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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by fechter » Nov 06 2018 7:42pm

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Nov 06 2018 5:41pm

I'm pretty sure that if you ride the Sur-Ron on any public streets in the US you will still need "moped" insurance (and possibly plates depending on the state), and a motorcycle endorsement in some states.
Correct.

In California, you only need a regular driver's license, plates and insurance. My insurance was $79/year.
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Nov 06 2018 8:15pm

skeetab5780 wrote:
Nov 06 2018 2:20pm
Im not sure i can relate to the homolgation costing more since that does not really matter here in the states. Fetcher and other members are street commuting with the regular sur-ron with very few mods(lights blinkers and mirrors) you dont even need a license plate holder because mopeds just get a sticker around here. With that being said maybe things are more strict on the other side of the world, but to make the vehicles price double? Now thats ridiculous

I guess you can blame tariffs too but where do you draw the line? For me its not ever buying one of these bikes. I just sit back and watch

And the Zero comparison is based strictly on price ofc. I myself shy away from the Zero because you need actual insurance and plates since its an actual motorcycle
the homolgated version has a world wide recognized VIN # often needed for DMV registration as well as street legal equipment and moped power limited (yet easily redistricted), a turn key street legal bike no mods or extra parts needed.. but without a VIN, (I) would need to apply for that, including vehicle inspection by state law enforcement and proof that the vehicle meets legal power restrictions (maybe easier said than done).. I look forward to luna selling the homolgated version as well for that option.. because I would be hesitant to spend $3K+ on a bike that may not be (easily) street legal in my state (I'm going through this process on my motoped builds)..
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Nov 06 2018 8:20pm

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 8:15pm
the homolgated version has a world wide recognized VIN # often needed for DMV registration as well as street legal equipment and moped power limited (yet easily redistricted), a turn key street legal bike no mods or extra parts needed.. but without a VIN, (I) would need to apply for that, including vehicle inspection by state law enforcement and proof that the vehicle meets legal power restrictions (maybe easier said than done).. I look forward to luna selling the homolgated version as well for that option.. because I would be hesitant to spend $3K+ on a bike that may not be (easily) street legal in my state (I'm going through this process on my motoped builds)..
I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but it is not correct, at least not when running at less than 30mph.

In California, the serial number stamped on the frame is accepted in lieu of a VIN for moped registration. In Idaho, it doesn't even need to be registered since it is considered a moped (they do not require pedals for the moped definition).

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Nov 06 2018 9:37pm

3DTOPO wrote:
Nov 06 2018 8:20pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 8:15pm
the homolgated version has a world wide recognized VIN # often needed for DMV registration as well as street legal equipment and moped power limited (yet easily redistricted), a turn key street legal bike no mods or extra parts needed.. but without a VIN, (I) would need to apply for that, including vehicle inspection by state law enforcement and proof that the vehicle meets legal power restrictions (maybe easier said than done).. I look forward to luna selling the homolgated version as well for that option.. because I would be hesitant to spend $3K+ on a bike that may not be (easily) street legal in my state (I'm going through this process on my motoped builds)..
I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but it is not correct, at least not when running at less than 30mph.

In California, the serial number stamped on the frame is accepted in lieu of a VIN for moped registration. In Idaho, it doesn't even need to be registered since it is considered a moped (they do not require pedals for the moped definition).
which part do you contest and on what basis?? I'm referring to my state moped requirements not CA or Idaho..
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Nov 06 2018 9:40pm

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 9:37pm
3DTOPO wrote:
Nov 06 2018 8:20pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 8:15pm
the homolgated version has a world wide recognized VIN # often needed for DMV registration as well as street legal equipment and moped power limited (yet easily redistricted), a turn key street legal bike no mods or extra parts needed.. but without a VIN, (I) would need to apply for that, including vehicle inspection by state law enforcement and proof that the vehicle meets legal power restrictions (maybe easier said than done).. I look forward to luna selling the homolgated version as well for that option.. because I would be hesitant to spend $3K+ on a bike that may not be (easily) street legal in my state (I'm going through this process on my motoped builds)..
I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but it is not correct, at least not when running at less than 30mph.

In California, the serial number stamped on the frame is accepted in lieu of a VIN for moped registration. In Idaho, it doesn't even need to be registered since it is considered a moped (they do not require pedals for the moped definition).
which part do you contest and on what basis?? I'm referring to my state moped requirements not CA or Idaho..
You didn't specify a state, just said that a VIN was required which made it sound like a VIN was needed everywhere in the US. What state are you referring to?

Anyhow, sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Nov 06 2018 10:46pm

3DTOPO wrote:
Nov 06 2018 9:40pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 9:37pm
3DTOPO wrote:
Nov 06 2018 8:20pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 8:15pm
the homolgated version has a world wide recognized VIN # often needed for DMV registration as well as street legal equipment and moped power limited (yet easily redistricted), a turn key street legal bike no mods or extra parts needed.. but without a VIN, (I) would need to apply for that, including vehicle inspection by state law enforcement and proof that the vehicle meets legal power restrictions (maybe easier said than done).. I look forward to luna selling the homolgated version as well for that option.. because I would be hesitant to spend $3K+ on a bike that may not be (easily) street legal in my state (I'm going through this process on my motoped builds)..
I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but it is not correct, at least not when running at less than 30mph.

In California, the serial number stamped on the frame is accepted in lieu of a VIN for moped registration. In Idaho, it doesn't even need to be registered since it is considered a moped (they do not require pedals for the moped definition).
which part do you contest and on what basis?? I'm referring to my state moped requirements not CA or Idaho..
You didn't specify a state, just said that a VIN was required which made it sound like a VIN was needed everywhere in the US. What state are you referring to?

Anyhow, sorry for the misunderstanding.
you may need reading glasses, because I wrote "often needed" not required;) .. CA has very lax moped laws (double the horsepower allowed by most other states).. in my state Sur-Ron is a motorcycle not a moped (unless homolgated as such like LB L1e ) .. also many ppl on the fb owners group have had difficulties registering surron, even ppl in CA being denied registration or asked for proof of compliance..
some ride & sk8 videos:
metacafe.com/channels/NATAS666DAMIEN
http://www.youtube.com/natas666damien
i have nothing for sale.. :)

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Nov 06 2018 11:00pm

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 10:46pm
you may need reading glasses, because I wrote "often needed" not required;) .. CA has very lax moped laws (double the horsepower allowed by most other states).. in my state Sur-Ron is a motorcycle not a moped (unless homolgated as such like LB L1e ) .. also many ppl on the fb owners group have had difficulties registering surron, even ppl in CA being denied registration or asked for proof of compliance..
Had you written a bit more clearly, like: "In the state where I live the DMV requires a VIN", I would not have misunderstood. :wink:

What state do you live in?

Curious that people have been able to register them in CA, and some people haven't. Makes me think some people aren't filling out the form properly or are not using the correct form?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Nov 06 2018 11:51pm

3DTOPO wrote:
Nov 06 2018 11:00pm
efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Nov 06 2018 10:46pm
you may need reading glasses, because I wrote "often needed" not required;) .. CA has very lax moped laws (double the horsepower allowed by most other states).. in my state Sur-Ron is a motorcycle not a moped (unless homolgated as such like LB L1e ) .. also many ppl on the fb owners group have had difficulties registering surron, even ppl in CA being denied registration or asked for proof of compliance..
Had you written a bit more clearly, like: "In the state where I live the DMV requires a VIN", I would not have misunderstood. :wink:

What state do you live in?

Curious that people have been able to register them in CA, and some people haven't. Makes me think some people aren't filling out the form properly or are not using the correct form?
VIN number just makes registration easier and more likely to be approved, in many states.. ppl were following the example of those that were already approved but not getting the same results, having to contest the denial and resubmit .. also those approved maybe stretching the truth a bit on their application, since the stock bike has a bit more power and speed capability than technically compliant (45mph, 6hp)..
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http://www.youtube.com/natas666damien
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Nov 07 2018 1:16am

It looks like the homologated version comes with a nifty odometer. It adds battery meter (would be awesome because then I could put a saddle bag on top of the battery). It also looks like it allows the gear ratio to be adjusted?

Can one of you dealers order this so I can buy one?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Nov 07 2018 1:28am

I got a price for the X Model from Alibaba. It is $2,850 FOB.

From China to Portland is about $280. I would then be responsible for import duties/tariffs and delivery from Portland to where I live.

So if we assume $500 for tariffs that would be $3,630 plus shipping from Portland to here which would be at least $200 I would guess.

So that puts it right at the same cost Luna sells the regular version. But since the X Model is only $150 more than the standard version - I think that it shows that Luna is offering a fair price on it, and really hard to beat (especially because they are in stock). Transit time is estimated 32 days to port.

It would cost slightly less considering Luna's $3,850 tag doesn't include shipping and it would be the X Model, so good to know that (1) we can even order the X Model in the US, and (2) it can be had for a bit less than ordering through Luna.

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Post by ziltoid81 » Nov 07 2018 1:42am

I will definitely wait with a potential purchase.
There are too many unknown updates on the bikes, even the vendors i contacted really dont know what theyre getting delivered, i had the feeling i know more than them.
Also it looks like this exclusive vendor discussion was fake, it looks more like that also little vendors import them, at least here in germany.
Good for us.

The new display looks great........

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Post by StuRat » Nov 07 2018 2:15am

I have heard good n bad things about luna. But if you want the surron to survive I'd support them, and buy directly from them. Pay the bit extra. You've got support on home soil.

Let's all stop falling down the cheapest wishing well, it's counter productive.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by 3DTOPO » Nov 07 2018 2:22am

StuRat wrote:
Nov 07 2018 2:15am
I have heard good n bad things about luna. But if you want the surron to survive I'd support them, and buy directly from them. Pay the bit extra. You've got support on home soil.

Let's all stop falling down the cheapest wishing well, it's counter productive.
I haven't fallen down the cheapest wishing well. Several people on here have suggested that Luna is ripping people off. By finding out what they cost to get direct, I think my post disproves that. Also, some people don't want to order anything but the X Model. The fact that you can order it now, is not a bad thing.

Luna has let me down every chance they've had to make me happy - other than I love the bike I ordered from them, and I still stick up for them.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by StuRat » Nov 07 2018 2:41am

Yeah fair call, sorry, I want a surron, just sayin as a planet we should focus on not redesigning the wheel.

Losing luna as the US distribution will hurt the US market. A new US distributor won't bring prices down.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by Allex » Nov 07 2018 4:15am

Here are pictures of our EU version
camphoto_33463914_Fotor.jpg
camphoto_684387517_Fotor.jpg
camphoto_341603450_Fotor.jpg
EU version display, you can see the voltage so always a plus.
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A bit bulky but big is good during winter season
IMG_5289_Fotor.jpg
Fork lockout
IMG_5290_Fotor.jpg
Different brake levers
IMG_5291_Fotor.jpg
Why cant this be standard on all MTB fork? Easy to mount a fender on those 3 screws!
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Motard rear tyre is quite wider than stock off road, looks good!
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by StuRat » Nov 07 2018 4:22am

I really want one

Is there any word on registration in australia yet?

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Post by ziltoid81 » Nov 07 2018 5:44am

I dont know why, but i really like this "thing" at the rear wheel.
Also leaves more space for a potential battery extension under the seat.

Is the controller on this ones square or sine?

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Post by Allex » Nov 07 2018 5:46am

It is square.

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Post by ziltoid81 » Nov 07 2018 5:55am

Ok like they sell them here in germany, also the new display.

Alex do you sell the wheel set for street use?

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Post by Allex » Nov 07 2018 6:22am

Yup, 365Eur for a set.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by macribs » Nov 07 2018 7:03am

3DTOPO wrote:
Nov 06 2018 5:46pm
bionicon wrote:
Nov 06 2018 1:40pm
Maybe buy it direct here :https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 3e5ffpA61j
Interesting, thanks for the link. They have the X Model listed here:
https://jiesute.en.alibaba.com/product/ ... 2e79Dgzyzc

I am going to inquire how much it is delivered to the US.
Be aware of alibaba. If Alibaba didn't recently change their policies alibaba does not provide any help if you are scammed. Certain products does have a tendencies to show up only on Alibaba, if that platform makes it easier for scammers that would make sense.

If you shop on ebay and things goes wrong ebay will help you and if they can't they will refund. Not so with alibaba. Or at least it has been that way. If I am wrong and they have changed their ways let me know.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by macribs » Nov 07 2018 7:15am

3DTOPO wrote:
Nov 07 2018 1:28am
I got a price for the X Model from Alibaba. It is $2,850 FOB.

From China to Portland is about $280. I would then be responsible for import duties/tariffs and delivery from Portland to where I live.

So if we assume $500 for tariffs that would be $3,630 plus shipping from Portland to here which would be at least $200 I would guess.

So that puts it right at the same cost Luna sells the regular version. But since the X Model is only $150 more than the standard version - I think that it shows that Luna is offering a fair price on it, and really hard to beat (especially because they are in stock). Transit time is estimated 32 days to port.

It would cost slightly less considering Luna's $3,850 tag doesn't include shipping and it would be the X Model, so good to know that (1) we can even order the X Model in the US, and (2) it can be had for a bit less than ordering through Luna.
But why? You get the x-controller and might save 1-200 $. But what do you do if there is a warranty issue? I tell you, you are out of luck and the initial savings are gone out the window. Best case you are able to contact seller and the seller admits to being responsible for replacement. So you ship out you damaged part out of pocket, and get your new part which you also need to pay shipment for. Worst case, seller ignores you or tell you to fcuk off. Then what?

For that amount of money I would say it makes sense to support you local dealer. Luna can only keep their Sur Ron deal if the sell enough to make money. If every other potential buyer will do their own side import, well in that case you might soon be without a US dealer. People buying this bike likely will use it for what, at least 5-6 years. It will be great for you guys to be able to source parts locally, from a shop that keep inventory. Rather then risk 6 weeks delivery from China.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by madin88 » Nov 07 2018 8:40am

Does the X-model have the same battery?
Because i tought i have read somewhere that it is better.

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Post by ziltoid81 » Nov 07 2018 8:59am

I guess theyre claiming more range due to sine wave controller and bms improvement.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

Post by fechter » Nov 07 2018 9:17am

The new model looks great! I want one of those front fenders.

Does it have a real VIN?
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