My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Beart13 » Aug 07 2018 3:31pm

Very Nice!

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Post by TOLM » Aug 07 2018 4:57pm

Marmalade wrote:
Aug 07 2018 7:48am
..still waiting for the battery..seems to be lost!. In the meantime, I designed & cut some stickers to make it less...meh.

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Post by Tom L » Aug 08 2018 12:21am

Frey seem to be having trouble with their email again:

The response was:

550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable or not local.

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Post by garyal1 » Aug 08 2018 8:41am

I sent Julie and email two days ago to Sales@frey.com and I got a response today. :D

In my experience in dealing in China for 20 years, this is a good response time!

This is due to the time difference combined with what time of day you send your emails.
If you send them early in the evening you should get a response within two days.

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Post by Tom L » Aug 08 2018 8:47am

I replied to a message from Ivy about 5 minutes after I got it today (same address) and received the bounce response above. I was only thanking her for her after sales support so nothing urgent but they have had email trouble before. Thought this would be a good way to alert them.

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Post by dalysea » Aug 08 2018 1:41pm

Tasmania is only 2 hours time difference from Jinhua.

Probably Frey's receiving SMTP server, but you could try a test email from another email account just to eliminate your outbound SMTP server as a variable.

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Post by FREYebikes » Aug 08 2018 9:19pm

Hi Tom,

Our email works well now.
We just upgrade our email security yesterday night.
Anyone who sent email failed earlier please send again. we can receive it.

Tom L wrote:
Aug 08 2018 12:21am
Frey seem to be having trouble with their email again:

The response was:

550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable or not local.

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Post by FREYebikes » Aug 08 2018 9:26pm

Hi,

Thank you! it looks so good! I think we can also use white decal later.
Marmalade wrote:
Aug 07 2018 7:48am
..still waiting for the battery..seems to be lost!. In the meantime, I designed & cut some stickers to make it less...meh.

IMG_3460_1.jpg

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Post by FREYebikes » Aug 08 2018 9:48pm

Hi Gary,

we can arrange the charging connector for you if you want. I got your email earlier but just a little busy and replied you a little late.
garyal1 wrote:
Aug 08 2018 8:41am
I sent Julie and email two days ago to Sales@frey.com and I got a response today. :D

In my experience in dealing in China for 20 years, this is a good response time!

This is due to the time difference combined with what time of day you send your emails.
If you send them early in the evening you should get a response within two days.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Cruncher123 » Aug 08 2018 11:17pm

Richard N wrote:
Aug 05 2018 4:34pm
Ivanovitch_k wrote:
Aug 05 2018 4:18am
Richard N wrote:
Aug 04 2018 10:40pm
The charger plug looks like a 3 pin Mini-DIN, but without the square center post. Do they come without that post? Can you rid yourself of
it's not DIN. The closest match I have found is GX-16 3-pins.

However, the stock cable is Reention-branded (the mfg. of the battery case), and It looks like the individual pin diameter is smaller than the GX.

Anyhow, Ivy is able to sell the spare charge cables. As well as the discharge plug & sockets.

I made an 3pin XLR to reention GX to use the satiator, works fine.
I am very impressed with both Frey and Ivy! First rate communication for what must be an endless stream of questions.
I wasn't impressed and was disappointed and frustrated. My bike was supposed to be polished aluminum. Came flat black. Was supposed to have SRAM EX1 installed. Still haven"t got the groupset, but I see someone just got one delivered with SRAM recently? Ivy said none were available 6 weeks ago and wouldn't ship until Aug 20 a few days ago, so somebody's fibbing.

Lots of miscommunications despite my best efforts to pin things down and ask for updates via multiple messages. It was also delivered a few weeks later than promised. All-in-all, plenty of needless issues arose due to poor communication and/or language barrier.

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Post by nataS@phnet.fi » Aug 09 2018 2:21am

For me it was also impossible to find suitable charge head so I cut the wire from original charger and put male and female XLR:s to wire so I can use the same wire on both chargers.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by trooper5707 » Aug 09 2018 8:30am

My bike arrived Monday night - the box was very damaged, but all seemed OK with the bike. Mine was also supposed to be an EX1 set, but Ivy said they will ship later when they arrive. My battery (21AH) was in the box with a charger separately. I ordered front and rear lighting and both were installed and operational off the switch.

Put it together, charged it, and took it for a ride. AMAZING ride, so much faster and smoother than my 750W Rad Rover. LOVE the full suspension, so plush and comfortable. Found a stretch and it very quickly hit 36MPH and still had a little left.

My previous ebike experience was hub motors, and I did not shift much except when needing to go up a hill, etc. For my riding I had mostly left it in the high gears, and I approached a stop light and decided to down shift to 1st an accelerate off the light using the gears. As soon as I shifted down the rear tire locked up and skidded to a stop. I looked to find the rear derailer snapped totally off. All I can assume is that it was bent in shipping and impacted the spokes when I went to first. I want to ride it, so I'll replace with another cheap one for now and upgrade to EX1 when it arrives.

I also plan this to be mostly an urban cruiser, so I will prob swap to smoother tires, add fenders, bigger seat, and rear rack as well.

Look forward to getting it repaired and ride some more!
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Post by Richard N » Aug 09 2018 8:58am

I wonder if that was done in shipping or if Customs tore into it, who was the carrier that delivered it?

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Post by 18650 » Aug 09 2018 9:08am

Hi trooper5707,
maybe the same issue as described in this post?
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=91035&p=1382410&hi ... t#p1382410

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Post by trooper5707 » Aug 09 2018 9:13am

Richard N wrote:
Aug 09 2018 8:58am
I wonder if that was done in shipping or if Customs tore into it, who was the carrier that delivered it?
Fed Ex to my house - the driver said was like that when he got it, was taping it up all day.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Aug 09 2018 9:23am

weak shipping packages & transit damages were reported since the first bikes deliveries on this thread...

@frey, use stronger carboard boxes !
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by trooper5707 » Aug 09 2018 9:24am

18650 wrote:
Aug 09 2018 9:08am
Hi trooper5707,
maybe the same issue as described in this post?
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=91035&p=1382410&hi ... t#p1382410

Yes, that sounds quite likely. I am a typical oversized American, 215lbs (but working on it!) - so I prob was bottomed out on the suspension and did the exact same thing that happened to me. I'll make sure to check loaded when I replace the derailer.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Richard N » Aug 10 2018 1:49am

Ivanovitch_k wrote:
Aug 09 2018 9:23am
weak shipping packages & transit damages were reported since the first bikes deliveries on this thread...

@frey, use stronger carboard boxes !
Maybe add a spacer between the dropouts too, if there isn't one used already.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by powerline220 » Aug 10 2018 6:02am

icehunter wrote:
May 18 2018 6:32am
For GPS GSM tracking, this seems perfect, just stick it to the frame and connect to battery
Input Voltage:9-80V
Item Size:about 9*5.2*2cm
Actually how the tracking itself is done, I have no idea.....

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hi - i just ordered my AM1000 but would be interested where you have placed your tracker that its sort of secure?
thank you in advance

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Marmalade » Aug 10 2018 7:03am

.. a mini review.. have only spent a few days and approx 100km riding it, so a grain or two of salt may apply :lol:

Essentially this is my first owned e-mtb but I have used friends (lower powered) bikes on the trails so I have something to base judgment upon.

First off, this bike wins no weight contests! I weighed it (with the 21ah batt) at a tad over 31kg. My neighbours specialised levo is around 24kg, so the 1000 at standstill feels quite the tank in comparison.

However, given the dollops of power on hand the incredible mass of the bike becomes a bit of a distant memory. It pulls and does so with aplomb in most gears. Most euro and US bikes are limited to 25kph (without hacks) but the 1000 quickly exceeds these speeds and there is a real adrenaline rush when doing so. Pedal assist is generally smooth, but definitely not up to the refinement of the current commercial offerings, it feels like it's either on or it's off. The bosch and shimano drives seem to have a proportional curve that feeds power on far more gracefully. The drive is also incredibly noisy in comparison and there's no fooling bystanders or other bikers that you are not riding under your own steam...

Efficiency... unless you are lazy, the bike can PAS comfortably on eco1-3 all day long. My bike travelled nearly 25km's on varied hilly road at an avg of 17kph and used only 10% battery. However I'm only 65kg so that played a big part no doubt. Sport mode is well,just what is says... tons of power applied quickly and aggressively. And it shows by chewing through the battery. Great for getting from A-B as fast as possible regardless of what stands between, and perfect for showing (scaring) friends who have never experienced an e-bike before..and even some that have.

Having owned an FS Kona for many years, the 1000 seems to handle quite well on the track, although its a bit 'crashy' underfoot and less predictable because of the weight. More experience needed in riding trails with this but I don't think it would keep up with some of the brand name e-mtb offerings because of the higher CG due to the big battery and heavier frame overall. But given the loads of power available this inconvenience can easily be forgiven and it's genuinely far more fun on the less technical parts of a track, blasting past a 8k levo on a straight bit of dirt is absolutely grin inducing :) But certainly won't win any prizes on the tight twisty bits, and largish jumps seem to be a little like wrestling a bear in zero gravity, this is a lot of bike to try and straighten if things go a bit skewiff.

It's also a great bike just for cruising,and even my partner who is not an avid rider loved the stability and effortlessness at covering distances quickly. She was initially terrified but quickly got the hang of it, so much so she left me behind on my normal bike quite a few times :oops:

Overall, I think this bike for the price is a fairly good compromise. I certainly wouldn't pay for (or be able to afford) an electric specialised, trek or giant at the moment. So, the AM-1000 fills this gap quite nicely. Yes, it's a bit crude and crass and will most likely upset the 250-350W snooty brigade on the trails with it's noise, speed and industrial looking engineering. But so far it's been the best fun I've had on 2 wheels in over 30 years of riding.

Well done Frey.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Aug 10 2018 7:16am

nice review, thanks !

These drives all have the infamous bafang symptoms i.e shitty programming and undergreased from the factory, so:

> The PAS behaviour can be made to feel more natural by tweaking the settings with a progr cable (see first few pages of the topic for settings)

> gear noise can be reduced quite a bit by packing in more moly grease (no Nylon gear to worry in here so moly is OK)
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by trooper5707 » Aug 10 2018 2:59pm

trooper5707 wrote:
Aug 09 2018 9:24am
18650 wrote:
Aug 09 2018 9:08am
Hi trooper5707,
maybe the same issue as described in this post?
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=91035&p=1382410&hi ... t#p1382410

Yes, that sounds quite likely. I am a typical oversized American, 215lbs (but working on it!) - so I prob was bottomed out on the suspension and did the exact same thing that happened to me. I'll make sure to check loaded when I replace the derailer.
Ivy assured me they check the chain length, and that could not possibly have caused the derailer lockup.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by dalysea » Aug 10 2018 4:56pm

Hi all,

I have some sad news to report. My weight plus the hills of San Francisco finally proved to be too much for the Bafang motor. The display powers on, the battery is full, but neither the throttle nor the pedal assist are getting any power from the motor.

I'll be shipping the motor to a Bafang support person in Las Vegas to see what the specific cause of death was, and let you all know in case it is helpful information.

I want to say that this is not Frey's fault and I still think Bafang is the best motor to use. I don't know yet what happened to it, but in Bafang's defense, I've attached a photo from the top of the hill that defeated it. This is one of the Twin Peaks, the highest points in the city of San Francisco.

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Cheers,
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Ivanovitch_k » Aug 10 2018 5:58pm

dalysea wrote:
Aug 10 2018 4:56pm
I have some sad news to report. My weight plus the hills of San Francisco finally proved to be too much for the Bafang motor. The display powers on, the battery is full, but neither the throttle nor the pedal assist are getting any power from the motor.
damn, two Ultras gone in this thread already :(

Hope frey or bafang gets you a new one asap...

The display did not give any error code ? Looking forward to the cause of death anyways.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by dalysea » Aug 12 2018 10:57am

Ivanovitch_k wrote:
Aug 10 2018 5:58pm
dalysea wrote:
Aug 10 2018 4:56pm
I have some sad news to report. My weight plus the hills of San Francisco finally proved to be too much for the Bafang motor. The display powers on, the battery is full, but neither the throttle nor the pedal assist are getting any power from the motor.
damn, two Ultras gone in this thread already :(

Hope frey or bafang gets you a new one asap...

The display did not give any error code ? Looking forward to the cause of death anyways.
The error code was 04, which I've seen listed as either "Throttle not homing/throttle not returning to zero state" or "Battery overvoltage"

This was the 2nd time that I'd used the G510.500 motor with a 52 volt battery. Joe Zhang from Bafang says the G510.500 is not intended to be used with a 52 volt battery, but he said this right after I mentioned that, so I'm not convinced. The specs on the G510.500 are not on Bafang's website, and he explained that's because they only sell them to customers who ask for them. He said he can upgrade it to a G510.1000, but the controller was already showing 48V when connected with a programming cable, so I'm pretty sure these motors were already upgraded. What I actually wanted was to trade it in for an actual G510.1000 with the orange cover, labeled G510.1000, etc. not just a controller upgrade, which I think is what he's offering.

Anyway, I tried swapping out the throttle or not having any throttle connected at all in case that was the issue. Neither helped.

Thanks,
Sean

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