:18pm
Hi,
I also was looking for them.

These are Hirschmann throttles. The dual version seams not to be very common.
Those were also used on some early REVX bikes, but no more.
Hirschmann also produces normal electric throttles for BMW motocycles.
This is all I can say, keep us posted, if you find out where to get them.

pozdrowienia ;)

Oliver
Hello.
Thank you very much for this informations! I am very grateful for your help.
Now I know what I am searching for and where can I ask about it :)
Of course if I will have any new informations, I will let you know guys.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Oct 10 2020 10:08am

What throttles are out there that can do regen? I’ll be using a vesc.

Any half grip? Full grip?


Got a frame and rims that don’t take rear brakes intending to use regen and seems ridiculously hard to find a regen throttle.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by srapy » Oct 10 2020 1:26pm

I dont know other ones that have that feature, but you could try using "Current No Reverse Brake Button" as control type.
I rebuild a domino throttle switch by turning it around as a button for activating the throttle as a variable brake.
Other alternative is a brake lever with hall effect sensor for regen from Electric Motion or Pohlbock.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Oct 10 2020 1:31pm

srapy wrote:
Oct 10 2020 1:26pm
I dont know other ones that have that feature, but you could try using "Current No Reverse Brake Button" as control type.
I rebuild a domino throttle switch by turning it around as a button for activating the throttle as a variable brake.
Other alternative is a brake lever with hall effect sensor for regen from Electric Motion or Pohlbock.
ugh. im stunned and assumed getting a dual action throttle i could use for regen wouldn't be a problem. there's none!? that's ridiculous. or i'll see if the domino or vectrix does it, but i'd rather a half throttle

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Stevil_Knevil » Dec 11 2020 12:52am

Half throttle is easy - hacksaw - then add half a grip.
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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Dec 11 2020 12:05pm

Stevil_Knevil wrote:
Dec 11 2020 12:52am
Half throttle is easy - hacksaw - then add half a grip.
The hard part is finding dual direction. I found one on alibaba. Forget the brand or details now n maybe in this thread or some other I posted it.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Jan 23 2021 2:12pm

i got these two way throttles and they have three wires coming out, can i use them with the PPM on the vec6 and what order would i put them in? worried i could short something and dont want to ruin the esc. its just three wires with the little crimped metal bit on the ends and i can put them into a 7 hole jst plug and trim the rest of the plug off.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by srapy » Jan 23 2021 3:06pm

You are lucky! I already tried with my Vesc 75/300.
PPM is not the way to do it. You have to go with the ADC, ADC2, VCC and GND PIN‘s.
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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Jan 23 2021 3:11pm

srapy wrote:
Jan 23 2021 3:06pm
You are lucky! I already tried with my Vesc 75/300.
PPM is not the way to do it. You have to go with the ADC, ADC2, VCC and GND PIN‘s.
thanks for the help! but are you using the same three wire throttle as me? em-cro brand. tempted to just start plugging stuff in but worried could damage it. what you think i should do?

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by srapy » Jan 23 2021 3:14pm

Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Jan 23 2021 3:11pm
srapy wrote:
Jan 23 2021 3:06pm
You are lucky! I already tried with my Vesc 75/300.
PPM is not the way to do it. You have to go with the ADC, ADC2, VCC and GND PIN‘s.
thanks for the help! but are you using the same three wire throttle as me? em-cro brand. tempted to just start plugging stuff in but worried could damage it. what you think i should do?
I am using the one this thread is about, which is 6 PIN. I thought you were talking about this one not off-topic throttles.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by TomBe » Jan 27 2021 2:02pm

srapy wrote:
Oct 06 2020 12:18pm
Hi,
I also was looking for them.

These are Hirschmann throttles. The dual version seams not to be very common.
Those were also used on some early REVX bikes, but no more.
Hirschmann also produces normal electric throttles for BMW motocycles.
This is all I can say, keep us posted, if you find out where to get them.

pozdrowienia ;)

Oliver
These Hirschmann throttles are used in following motorbikes:
  • Moto Guzzi V85 & MGX 21
  • Aprilia Tuono/RSV
Sometimes it is possible to buy them from local dealers.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by _GonZo_ » Jan 28 2021 4:44am

This one from Wunxing does dual action:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 0.0.SenY3r

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Jan 28 2021 11:31am

_GonZo_ wrote:
Jan 28 2021 4:44am
This one from Wunxing does dual action:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 0.0.SenY3r
that's what i got. uses three wires and works with adc. its very nice and solid feeling in materials and its action. I put them in hot water to soften them and get them on.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by _GonZo_ » Jan 29 2021 4:43am

Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Jan 28 2021 11:31am
that's what i got. uses three wires and works with adc. its very nice and solid feeling in materials and its action. I put them in hot water to soften them and get them on.
Hi Hummida, can I ask you: Is it proportional in both directions?

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Jan 29 2021 11:09am

_GonZo_ wrote:
Jan 29 2021 4:43am
Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Jan 28 2021 11:31am
that's what i got. uses three wires and works with adc. its very nice and solid feeling in materials and its action. I put them in hot water to soften them and get them on.
Hi Hummida, can I ask you: Is it proportional in both directions?
Dont know what u mean. I set the throttle center and end points on the Vesc. It throttles, it brakes, it coasts in the middle. If ur asking if u can turn the throttle the same amount in either direction I think so.

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by emmgee » Jan 29 2021 12:11pm

The dual action throttle from Wuxing (I think type 170X-2) seems to be ideal. But I couldn't find a source to buy just 1 or 2 of them (and not 100+ pcs.). Does anybody have a link where single pieces can be ordered?
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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Jan 29 2021 1:39pm

emmgee wrote:
Jan 29 2021 12:11pm
The dual action throttle from Wuxing (I think type 170X-2) seems to be ideal. But I couldn't find a source to buy just 1 or 2 of them (and not 100+ pcs.). Does anybody have a link where single pieces can be ordered?
i bought them on alibaba and ironically they told me they could only sell me a couple. i bought 10. you can buy a few on alibaba or even one but the shipping sucks. if youre in usa ill ship you one for 25$ plus 10 for shipping. comes with the other grip and i think its a 7 pin jst plug. the 3 wires arent inserted and you put them in where you need them. was told the 7 pin was kinda universal and people could put the wires where they needed, or get another plug to insert the three pins


https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 3e5fXkU3d8

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by emmgee » Jan 29 2021 4:08pm

Thanks Hummina. I didn't know that min. quantities can be negotiated on alibaba. As I live in Europe this makes more sense than buying one from you in the US, but I very much appreciate your offer!
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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by _GonZo_ » Feb 01 2021 6:24am

Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Jan 29 2021 11:09am
_GonZo_ wrote:
Jan 29 2021 4:43am
Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Jan 28 2021 11:31am
that's what i got. uses three wires and works with adc. its very nice and solid feeling in materials and its action. I put them in hot water to soften them and get them on.
Hi Hummida, can I ask you: Is it proportional in both directions?
Dont know what u mean. I set the throttle center and end points on the Vesc. It throttles, it brakes, it coasts in the middle. If ur asking if u can turn the throttle the same amount in either direction I think so.
I mean with my question if when braking it does like when accelerates, it brakes proportionally to the position of the amount of throttle twist you apply. (when you accelerate, motor accelerates proportionally to the position of the throttle twist...)

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Re: Dual action twist throttle

Post by Hummina Shadeeba » Feb 01 2021 10:29am

_GonZo_ wrote:
Feb 01 2021 6:24am
Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Jan 29 2021 11:09am
_GonZo_ wrote:
Jan 29 2021 4:43am
Hummina Shadeeba wrote:
Jan 28 2021 11:31am
that's what i got. uses three wires and works with adc. its very nice and solid feeling in materials and its action. I put them in hot water to soften them and get them on.
Hi Hummida, can I ask you: Is it proportional in both directions?
Dont know what u mean. I set the throttle center and end points on the Vesc. It throttles, it brakes, it coasts in the middle. If ur asking if u can turn the throttle the same amount in either direction I think so.
I mean with my question if when braking it does like when accelerates, it brakes proportionally to the position of the amount of throttle twist you apply. (when you accelerate, motor accelerates proportionally to the position of the throttle twist...)
I program the mid and end points of the throttle in the Vesc. U could adjust them. But it does work proportionally: twist further get faster acceleration or braking

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