FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Keithonline » Mar 12 2018 7:12pm

FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 10 2018 4:28am
Hi, all friends here!
I would like to have a short report about our bike come with 52V battery how it performs.
We have a test on flat road to compare 48V and 52V battery, how is the difference on the power of start and accelerate by throttle at a distance 80 m. 0 to start, by throttle only, in the smallest gear.
2 person have the test. One in 60KGS weight, another in 75KGS weight, results as below:

First person, in 60KGS, distance 80m,
48V battery: finish at 30.0km/h by 10.4 seconds.
52V battery: finish at 31.6km/h by 10.0 seconds.

Second person, in 75KGS, same distance.
48V battery: finish at 29.0km/h by 12.9 seconds.
52V battery: finsih at 30.0km/h by 12.4 seconds.

Obviously, 52V is more powerful than 48V battery.

Tomorrow, we will have some more test ride up to mountain. Will follow up more news about our test to you.
Below is 2018 AM1000 we are testing and supplying soon.
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Ivy-

Thanks for the report. I really like how you give feedback on your development work. Keep up the great work.

Regarding the battery, doesn’t your 48V actually have more cells total than the 52V?

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by tinasdude » Mar 13 2018 2:00pm

Frey you are killing me. Please make m600 500W in a hardtail first. 27.5. No odd wheels and tire sizes. That is a full suspension trail bike thing. Make sure the bike will fit a 3.0 tire. If you could make the hardtail just like the bafang bike and give us the same battery. If you cannot do the battery. Give us the same bafang frame so we can fit a bafang battery when they come. A stealthy hardtail is what many desire. Commute, rail trails, recreation, city transportation. The bafang hardtail is the ideal bike.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 14 2018 10:55am

We designed new sticker for 2018 AM1000 in 2 colors as below:
Wish you will like it!
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 14 2018 11:09am

We have some test riding recent days, the frame performs better now!
Below some photos for you have a look, and maybe few videos will be loaded up in coming days.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by hoojsn » Mar 14 2018 11:20am

FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 14 2018 10:55am
We designed new sticker for 2018 AM1000 in 2 colors as below:
Wish you will like it!
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Nice Colour, Ivy I saw an article in https://electricbike-blog.com/2018/03/1 ... t-battery/
Karl mentioned Bafang has a New Magnesium Body that is 3 Lbs lighter than the current stock. It maybe good if you can offer the lighter weight version in your G4 model.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by fechter » Mar 14 2018 2:00pm

That looks great. I like the 3" wide tires. Do a 4" fat tire someday.

OT: Just curious, In China, can you ride electric bikes anywhere regular bikes are allowed?
"One test is worth a thousand opinions"

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Cruncher123 » Mar 15 2018 2:28am

Integrated! None of these clumsy add-on batteries! Stop making ebikes look so damn obvious with batteries slapped on downtube like an afterthought. Look at the newest German/French emtbs. Beautifully concealed batteries - you can't tell they are ebikes at first glance.

Ideal emtb would look/ride like a top-name European emtb but with higher power motor and bigger battery (52v 20ah).

And angle the motor so it blends into the downtube.

150mm full suspension with 3 frame sizes. 29er version would be nice. Focus on elegant design. If you can produce something people will covet rather than settling for, you will sell a ton of bikes.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Animalector » Mar 15 2018 2:52am

the big issue here is cost... sure you can develop something fully integrated but it costs more, and therefore you've lost a large chunk of customers. There are two types customers - those who want a stealth ebike who will pay a lot (aka they will buy a Specialised or a focus or german / French bike) and those who want an affordable ebike who will have to settle with bottle downtube batteries.

I don't see a way to have both. Can you?

Andy

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by xcnick » Mar 15 2018 10:27am

I prefer Bottle cage batteries. I am not embarrassed of my ebikes, easily replaced batteries is a pleasure at any price. Batteries evolve faster than I replace bicycles, so I want forward compatibility.

Of course I am the idiot who wants a 24 inch wheel. I built a BBSHD on a kids (24) Kona downhill which was fantastic. It's only failing was it was 15 pounds too heavy for my wife. You have the ability to solve this problem with the new Bafang and custom frame.

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I would like to see your company innovate with a new product like this and then let the European manufactures try to steal some of YOUR market share. Build one for yourself and ride it around. This is one of the easiest BBSHD builds.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 16 2018 6:34am

Have never heard about a lighter Ultra from Bafang
hoojsn wrote:
Mar 14 2018 11:20am
FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 14 2018 10:55am
We designed new sticker for 2018 AM1000 in 2 colors as below:
Wish you will like it!
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IMG_20180314_171309.jpg
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Nice Colour, Ivy I saw an article in https://electricbike-blog.com/2018/03/1 ... t-battery/
Karl mentioned Bafang has a New Magnesium Body that is 3 Lbs lighter than the current stock. It maybe good if you can offer the lighter weight version in your G4 model.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by rumme » Mar 16 2018 6:35am

Animalector wrote:
Mar 15 2018 2:52am
the big issue here is cost... sure you can develop something fully integrated but it costs more, and therefore you've lost a large chunk of customers. There are two types customers - those who want a stealth ebike who will pay a lot (aka they will buy a Specialised or a focus or german / French bike) and those who want an affordable ebike who will have to settle with bottle downtube batteries.

I don't see a way to have both. Can you?

Andy
Integrated looks so much sleeker, but then it is proprietary and when it comes time to replace the battery pack, you must usually buy 1 specific special made battery , which costs more and can sometimes be discontinued due to newer designs.

IMHO, the best situation is a integrated battery which is sleek , has around 20 AHS of capacity, and design the battery case so it can easily be disassembles and the owner can replace individual cells that may go bad or replace all the cells and reuse the battery hardcase over again.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 16 2018 6:41am

We plan to make a fat bike version, we have made 2 samples. Will check the market demands quantity, then plan for production.
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Electric bicycle still not popular in most of place in China. So It seems no big problem ride ebike in the bicycle ways.
fechter wrote:
Mar 14 2018 2:00pm
That looks great. I like the 3" wide tires. Do a 4" fat tire someday.

OT: Just curious, In China, can you ride electric bikes anywhere regular bikes are allowed?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 16 2018 6:44am

Hi Keith,

52V 17.5AH come with 70 cells. 48V 21AH come with 78 cells. the battery can load 80 18650 cells max.
Keithonline wrote:
Mar 12 2018 7:12pm
FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 10 2018 4:28am
Hi, all friends here!
I would like to have a short report about our bike come with 52V battery how it performs.
We have a test on flat road to compare 48V and 52V battery, how is the difference on the power of start and accelerate by throttle at a distance 80 m. 0 to start, by throttle only, in the smallest gear.
2 person have the test. One in 60KGS weight, another in 75KGS weight, results as below:

First person, in 60KGS, distance 80m,
48V battery: finish at 30.0km/h by 10.4 seconds.
52V battery: finish at 31.6km/h by 10.0 seconds.

Second person, in 75KGS, same distance.
48V battery: finish at 29.0km/h by 12.9 seconds.
52V battery: finsih at 30.0km/h by 12.4 seconds.

Obviously, 52V is more powerful than 48V battery.

Tomorrow, we will have some more test ride up to mountain. Will follow up more news about our test to you.
Below is 2018 AM1000 we are testing and supplying soon.
QQ图片20180310171530.jpg

Ivy-

Thanks for the report. I really like how you give feedback on your development work. Keep up the great work.

Regarding the battery, doesn’t your 48V actually have more cells total than the 52V?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 16 2018 6:46am

Share a picture made by a photo below, how do you think about it?
Not confident in English. Any good advice on the words?
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 16 2018 6:56am

Hi Uli,

For IGH, it will cost us some effect and time to make it reality if there are some demands on it.
We have contacted with the German supplier earlier, they require us to make a 3D drop out file for them confirmation what and how they can supply the parts for our bike.
LUMOcustom wrote:
Mar 14 2018 11:50pm
G'day,
As I'm still very interested in this bike, but want it with an IGH I have a question to you guys who follow this thread here.
- Is it only me who would pay the extra $ for a Rohlof IGH?
- Are there possibly any other options of IGHs for this bike?

I ask this to get an indication if it would make sense for Frey to buy a handful of above IGHs for customers like me who don't want a derailleur. If enough people would be interested, Ivy would surely make it possible!

As we have seen on this thread before Frey is very interested what we - the customer - want. And I really want this bike with an IGH! Even if it's heavier, it is much more durable than any derailleur! That only can be good!

Furthermore I am interested to see if there are other people in Aotearoa interested in this bike as we might be able to ship them together and save a lot of money in shipping costs. Ivy indicated that sea shipping only makes sense for 3+ bikes as shipping would be charged by m3.

And my last question is, are the Wattwheel bikes produced by Frey. Have seen one today and bike looks very similar to Frey AM1000, just with inferior parts. But will give them a call in the next couple of weeks to see what is what...

Thanks in advance


Kind regards

Uli

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by hoojsn » Mar 16 2018 8:26am

FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 16 2018 6:34am
Have never heard about a lighter Ultra from Bafang

Did you read the article I enclosed in the Link and contact Bafang? The Ultra Max Magnesium Body was for Luna Cycle, if they can have it, I am wondering why Frey couldn't get it. It is a matter of time other potential customer will ask for it as 3 lbs make quite a lot of difference on the Ebike weight.
hoojsn wrote:
Mar 14 2018 11:20am
FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 14 2018 10:55am
We designed new sticker for 2018 AM1000 in 2 colors as below:
Wish you will like it!
IMG_20180314_171246.jpg
IMG_20180314_171309.jpg
IMG_20180314_171922.jpg
IMG_20180314_171939.jpg
IMG_20180314_174133.jpg
IMG_20180314_174224.jpg
IMG_20180314_173755.jpg
IMG_20180314_173809.jpg
Nice Colour, Ivy I saw an article in https://electricbike-blog.com/2018/03/1 ... t-battery/
Karl mentioned Bafang has a New Magnesium Body that is 3 Lbs lighter than the current stock. It maybe good if you can offer the lighter weight version in your G4 model.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by woggs1 » Mar 17 2018 1:39am

FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 16 2018 6:46am
Share a picture made by a photo below, how do you think about it?
Not confident in English. Any good advice on the words?
微信图片_20180316193027.jpg
"The brave, forge ahead.... meet the unknown self!"

I am going to have to suggest a big no on that, in fact PLEASE no!! Unknown self? Something must be lost is the translation to English.

How about "Bravely forging ahead, into adventures unknown" or "Bravely blazing new paths into limitless adventure" or "Blazing new roads into amazing adventures". I kind of like the first one myself. Anyone else?

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Animalector » Mar 17 2018 2:43am

I think " The Brave, forge ahead. Discover yourself"

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Johne-bike » Mar 17 2018 3:48am

FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 16 2018 6:46am
Share a picture made by a photo below, how do you think about it?
Not confident in English. Any good advice on the words?
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Thank you Ivey for involving this community once more..!
I agree that whilst I understand what you are getting at with your strap line, it does not translate well into English..
I have an alternative idea, aiming to reinforce the superb dynamics of the AM 1000, and challenging any rider to find their limits riding this bike.. Maybe something more to kick around the forum..!
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Johne-bike » Mar 17 2018 4:01am

FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 16 2018 6:41am
We plan to make a fat bike version, we have made 2 samples. Will check the market demands quantity, then plan for production.
微信图片_20180314131507.jpg

Electric bicycle still not popular in most of place in China. So It seems no big problem ride ebike in the bicycle ways.
fechter wrote:
Mar 14 2018 2:00pm
That looks great. I like the 3" wide tires. Do a 4" fat tire someday.

OT: Just curious, In China, can you ride electric bikes anywhere regular bikes are allowed?
Personally, I would choose the Fat Bike version, with the 52v battery pack.. And then look to make a "Luna Ludicrous" style of controller upgrade to allow 2500w peak, which I'm certain would be awesome on the AM1000..!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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DaninSpain wrote:
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Awesome!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Mar 17 2018 11:08pm

Johne-bike wrote:
Mar 17 2018 3:48am
FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 16 2018 6:46am
Share a picture made by a photo below, how do you think about it?
Not confident in English. Any good advice on the words?
微信图片_20180316193027.jpg
Thank you Ivey for involving this community once more..!
I agree that whilst I understand what you are getting at with your strap line, it does not translate well into English..
I have an alternative idea, aiming to reinforce the superb dynamics of the AM 1000, and challenging any rider to find their limits riding this bike.. Maybe something more to kick around the forum..!

IMG_20180317_151549_435.jpg
I like that one!

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Drop Dead Fred » Mar 17 2018 11:14pm

FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 11 2018 2:41am
News from FREY: We have ordered a m500 set to make sample bike firstly. The motor should be deliveried in early April replied from Bafang, Now we are have good experience on the full suspension construction design and buliding. Still thinking about what type battery tube and battery case fit for the new model come with m500/600.
Ivy, here is a frame with battery in it that is currently selling not sure if it is a design that you could look into but it looks real similar to the Bafang release frame system with integrated battery?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 16f0jJ55fK
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by FREYebikes » Mar 18 2018 8:51am

Thank you for your advice. :D
woggs1 wrote:
Mar 17 2018 1:39am
FREYebikes wrote:
Mar 16 2018 6:46am
Share a picture made by a photo below, how do you think about it?
Not confident in English. Any good advice on the words?
微信图片_20180316193027.jpg
"The brave, forge ahead.... meet the unknown self!"

I am going to have to suggest a big no on that, in fact PLEASE no!! Unknown self? Something must be lost is the translation to English.

How about "Bravely forging ahead, into adventures unknown" or "Bravely blazing new paths into limitless adventure" or "Blazing new roads into amazing adventures". I kind of like the first one myself. Anyone else?

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