Aebrennan
100 W
3DTOPO said:
Order a bike from the site and we will see...
I was promised a sample FOC controller in January for testing and still haven’t received it.
Good luck!
Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike
- Thread starter Allex
- Start date
Order a bike from the site and we will see...
I was promised a sample FOC controller in January for testing and still haven’t received it.
Good luck!
Aebrennan
100 W
3DTOPO said:
I am as surprised as you are!
NOT
Rix
100 TW
I am very surprised. Normally improvements and upgrades are measured in years to come, not batches of shipping product with in the same year. Even if the X model doesn't come out for several more months, look at how far things have come since the first batch. I am impressed.
I know someone else who was too. He was supposed to provide real world rider/dealer R&D feed back on the new controller. Hasn't gotten it yet.
I was thinking that as well.
I know someone else who was too. He was supposed to provide real world rider/dealer R&D feed back on the new controller. Hasn't gotten it yet.
Aebrennan
100 W
I just try to share facts from experience but I see most forum members prefer to dream.
3DTOPO
1 kW
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2018
- Messages
- 499
Aebrennan said:
No need to get snide. I said I appreciated your insight - but with a shipping date set, I expect them to ship closer to the planned date than months after.
Rix said:
With a ship date set, I would attribute that to more to them being a relatively small company than the hardware being vaporware.
Hyena
10 GW
Yes most likely just field weakening as the others have said. It's well documented you can make a motor spin much faster with the same input voltage and current with field weakening. The rest I suspect would be as Rix said - bigger sprocket for more punch and the field weakening up that top speed. The BMS/battery could be exactly the same. I'd be surprised if the BMS mods are anything more than the equivalent of adding in another shunt like we used to do in the old days to get more power from controllers. If they're not changing the cells that's really all that's needed.racingame said:
What guarantee is a set shipping date though, really ? As someone who's semi-patiently waiting in line for a model 3, I've learned not to treat declared shipping dates as gospel. And after years of dealing with the Chinese you can divide your expectations by at least 2!3DTOPO said:
As Rix said Surron are already better than many other companies for the rate at which they are making these changes. Even confirming they'll implement just about every single thing we asked for after we first started riding these bikes is pretty damn good. I think Adam is right that the marketing hype is ahead of what the factory can actually ship. Everyone is keen on the road going light bee but don't forget the white ghost was announced as 'coming soon' before the bee was in production, and there's still not even a sample of the ghost ready to be shipped yet! (which is a bummer because I'm really keen to see/ride one! )
macribs
10 MW
- Joined
- Jul 22, 2014
- Messages
- 3,702
Rix said:
Yeah I did see the other upgrades and I agree those where nice ones. Reason I asked about the battery is that there was nothing of substance on the battery. If they would have said the new pack got 15% higher C rate, or 12% more range or 20% higher voltage it would be easier to grasp. Rather they used some wage term like "imported batteries". Well that term does not quantify improvements nor gives any baseline for calculating upgrade costs.
I asked about the battery because hotrodding sur ron might take you to the limit of the battery pack. And as with any e-bike the battery pack is the single most expensive part. So knowing what kind of improvements that are done to the pack is of high importance in my eyes.
If sur ron keeps upgrading, and keep pushing this hard we might be looking on the next huawei/xiaomi/1+ of the e-bike world. And I mean that in the best possible way. Sur Ron could be changing the business and the world of e-bikes. They will be true rock stars of the industry.
3DTOPO
1 kW
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2018
- Messages
- 499
Hyena said:
I think I was the first one to mention field weakening in this thread (end of page 35).
The reason why I suspect it has a new BMS is from the following according to Sur-Ron. BTW: is it pronounced Sir-Ron or Sure-Ron??
I did not at all mean to imply the ship date is guaranteed. I could certainly be wrong, but I think they will make their delivery date within weeks of the date set, opposed to months.
Congrats on the Tesla! I hope my next vehicle is a Tesla; but I really need more ground clearance than they currently offer. Anyhow; when you place a pre-order for the Model 3, I assume the estimated ship date was what, a year out? The longer the ship date is in the future, I would think the more uncertainty. With the Light Bee X, they are estimating the ship date to be less than a month out.
In any event; as you and others have mentioned, its a very exciting announcement, even if the ship date slips. In the meantime, I am perfectly happy with my ride. I'll just wait as needed before I order a second one.
Allex
100 MW
I will get my FOC controllers from the factory next week(if they did not forgot to pack them in), will test them out for sure!
What Ghost is delayed because they will do a complete redesign of the powertrain and this prolly means the chassis as well. This because they thought it was underpowered.
Jay, its good that model 3 is delayed, that car is shit anyway with all its flaws :wink:
What Ghost is delayed because they will do a complete redesign of the powertrain and this prolly means the chassis as well. This because they thought it was underpowered.
Jay, its good that model 3 is delayed, that car is shit anyway with all its flaws :wink:
Allex said:
I drove my friend to pick up his Model 3 and the car was flawless. We crawled all over it looking for problems, but couldn't find any.
But, I agree. The longer you wait, the more improvements they make! They just upgraded the suspension and rear seats...
Rix
100 TW
n2mb said:
I think Allex was being facetious.
Rix
100 TW
Allex said:
Thats funny, you were the one I was referencing. Didn't want to say it out loud.
Artisanstone
I am going out on a limb here and bet that the power to weight ratio with your 9 year old boy at the handlebars is very high.
artisanstone
10 W
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2018
- Messages
- 80
Rix said:
It is I'm sure. He has good throttle control and some pretty good respect for it. He's been slowly ramping up. I can hear the wheelspins and motor sound increasing. He's a good mix of cautious and confident.
Rix
100 TW
n2mb said:
Its okay, if I didn't know Allex, I would think the same.
Rix
100 TW
And that makes for a smart and fast rider. Any idea if your son will race MCs down the road?
Alex Imreh
100 W
About size, i measured my DRZ400SM it is around 210long, i tried to search wheelbase of KTM, Yamaha WR enduro bikes to compare with little SurRon.
Alex Imreh said:
Interesting. Does it seem like a small bike? I compared the measurements to my mountain bike, and it seems significantly larger. About 6 feet long and higher than the mountain bike.
Do you think it would be out of place parking it at a bike rack?
Rix
100 TW
Alex Imreh said:
This bike is almost identical in size to the Honda CRF150F, except it don't weigh 238 pounds, more like 100-110 pounds or so.
Rix
100 TW
n2mb said:
The only way these machines wont stand out at a bike rack is if there are other Sur-Rons at the bike rack. These machines are real attention getters. I get questioned and sometimes asked to stop when I haul my bike some where on the hitch hauler.
scrambler
10 kW
Dext3r said:
Same as the vector Vortex
http://www.vectorebike.com/bikes/vortex.html
