15/18F Silent Controller 36-150V BT-iOS-Android/GPS-$179-199

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Good morning. Are you guys away? You didn't reply my last mails. I am patient but not so much. I'd appreciate an answer.
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Re: 15/18F Silent Controller 36-150V BT-iOS-Android/GPS-$179

Post by shakira_81 » Nov 02 2017 6:07am

Hello
I'm interested of this 18 4115 fets controller with Bluetooth programming.
I want it shipped to Sweden, can you please arrange that for me and how much do you want from me?

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Nov 02 2017 11:19am

What voltage and current are you running?
If less than 120v, I'd recommend a controller with toshiba mosfets or AOT290 if less than 100v.
shakira_81 wrote:Hello
I'm interested of this 18 4115 fets controller with Bluetooth programming.
I want it shipped to Sweden, can you please arrange that for me and how much do you want from me?

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Post by agedashidofu » Nov 15 2017 12:17am

Hi there...really interested in this - mostly because of the IOs interface. A couple of questions please if you don't mind (question is for the 18FET version)

1. Will the 18FET version run sensorless? I notice that your 12FET version will run in dual mode (sensored / sensorless). If so, how does it run on sensorless mode? Sluggish? ok?
2. Recommendation between IRFB4110 or AOT290, and why? Will be running <100V
3. What is exactly the max phase and batt current for each of the 12FET, 15FET, and 18FET? is 370A phase achievable on the 18FET version?
4. Can the settings on Ios / android do throttle voltage mapping? Or will that have to be done through cycle analyst?
5. What is the shunt resistance? Is there a need to put an independent shunt for cycle analyst to read the amp draw properly?
6. Have plans to run this on 2WD. Will it work? I'm thinking we just solder / link the throttle cable between the 2 controllers and half the shunt value on the cycle analyst (will be running same motor, same KV, same batt)
7. Dimension of the 18FET is 18.5" X 3.5" X 1.875"?
8. What is the dimension of the 15FET?

Sorry for the so many questions - and really appreciate the time and assistance.

Best regards

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Nov 15 2017 2:13am

Responses are inline below:
agedashidofu wrote:Hi there...really interested in this - mostly because of the IOs interface. A couple of questions please if you don't mind (question is for the 18FET version)

1. Will the 18FET version run sensorless? I notice that your 12FET version will run in dual mode (sensored / sensorless). If so, how does it run on sensorless mode? Sluggish? ok?
Dual mode 18Fs are currently available. If you want to run sensorless, you just don't connect sensors. This forces the controller to switch from sinewave to trapezoid modulation. The way you can tell the difference is that trapezoid modulation would cause the motor to wheeze a bit vs. sinewave being almost silent.

2. Recommendation between IRFB4110 or AOT290, and why? Will be running <100V
AT290 have better specs.

3. What is exactly the max phase and batt current for each of the 12FET, 15FET, and 18FET? is 370A phase achievable on the 18FET version?
12F - 40A, 15 - 50A, 18 - 70A. This is not to say that you can't program more. However, you risk overheating a controller. 200A max phase on 18F and would be more than sufficient for most bikes under 120lbs or so. 370A would be an overkill for most bikes in this weight category.

4. Can the settings on Ios / android do throttle voltage mapping? Or will that have to be done through cycle analyst?
Not at the moment.

5. What is the shunt resistance? Is there a need to put an independent shunt for cycle analyst to read the amp draw properly?
CA connector is already wired on all controllers and shunt values are posted. Amp readings are reasonably accurate and no need to add anything extra. It's ready to go..

6. Have plans to run this on 2WD. Will it work? I'm thinking we just solder / link the throttle cable between the 2 controllers and half the shunt value on the cycle analyst (will be running same motor, same KV, same batt)
Yes, that has been done. Same motors, same controllers and split throttle.

7. Dimension of the 18FET is 18.5" X 3.5" X 1.875"?
8 1/2 x 3 1/2 x 1 7/8

8. What is the dimension of the 15FET?
It's a couple of inches shorter compared to 18F.


Sorry for the so many questions - and really appreciate the time and assistance.

Best regards

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Post by shorza » Nov 16 2017 9:08am

I'm not sure if this had been asked before or not, but how do I measure motor temp? My MXUS 3k has 1 white wire for a temp probe, but this controller has 2 wires.

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Post by shorza » Nov 17 2017 10:20pm

Also, what is the single green and yellow wire for? Possibly a Bluetooth aerial? It doesn't have a terminal.

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Post by agedashidofu » Nov 18 2017 4:55am

Thank you so much for the prompt reply! This is extremely helpful. The size of the controller on the 18FET almost perfectly fits with what I have in mind. Just 2 more questions please:

1. On the 18FET - are you able to make this 0.5 inch shorter? I.e. 8" instead of 8 1/2"? I just need that 0.5 inch room to make this completely work
2. Just in case, what's the max phase amp on the 15FET controller (that will defenitely fit - but would prefer the 18FET if the above is possible.)

Thank you so much once again!

Best regards
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Nov 15 2017 2:13am
Responses are inline below:
agedashidofu wrote:Hi there...really interested in this - mostly because of the IOs interface. A couple of questions please if you don't mind (question is for the 18FET version)

1. Will the 18FET version run sensorless? I notice that your 12FET version will run in dual mode (sensored / sensorless). If so, how does it run on sensorless mode? Sluggish? ok?
Dual mode 18Fs are currently available. If you want to run sensorless, you just don't connect sensors. This forces the controller to switch from sinewave to trapezoid modulation. The way you can tell the difference is that trapezoid modulation would cause the motor to wheeze a bit vs. sinewave being almost silent.

2. Recommendation between IRFB4110 or AOT290, and why? Will be running <100V
AT290 have better specs.

3. What is exactly the max phase and batt current for each of the 12FET, 15FET, and 18FET? is 370A phase achievable on the 18FET version?
12F - 40A, 15 - 50A, 18 - 70A. This is not to say that you can't program more. However, you risk overheating a controller. 200A max phase on 18F and would be more than sufficient for most bikes under 120lbs or so. 370A would be an overkill for most bikes in this weight category.

4. Can the settings on Ios / android do throttle voltage mapping? Or will that have to be done through cycle analyst?
Not at the moment.

5. What is the shunt resistance? Is there a need to put an independent shunt for cycle analyst to read the amp draw properly?
CA connector is already wired on all controllers and shunt values are posted. Amp readings are reasonably accurate and no need to add anything extra. It's ready to go..

6. Have plans to run this on 2WD. Will it work? I'm thinking we just solder / link the throttle cable between the 2 controllers and half the shunt value on the cycle analyst (will be running same motor, same KV, same batt)
Yes, that has been done. Same motors, same controllers and split throttle.

7. Dimension of the 18FET is 18.5" X 3.5" X 1.875"?
8 1/2 x 3 1/2 x 1 7/8

8. What is the dimension of the 15FET?
It's a couple of inches shorter compared to 18F.


Sorry for the so many questions - and really appreciate the time and assistance.

Best regards

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Post by shorza » Nov 20 2017 10:54pm

shorza wrote:
Nov 17 2017 10:20pm
Also, what is the single green and yellow wire for? Possibly a Bluetooth aerial? It doesn't have a terminal.
After speaking with Vad via email I can confirm that this is the Bluetooth antenna.
shorza wrote:
Nov 16 2017 9:08am
I'm not sure if this had been asked before or not, but how do I measure motor temp? My MXUS 3k has 1 white wire for a temp probe, but this controller has 2 wires.
He told me that the MXUS temp thermistor shares it's GND with the hall's GND. The motor needs to be opened and the thermistor's GND cut and swapped with a 5v line.
I did that and soldered it to the hall's positive (4.56v) and after hooking it up to the controller, the app is showing 94°c which is very wrong.
My guess is that the controller is expecting a different type of thermistor? I'm sure this could be fixed via a software update.
However I hooked up the thermistor straight to the controller's dedicated 5v line (4.97v) and it read 107°c.

What's the best way of me solving this?


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Post by shorza » Nov 21 2017 2:13am

Thanks for the reply. I look forward to the update.

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Post by tommy1212 » Jan 08 2018 8:53pm

I have a crown motor tc3080 which has a 10k ntc thermosistor. I'm having trouble wiring and getting a correct reading. I'm guessing the white wire is needed. Using the black wire from the halls connection is not working. Do I need to open the motor? Thought I read somewhere a separate ground isn't necessary. Also I'm using ca v3 and will ultimately have temp controlled thru it. Do pv controller have the ability to do this or just display temp? nothing in app settings...
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Nov 21 2017 1:03am
Right now, 10K NTC thermistors are supported. Linear thermistor support will be added via a software update.

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 08 2018 9:31pm

Support for temperature reading was added something in September last year.
All modules since then have two temperature inputs. One is wired to the controller to read mosfets and the other one is wired externally for motor or any other temperature sensor. if you have temperature input on your controller with two wires, try one wire at a time and see which one provides correct reading.
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Jan 08 2018 8:53pm
I have a crown motor tc3080 which has a 10k ntc thermosistor. I'm having trouble wiring and getting a correct reading. I'm guessing the white wire is needed. Using the black wire from the halls connection is not working. Do I need to open the motor? Thought I read somewhere a separate ground isn't necessary. Also I'm using ca v3 and will ultimately have temp controlled thru it. Do pv controller have the ability to do this or just display temp? nothing in app settings...
Thx TG
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Nov 21 2017 1:03am
Right now, 10K NTC thermistors are supported. Linear thermistor support will be added via a software update.

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Post by Papa » Jan 08 2018 10:05pm

I don't find the 6fets on your site. Is it still available? Specs?.. Price?

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Post by tommy1212 » Jan 09 2018 10:54am

Tried a few combinations but the reading stayed at 32 degrees. Tried going directly to ca as well but no luck getting a reading that's accurate. I am going to open up the motor and possibly add a wire for direct ground of the thermosistor. Will the pv controller limit power or does it only display temp?
Powervelocity.com wrote:
Jan 08 2018 9:31pm
Support for temperature reading was added something in September last year.
All modules since then have two temperature inputs. One is wired to the controller to read mosfets and the other one is wired externally for motor or any other temperature sensor. if you have temperature input on your controller with two wires, try one wire at a time and see which one provides correct reading.
tommy1212 wrote:
Jan 08 2018 8:53pm
I have a crown motor tc3080 which has a 10k ntc thermosistor. I'm having trouble wiring and getting a correct reading. I'm guessing the white wire is needed. Using the black wire from the halls connection is not working. Do I need to open the motor? Thought I read somewhere a separate ground isn't necessary. Also I'm using ca v3 and will ultimately have temp controlled thru it. Do pv controller have the ability to do this or just display temp? nothing in app settings...
Thx TG
Powervelocity.com wrote:
Nov 21 2017 1:03am
Right now, 10K NTC thermistors are supported. Linear thermistor support will be added via a software update.

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Post by tommy1212 » Jan 10 2018 7:21am

Ok so the thermosistor has three wires... red black and white. Positive ground and signal. Positive and ground are shared with The halls positive and ground. The controller has 2 wires for temp... purple and black. What is purple and black supposed to be wired to?

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Post by Powervelocity.com » Jan 10 2018 12:04pm

Most motors (pretty much all I've seen so far) have thermistors with two or even one wire coming out (usually white). The red and black wires don't need to be wired for the temperature readings specifically. They are for powering hall sensors. Now, thermistor are nothing more than resistors that change resistance with the temperature. That means they have two legs. One leg is often often hard wired to the ground. Therefore, all you need is the output from the second leg which is where the white wire is connected. You simply run that single white wire to the module temperature input. I think it would be the purple wire in your your case. In a nutshell, try to connect white from the motor to purple on the controller and see if you can get correct reading.

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Jan 10 2018 7:21am
Ok so the thermosistor has three wires... red black and white. Positive ground and signal. Positive and ground are shared with The halls positive and ground. The controller has 2 wires for temp... purple and black. What is purple and black supposed to be wired to?

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Post by tommy1212 » Jan 10 2018 7:46pm

Still no luck. I've attached a picture of the halls and thermosistor. Maybe I need to cut the positive wire and make sure only the two legs of the thermosistor are wired to white and black...? Seems to be a motor wiring issue and nothing to do with the controller. Btw so far I'm very happy with the controller and the app.... :D

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Post by tommy1212 » Jan 11 2018 8:41am

It's a crystalyte crown tc3080. Thanks for the link ordered and will be to me tomorrow. Seems like the easiest option even for the CA setup.
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Hmm, MXUS must have switched to a three leg thermistor. The quickest thing to make it work is just swap it with a 10K NTC thermistor.
Wire one leg to the ground and the other one to the Bluetooth temp input. Done.

This type will provide the best precision:

https://www.amazon.com/Uxcell-a14092200 ... istor+3435

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