FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by tinasdude » May 12 2018 7:10pm

Frey, how many amps is the m600W 500W motor. Also please make it 52v compatable. Many of us already have 52v batteries.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Cruncher123 » May 18 2018 9:53pm

@Frey

Please don't bother with a non-integated battery or a 36v system. It wil be obsolete as soon as it is released- look at the direction the market is going - higher capacity batteries (Bulls offers 600w fully integrated Brose E-Stream system, BH EasyMotion is offering 720w fully integrated w/21700 cells on their Atom X Lynx/Brose line and of course the Bosch 500w powertube that some allow to add second battery for more range, etc).

Focus on becoming a manufacturer that offers a top-notch bike that undercuts on price. If I were you, I'd buy a Specialized Turbo Levo (or Merida/Moustache etc) and do my best to copy it, but adding a bigger motor and at least a 600-700w 48v battery. Figure out this and you will see a large demand!

Otherwise, don't bother as you will be stuck competing against all the rest of the Chinese companies selling the same/similar second-tier product. Why build a bike that will soon be obsolete and that can only be sold on price?

Do not focus on Euro specs, as few outside the European Union will buy it. The Europeans already have many choices for low-power bikes anyway. Frankly, the only reason why we know about Frey is because you offer a decently-spec'ed 48v 1000w Ultra full suspension emtb, of which there are very few competitors.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by rumme » May 19 2018 11:57am

I agree with the above post for the most part. If you can manufacture a nice looking mid drive ebike with decent components and allow it to have 1000 watts power { or more with a dual switch to EASILY choose on road riding and off road riding...dont make it programmable where the owner has to hook it up to a laptop or some app } with a 48 volt/ 18-28 AH battery capable of 30-40 amp burst output, and sell it for $2999 or less DELIVERED, then you will have something your competitors have not been able to provide to the ebike market so far.

IMHO, this new ebike, does not need to have alot of gearing options. Stick to a simple 7 speed gearing setup , offer it in at least 2 or 3 frame sizes , 2 or 3 color options , with tubeless 2-3" wide tires , 10-12 gauge spokes , and a handlebar that is nicely adjustable forward and backwards and in height, to adjust for riders different riding styles.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by 999zip999 » May 19 2018 3:33pm

10ga spokes need a moped rim and not a bicycle rim. So you want a moto rim.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by dalysea » May 24 2018 4:27pm

rumme wrote:
Mar 16 2018 6:35am

Integrated looks so much sleeker, but then it is proprietary and when it comes time to replace the battery pack, you must usually buy 1 specific special made battery , which costs more and can sometimes be discontinued due to newer designs.

IMHO, the best situation is a integrated battery which is sleek , has around 20 AHS of capacity, and design the battery case so it can easily be disassembles and the owner can replace individual cells that may go bad or replace all the cells and reuse the battery hardcase over again.
This is an interesting idea that Ivy and I discussed when she was here in Monterey. There is an inherent tradeoff between the stealth and sleek appearance of an integrated battery and on the other side having as sturdy a frame as possible, the ability to use non-proprietary batteries, and the option to have a larger battery for longer trips.

But what you talk about here I think is a good solution.
1. You start with a sturdy frame that can actually be used on rough downhills.
2. A portion of the tube allows for an integrated, lightweight battery for the stealth folks and the short trip folks.
3. Because the integration of the battery case within the frame is proprietary, you make the top side of the battery case removable.
4. This allows you to a) replace the internal battery pack as needed without replacing the whole case and b) put an extended battery pack inside the proprietary case for longer trips.

Essentially a battery similar to what you use on the AM1000, but shallower so you have more frame sturdiness AND more stealth, but then with a removable top piece that can be swapped out with an expansion piece to allow a larger battery pack inside:
(Basically you are de-coupling the battery "shell" that attaches/locks to the frame and protects the battery pack inside from the battery pack itself which are the cells and BMS all heat-shrinked together inside the case. That way you can have two battery packs and only one configurable battery case. Is this better than having two completely separate batteries? I tend to think so, but I build my own battery packs, so obviously it would be significant savings for DIYers like me.)

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by leelorr » May 24 2018 6:12pm

I like your idea a lot, but I do want to point out that with TWO of the smaller batteries, the bike stays stealthy even on a long ride because you can carry the second battery somewhere other than on the frame, and just swap the batteries when you need to. I guess with your idea an owner could decide whether to buy two of the smaller batteries, or one small battery AND the larger battery. Choices, I like it!

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by romagjack » May 26 2018 11:51am

I'd like something like this with a rohloff and throttle!

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by romagjack » May 29 2018 2:15pm

The Enviolo sportive IGH would also be great and more affordable for an M600.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by FREYebikes » Jun 14 2018 3:52am

Good news to all who focus on our M500/600 new model.
We have developed out and testing sample bike now. it performs well as expect, easy to drive and operate when riding outdoor.
A shorter chain stay, and shorter head tube with a specal design shape integrated with frame body shape. No cable go outside.
With torque sensor PAS and throttle available for both M500/600 system.
The whole bike weight is 25.7KGS. this sample bike is M size.
Following some photos for you have a look.
Detailed specs and price will come out in coming week. and we will start to arrange production for this model very soon.
Welcome any of your question, advice and inquiry by email to me: sales@frey.bike
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Post by FREYebikes » Jun 14 2018 4:03am

Hi friends!
A news to share with you here!
We are having a new FS bike come with Bafang M500/600 system for who want to get a lighter mountain bike.
You can have a look at
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And any of your commends, inquiry are welcome!

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Drum » Jun 14 2018 4:22am

Looks great! Would love to take one for a test ride, and will be very interested to see the final specifications.

Just make sure the battery is really well supported and locked into position.. if the bike is as capable as it should be with that geometry and those components, it will be ridden hard and the forces on the battery will be very large.

Good luck with it!
Dave

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by trooper5707 » Jun 14 2018 7:21am

Wow! That is gorgeous!
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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by leelorr » Jun 14 2018 10:38am

Beautiful bike!
Will it be available in the aluminum finish as in the photo?

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by harald » Jun 15 2018 4:03am

Are @Frey considering a FAT-version of this? 26x4 Jumbo Jims. I like that you are trying to find a balanced model between features/quality and price.

I very much like the Hailong-package because it's almost a standard. I can go to the local buy-everything store and get a battery-pack over the counter. As a side-note, someone should start selling the mounting brackets for Hailong-packs.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by 18650 » Jun 15 2018 11:08am

@ Frey, according to Bafang, the M600 system has the DP C230.CAN display?

http://www.bafang-e.com/en/components/c ... 30can.html
I think the C230 would look nicer than the one on your prototype bike.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by dalysea » Jun 15 2018 1:00pm

Either way, I'm glad to see more stealthy displays coming out! Very cool...

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by Cruncher123 » Jun 15 2018 11:14pm

Nice, but could/should be nicer. Battery integration needs more work at both top and bottom of battery. I thought the battery was going to be more hidden (like higher-end Euro designs)?

I like you rotated the motor to gain more bb clearance, but it could be nicer implementation (why not rotate the motor a bit more and make it flush with the downtube rather than leave a few cm edge?)

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by FREYebikes » Jun 18 2018 6:16am

About the motor angle, that's the best suitable position to fit for the motor and the whole bike according to our design and experience.
Cruncher123 wrote:
Jun 15 2018 11:14pm
Nice, but could/should be nicer. Battery integration needs more work at both top and bottom of battery. I thought the battery was going to be more hidden (like higher-end Euro designs)?

I like you rotated the motor to gain more bb clearance, but it could be nicer implementation (why not rotate the motor a bit more and make it flush with the downtube rather than leave a few cm edge?)

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by FREYebikes » Jun 18 2018 6:35am

About battery solution, we found the Hailong battery pack is still a good choice after considerating all kinds of factors.
The battery pack has a better support now, not only several screws.
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The battery make the whole bike has a lower center of gravity to make the bike has more fun and easy to control by the rider. we think if come with a hidden battery inside of down tube, the center of gravity will be some higher and the performance will be some different.

We tested the bike come with M500 system, although it's only 250W, but full of fun when riding it, many tester would love to play it longer instead of get off from the bike.
Upload a little video for you to have a look following:
https://youtu.be/Uix7aYxiXmU

And We expect to test the bike with M600 motor after several days. we think it will perform even better.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by eBikeQuest » Jun 19 2018 6:17pm

Since you will be using the Hailong battery on the M600 version, will you be offering a 52v battery option?

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by romagjack » Jun 20 2018 4:40pm

Yes, M600 with lots of options for an all purpose (commuter/light trail bike. (rack, lights, enviolo "Nu Vinci", 2.4 -2.8 all purpose tires). You have a winner.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by LowkeeRider » Jun 21 2018 1:14am

@Frey, are you going to have the downtube battery option too? I want a stealth ebike.

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Re: FREY eMTB with Bafang m600 is developing with your ideas!

Post by tinasdude » Jun 23 2018 6:52pm

I agree about the stealth battery. That was one of the primary things that interested me in the bike.

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