Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

scrambler said:
Dext3r said:
Annyone take a look at this bike?
http://ekrossbikes.com/catalog/e-kross-pozitive-md/

Same as the vector Vortex
http://www.vectorebike.com/bikes/vortex.html
Ty
Looks like zero also made a similar bike buth is was brushed and way heavier (also out of production)
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-mx/2012/specs.php
 
Rix said:
It is I'm sure. He has good throttle control and some pretty good respect for it. He's been slowly ramping up. I can hear the wheelspins and motor sound increasing. He's a good mix of cautious and confident.

And that makes for a smart and fast rider. Any idea if your son will race MCs down the road?

I don't know. It's a spendy sport and fairly dangerous to boot. I could see competing in trials or something like that.
 
Dext3r said:
scrambler said:
Dext3r said:
Annyone take a look at this bike?
http://ekrossbikes.com/catalog/e-kross-pozitive-md/

Same as the vector Vortex
http://www.vectorebike.com/bikes/vortex.html
Ty
Looks like zero also made a similar bike buth is was brushed and way heavier (also out of production)
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-mx/2012/specs.php
Zero is a completely different category, these are actual full fledge motorcycles, registered as such, much more power, but much more weight.
 
Are there any other ebikes, escooters or electric mopeds with this kind of power and price that have a VIN number? I haven't found anything.
 
n2mb said:
Are there any other ebikes, escooters or electric mopeds with this kind of power and price that have a VIN number? I haven't found anything.

Homologation is the biggest issue with all these new ebikes, but we are finally seeing some of the manufacturer making a move in that direction which is nice.

LMX
https://www.lmxbikes.com/en/full-lmx-bike/88-lmx-161-moto-freeride.html

or bultaco brinco come to mind.
 
L1e Homologation is nice, but I really don't like to limit the power of a motor. I wish they did A1 homologation for enjoying unleashed 11kW beasts legally. :roll:
 
racingame said:
L1e Homologation is nice, but I really don't like to limit the power of a motor. I wish they did A1 homologation for enjoying unleashed 11kW beasts legally. :roll:

That would indeed be nice, but this is a whole lot more complicated and expensive to do, so likely much further down the line :)
 
n2mb said:
Are there any other ebikes, escooters or electric mopeds with this kind of power and price that have a VIN number? I haven't found anything.

They couldnt register them before
http://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulations/nieuws/2018/05/eu-confirms-registration-e-bike-imports-provisional-dumping-duties-coming-10133672
 
n2mb said:
Are there any other ebikes, escooters or electric mopeds with this kind of power and price that have a VIN number? I haven't found anything.

I just got confirmation from Denzel Electric that all of their bikes after July 2018 will have a VIN number and come with a Certificate of Origin. Now depending on your states this may be enough to get it registered. I know in LA these bikes would most likely be classified as a Motor Driven Cycle as they produce under 5HP.
 
Dext3r said:
n2mb said:
Are there any other ebikes, escooters or electric mopeds with this kind of power and price that have a VIN number? I haven't found anything.

They couldnt register them before
http://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulations/nieuws/2018/05/eu-confirms-registration-e-bike-imports-provisional-dumping-duties-coming-10133672

"Retroactive anti Dumping duties...."
Does not sound good for you guys in Europe :)
 
Anti-dumping should apply only to electric bicycles (e-bikes), not e-motos and e-scooters.
 
Yes that’s clear , but existing model of off road light bee is certified as electric bicycle so EEC importers risk the penalty of upto 189% anti dumping duty being applied retrospectively to all imports from last month. EU madness how can you run an import business with this strong risk in the background. It can bankrupt even a strong established distributor overnight. Only option is to only import the homologation l1e version https://imgur.com/gallery/658TKaP

http://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulat...e-collection-sky-high-dumping-duties-10133806
 
scrambler said:
Dext3r said:
n2mb said:
Are there any other ebikes, escooters or electric mopeds with this kind of power and price that have a VIN number? I haven't found anything.

They couldnt register them before
http://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulations/nieuws/2018/05/eu-confirms-registration-e-bike-imports-provisional-dumping-duties-coming-10133672

"Retroactive anti Dumping duties...."
Does not sound good for you guys in Europe :)

In belguim you can get a discount off 750 euro for an e-scooter. :p
 
urbanmoto said:
Yes that’s clear , but existing model of off road light bee is certified as electric bicycle [...].
Any proof of that? A site where you can check under what category was a vehicle registered in EU?

Anyway, if what you are stating is true, that would explain why a lot of dealers in EU decided to just sell the homologated version. The risk of antidumping bringing your business on its knees must be really frightening.
 
Just hooked one up, at first it felt like riding without power(without throttle), motor is siiilent, you usually hear a distinct electrical cogging/buzzing coming from the motor, with this box you only hear the rattling from the chain and whining from the belt.
And yep, I think I feel more power now! But need to do the same hill torture test and add a clamp meter on the battery positive to get a reading.
 
Allex said:
Just hooked one up, at first it felt like riding without power(without throttle), motor is siiilent, you usually hear a distinct electrical cogging/buzzing coming from the motor, with this box you only hear the rattling from the chain and whining from the belt.
And yep, I think I feel more power now! But need to do the same hill torture test and add a clamp meter on the battery positive to get a reading.

Nice!

To really gain the benefit of more power due to field weakening, won't you have to gear it down? What size rear sprocket are you running?

Could you tell us how much they cost you?
 
I run stock drive train and yeah best is to gear down if you have FW. I dont have the prices yet as these were just samples, and not even sure if the final version will have the same settings. I think they will be worth every penny if you ask me. My guess is around 200-250USD?
Here is a video, you can definitely hear the difference when going slow. During fast runs you will not notice the difference.
[youtube]jkRZ9pHVrRM[/youtube]
 
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32016R1036&rid=1

Beware The manufacturers plate on the off road light bee is clearly falling under this category, up to 189% anti dumping retrospective penalties possible and all units imported to the EEC now have to be registered with customs on a special register.
I also heard that off road light bee has no Ce mark on the bike so on this point alone it’s illegal to sell in EEC ! Any one know any different?
 
urbanmoto said:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32016R1036&rid=1

Beware The manufacturers plate on the off road light bee is clearly falling under this category, up to 189% anti dumping retrospective penalties possible and all units imported to the EEC now have to be registered with customs on a special register.
I also heard that off road light bee has no Ce mark on the bike so on this point alone it’s illegal to sell in EEC ! Any one know any different?

At least there is https://leva-eu.com/about/ :mrgreen: going against the lobbying of EBMA

The off road version itself does not need a COC because its a non road vehicle. Been still an offroad "machine" it does need to meet the machine safety requirements. (race machines dont)
 
I asked for a quote directly to SUR-RON not too long ago, I remember the FOC sinwave controller came for an extra 120$. They also told me the homologated version mounts it by default, together with DNM fork. I'm not sure if you can actually change some parts on that version or if you have to keep it like that because those were the components used when it was registered for L1e homologation in EU.

urbanmoto said:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32016R1036&rid=1

Beware The manufacturers plate on the off road light bee is clearly falling under this category, up to 189% anti dumping retrospective penalties possible and all units imported to the EEC now have to be registered with customs on a special register.
I also heard that off road light bee has no Ce mark on the bike so on this point alone it’s illegal to sell in EEC ! Any one know any different?

I don't get it. You are basically saying that any dealer who sold non-homologated Light Bee in EU did an illegal action?
 
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