Mid-Drive 80100 : my project !

ThierryGTLTS said:
Ecyclist said:
My reducer is already strong enough for 80mm motor, but I'm planning on a couple changes to make it better. At this point the ratio is 19:1. I machined it all excluding bearings and pins. I built other one that is 16:1.
You can visit my thread for details.

Yes, my reducer is based on the same principle, but is much better.
My reducer at no load is using about 100 W of power.
Tangent is using $700 Astro Flight ,very efficient motor, and is using at no load about 350 W.
This is a clear sign that something is wrong with Tangent. Can you guess what?

Obviously, you have technical skills and you should have no problems with building high quality and compact belt reducer.
The most important part for you will be to make it structurally rigid and running true.
I reworked GNG belt drive kit and have it still running strong on my wife's e-bike.
I'm looking forward to seeing your build developing.
Good luck.

Very interesting Ecyclist.

I plan to have the lowest possible losses for my project.

Rewound Maxon EC 90 flat + 12:1 Neugart reducer + 36/17 chain reducer draw only 600mA at 24V or about 15W with no load.

I wanna use the motor only to help in high slopes.

That will allow me to bring safe low weight battery packs.

Motor + reducers + ESC + Battery Weight = about 2.5kg.

Thierry
Thierry,
I'm assuming you are the dude from VEDDER forum who pointed me in the right direction a couple of times.
Maybe you can use one of these reducers for your project:
GAM 16:1 for $121
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GAM-Gear-Precision-16-1-Planetary-Gearbox-Gearhead-Servo-Reducer-P-N-730029/132216893574?hash=item1ec8bdb086:g:0ZQAAOSw-K9ZNZwM
or GAM 10:1 for $39
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gam-Gear-Epl-Series-Reducer-701662/282854525034?hash=item41db71886a:g:RiwAAOSwTO9aDJxs
The price is right.
Info: https://www.classe.cornell.edu/~dms79/D-lineNotes/components/GamWeb-GearCatalog.pdf
 
Hey Ecyclist, I try to find this kind of reducer (PLE, PLF, etc...) for C80100, but I never fund for Ø12 shaft C80100...
 
Matt_92 said:
Hey Ecyclist, I try to find this kind of reducer (PLE, PLF, etc...) for C80100, but I never fund for Ø12 shaft C80100...
I'm assuming that you are thinking about connecting a planetary reducer to the 80100 motor in series.
You don't want to do that and you don't want to buy that type of reducer brand new either.
Do you know why?
 
Can you explain why I should not go for that type of reducer ?
 
Matt_92 said:
Can you explain why I should not go for that type of reducer ?
No, that's not what I said. To the contrary, I posted the links to these reducers because they are good option for an e-bike.
Why do you need a reducer for 12 mm shaft? Is it to connect a reducer and the 80100 motor directly in series?
 
Ecyclist said:
Matt_92 said:
Can you explain why I should not go for that type of reducer ?
No, that's not what I said. To the contrary, I posted the links to these reducers because they are good option for an e-bike.
Why do you need a reducer for 12 mm shaft? Is it to connect a reducer and the 80100 motor directly in series?

Yes, this is what I wrote :

Matt_92 said:
Hey Ecyclist, I try to find this kind of reducer (PLE, PLF, etc...) for C80100, but I never fund for Ø12 shaft C80100...

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
I continued yesterday to brainstorm and I arrived to something not so bad for standard motor C80100-130kv :

-50km/h = 436 rpm at the wheel
-Derailleur chainring 11/42 stage : ratio = 3.81:1 = 114 rpm at crank
-Chainring belt/crank 14/42 stage : ratio = 1:3
-2nd stage belt 72/18 : ratio = 1:4
-1st stage belt 60/16 : ratio = 1:3.75
-TOTAL ratio : 3x4x3.75 = 1:45
-Motor rpm : 114x45 = 5130 rpm
-Losses 15% : 5130 + 15% = 5900 rpm
-kv : 5900rpm/44v = 134

Total additionnal mid drive weight : 4.9kg + batterie + controller

I arrive at a 134kv motor, so the C80100-130kv match with this configuration and pulleys (60t and 72t) stay standard parts :
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Looks awesome but are you planning on using a freewheel on the crank? Seems extremely dangerous to not use one. Thats a ton of torque if you become entangled in the crank as well as really easy to accidentally throttle and cause a pedal strike when turning.
 
DanGT86 said:
Looks awesome but are you planning on using a freewheel on the crank? Seems extremely dangerous to not use one. Thats a ton of torque if you become entangled in the crank as well as really easy to accidentally throttle and cause a pedal strike when turning.

Yes of course Dan, as I already wrote it before, I didn't find 3D model of freewheel and adapted crank... :mrgreen:
 
...let's talk my imagination for a powerfull and agressive 20" city bike, I like the idea :mrgreen: :
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Java CL20 (406)
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Connondale Hooligan
transmission-primaire_c80100_33B.jpg
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Java Freccia (451)
transmission-primaire_c80100_34B.jpg
 
...one more concept for folding bike 20" :
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Java Folding Bike 451
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..and its mid drive C80100
transmission-primaire_c80100_37B.jpg
 
Design is done, I'm going to start to buy commercial components.
I finally decided to do the second stage with 2 belts HTD5M 20mm width.
The torque starts to be awesome at this second stage if performing with peak 7000W.
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View attachment 2
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Question :

My bottom bracket is 68mm. If I add the 2 external brackets for the mid-drive (plate 3mm) : 68+3+3=74mm. I shall buy a BB 73mm ?
I plane to use an ISIS crankset with freewheel. Should I wait to receive cranset/freewheel to do a mesure and deduct by calcul the width of the BB ? ...or someone there has the experience to tell me sure : " buy a 118m BB ! or 128mm, or less, or more... ! "

Cheers
 
Most of the bottom brackets ive messed with have the same part number for 73mm and 68mm. They come with 3 2.5mm spacers. You use all three with 68mm gor a total of 7.5mm of spacing and only 1 for the 73mm.

Like this
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These might help being that they are width adjustable.
https://lunacycle.com/search.php?search_query=Bottom+bracket

Or these
http://www.cyclone-tw.com/Parts.html
 
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