African cargo biker
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I am researching the practicality of building an e-bike that can be carried on international flights. I have a folding Bike Friday.
As described on other ES posts there are strict rules on what lithium batteries can be carried on flights. As I understand it batteries of under 100 Wh are allowed to be carried in cabin baggage. I am considering ordering a battery that is split into units of less than 100Whrs. These could be disconnected from each other to comply with airline regulations.
Does anyone have experience of whether such an arrangement would be acceptable to airlines?
I note that Nycewheels (http://www.nycewheels.com/electric-brompton-split-battery.html) are offering a similar arrangement to power a Brompton (they use two 160whr units connected in parallel, however this size of battery pack requires pre-flight approval).
My preference would be to use several 48V units that can be connected together in parallel. One important question would be whether this could be done with just one BMS (either in one of the packs, or as a separate unit). The power and balance lines would be plugged into the BMS for use and charging. I understand that there would be a danger of damage to the BMS if the different packs were at different states of charge. If the units were only disconnected for brief travel times would such an arrangement still endanger the BMS?
The danger would be exaggerated if I wanted to use a different number of packs at different times. Hence a smaller pack could be used for short journeys with a lightly laden bike. One solution to this might be to have two sets of connectors wired to each pack. When connecting a new pack then the initial connection could be made through a specially made connector wire that had suitable resistors in each wire, including balance wires. Could this adequately limit the current and voltage if the cells were of different states of charge? Would it protect the BMS? The procedure would be to either leave the cells for a while to ensure equalizing, or to measure the voltage across the resistors. When satisfied then the other connector on the two cells would be connected. The temporary connector with the resistors could then be removed. This could be done again to add a further pack to the main pack with it's BMS.
Such parallel arrangements seem to be quite common with Lipo systems. However perhaps this is only where the system is run without a BMS. Cell-man's concern was the risk of damage to the BMS.
I would also consider having the first pack made from higher 'C' rating cells so that it could be run on it's own, and then the additional packs made with higher capacity cells for endurance with heavy loads. With the proposed precautions could such an arrangement be practical?
Glad of any assistance: a confessed noob and dreamer.
As described on other ES posts there are strict rules on what lithium batteries can be carried on flights. As I understand it batteries of under 100 Wh are allowed to be carried in cabin baggage. I am considering ordering a battery that is split into units of less than 100Whrs. These could be disconnected from each other to comply with airline regulations.
Does anyone have experience of whether such an arrangement would be acceptable to airlines?
I note that Nycewheels (http://www.nycewheels.com/electric-brompton-split-battery.html) are offering a similar arrangement to power a Brompton (they use two 160whr units connected in parallel, however this size of battery pack requires pre-flight approval).
My preference would be to use several 48V units that can be connected together in parallel. One important question would be whether this could be done with just one BMS (either in one of the packs, or as a separate unit). The power and balance lines would be plugged into the BMS for use and charging. I understand that there would be a danger of damage to the BMS if the different packs were at different states of charge. If the units were only disconnected for brief travel times would such an arrangement still endanger the BMS?
The danger would be exaggerated if I wanted to use a different number of packs at different times. Hence a smaller pack could be used for short journeys with a lightly laden bike. One solution to this might be to have two sets of connectors wired to each pack. When connecting a new pack then the initial connection could be made through a specially made connector wire that had suitable resistors in each wire, including balance wires. Could this adequately limit the current and voltage if the cells were of different states of charge? Would it protect the BMS? The procedure would be to either leave the cells for a while to ensure equalizing, or to measure the voltage across the resistors. When satisfied then the other connector on the two cells would be connected. The temporary connector with the resistors could then be removed. This could be done again to add a further pack to the main pack with it's BMS.
Such parallel arrangements seem to be quite common with Lipo systems. However perhaps this is only where the system is run without a BMS. Cell-man's concern was the risk of damage to the BMS.
I would also consider having the first pack made from higher 'C' rating cells so that it could be run on it's own, and then the additional packs made with higher capacity cells for endurance with heavy loads. With the proposed precautions could such an arrangement be practical?
Glad of any assistance: a confessed noob and dreamer.