arkmundi said:
As to your battery - I've made my own packs for better that 5 years now, have researched extensively and feel I possess a sufficient modicum of know-how & experience as to provide perspective. Yea, 6ah is just not enough. And the heating is a big no-no. Any such is indicative of an over-current draw. And while damage may be slow coming - the damage is nonetheless inevitable - premature failure of the pack. 6ah is not just a capacity measure, but a measure of max current. And your cells C-rate sets that as a hard ceiling. 6ah x 1C is 6amps and your draw is obiously more. Check motor specs to see optimum, min & max. I'd believe it closer to 30 amps. A 20ah pack with a safe 2C yields 40 amps and would be better.
Or you could get away with 12ah cells at 3C for 36 amps. What cells are in your pack and have you checked the spec sheet for those?
I have to agree with you on this one arkmundi.
As much as I like Luna products, my BBSHD can still easily pull 32 amps on full throttle. Just one of these mini pack is just not going to cut it. You'd be lucky to get 150 usefull battery cycles from the high heat degradation of cells. Put TWO mini packs (TOTAL 14S4P) and you should be just okay (probably get 300 cycles). Put THREE mini pack in parallel and you'd be golden (14S6P) with a good cycle life, only asking about 5 amps per cell then.
drew12345 said:
Thanks Arkmundi and raged. Yeah, I only got 7 miles because I charged to 80%. After that, I charged to 100% and got 10 miles. I'm running 30Q cells. My original plan was to get 2 of these mighty mini's. I like them because they are small, safer and easier to maintain than lipo I used to use. So I bought one and waiting to see how it performs. Yeah, unfortunately it does get hot and know it's bad. But I am thinking about buying another because I like how small they are. That will get me 12ah which is plenty. And I do want to get a large pack for riding longer distances. I wish I knew how to build a pack like you.
The thing is, now that your first pack has gone bad, capacity will be significantly lower. If you parallel this now-low capacity pack with a new mini cube, the old pack will drain the newer one fast... the overall capacity will be handicaped and the new pack migh even suffer from the older one sucking juice real fast... at a too high C-rating.... thus damaging the newer one...
Look at the 30Q cell specs : https://eu.nkon.nl/sk/k/30q.pdf
asking 15A/cell is sort of a bit of a stretch. Especially if you do it continously (like with the BBSHD)
asking 10A/cell will yeild only 2700 mAh garanteed (2983 mAh typical-tested).... but that's if you go from 4.20V to 2.80 V....
From what I recall, a 52V BBSHD has a LVC either set to 43V or 41V (either 3.07V/cell or 2.93V/cell).... So you'd be lucky to pull out 2800 mAh per cell.
If you look at the discharge curve graph on page 6, you'll see that if you pull 15amp per cell (or 30 amps on this 2P pack), you'll only extract 2100 mAh/cell before you reach 3.07V LVC, and on the same graph, you could see that
cell temp would reach 73°Celcius !!! Really bad for the cells. On the other hand, with 3 mini packs wired in parallel (overall equivalent to 14S6P) a 30 amp BBSHD draw means only 5 amps draw per cell.The same graph shows that a 5 amp/cell load, you can extract 2500 mAh/cell before you hit the 3.07V LVC and the cell temperature will only rise from 23°C to 40»C, thus no harm done to the cells from excessive heat).
Temp is a major parameter to account for lithium batteries
I think the mini cube is awsome if you always plan to hook up at least 2 in parallel for the BBSHD's power hungry needs.
I'd be curious to know (in the real world... Not just in a lab). How many cycles did your single 14S2P mini battery pack last with all that stress on it.